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I admire Anthropic for sticking to their principles, even if it affects the bottom line. That’s the kind of company you want to work for.
by lukewrites 7mo ago
I admire Anthropic for sticking to their principles, even if it affects the bottom line. That’s the kind of company you want to work for.
- cal_dent 7mo agoThe team that handles their PR has done an amazing job in the last 9 months
- noosphr 7mo ago[flagged]
- dimensi0nal 7mo agoThe admin is clearly running out of steam yet you expect them to be able to get what they want next week after failing this week?
- noosphr 7mo agoIve been hearing this since 2016. Any day now.
- NewsaHackO 7mo agoIt's funny, because even if they walk it back, they still would come out ahead in PR versus if they just rolled over. Because at that point, it would look like a hostage victim reading a statement that they are being treated well by their captors in front of a camera.
- ctoth 7mo agoDo you think that bad things happening is just hilarious in general? Do you like to see good behavior punished? I'm really trying to understand what you get out of making this comment. Also what happens when ... This doesn't happen? You just polluted the epistemic commons a bit more with some cynical bullshit sans consequence? Enough. I think it's time to start calling this garbage out when I see it.
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- cal_dent 7mo agoTwo things can be true at the same time. It can notionally be a “good” decision and also a straightforward act of Anthropic continuing their PR that they’re some sort of benevolent entity despite continuing to pursue a typical corporate capitalistic structure. It is what it is. The game is the game. But I’m not going to sit there and pretend their virtues are as pure of snow. I’m sorry that’s upset you.
- ctoth 7mo agoHint: It's much easier to have good PR by being actually good. Though it does make people like this do the whole implication thing.
- kouteiheika 7mo agoAh, right, by being actually good, as in - being okay with mass surveillance as long as it isn't being done in the US, being okay with Claude assisting in killing people as long as it isn't fully autonomous, and being actively hostile to open-weight LLMs and open research on LLMs? This kind of "good"? No, OP is right, their PR department is doing a great job.
- unethical_ban 7mo agoCorrect. Protect our citizens' rights, as we are the ones under the jurisdiction of our government. Yes, design competitive weapons systems that can stand up to the threats that adversary powers are creating, but do so while maintaining human control. That kind of good.
- zinodaur 7mo agoIt’s nice that Americans are being so open about how they feel about other countries these days.
- overfeed 7mo ago"these days"? Too many countries/HNers are only just figuring out it's not fun being at the sharp-end of imperialism.
- unethical_ban 7mo agoWhat part are you bothered about? The concept of nations?
- zinodaur 7mo ago
- ternwer 7mo agoWhy? What has their PR department done? Most people are quite critical of a lot of their messaging, it's their actions that seem worth encouraging
- mikepurvis 7mo agoIt's also a very clear differentiator for them relative to Google, Facebook, and OpenAI, all of whom are clearly varying degrees of willing to sell themselves out for evil purposes.
- disiplus 7mo agoIt will also cost openai dearly if they don't communicate clearly, because I for one will internally push to switch from openai (we are on azure actually) to anthropic. Besides that my private account also.
- gritspants 7mo agoYou can deploy Opus and Sonnet on Azure.
- madeofpalk 7mo agoThis will not cost OpenAI anything.
- OhioMan2943 7mo agoThanks for being the voice of cynical inaction.
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- RivieraKid 7mo agoIs making effective weapons evil?
- Avamander 7mo agoYes?
- etrautmann 7mo agoThat’s a simplistic framing (obviously)
- gigatexal 7mo agoExactly.
- bostik 7mo ago[flagged]
- skeeter2020 7mo agowhy does it need to be a completely different, trained model? AWS doesn't provide unique technologies in their goverment cloud, beyond isolation and firewalled access; Anthropic can do the same thing. Probably need to cough up enough to register a new domain name!
- bostik 7mo agoI can think of two reasons. One, to have the plausible deniability with the necessary future statement "Claude is not used by the DoD/DoW to conduct domestic mass surveillance or autonomous killing"; by having the model be properly a different from the one used by the public, they can wrangle over the language with technicalities and still avoid outright lying. (With their IPO in sight, let's keep in mind that everything is securities fraud.) And two, I suspect that some of the guardrails have been "baked in" to Anthropic's model. Much in the same way as the Chinese open-weight models have a strong bias against expressing positive sentiments about Tiananmen Square, Tank Man or Winnie the Pooh, the "Standard Claude" would likely have the fundamental product biases trained into it. Taken together it would therefore be both politically and financially sensible for Anthropic to create a separate, unrestricted[tm] almost-Claude for the morally unconstrained military / intelligence purposes.
- sco1 7mo agoThere is already genai.mil: https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4354916/ https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4354916/
- jacobsenscott 7mo agoIf you're a billionaire there's no risk to "sticking to principles", so there's nothing to admire. Also that's not what they're doing. These are calculated moves in a negotiation and the trump regime only has 3 years left. Even a CEO can think 4 years ahead. It's probably in Anthropic's interest to throw grok to these clowns and watch them fail to build anything with it for 3 years.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 7mo agoConsidering how many bootlicking billionaires I see these days, it is still a bit surprising.
- merlindru 7mo agoi disagree. 3 years is an insanely long time in the AI space. The entire industry pretty much didn't even exist three years ago! Or at least not within 4 orders of magnitude. Also, every other company has bent the knee and kissed the ring. And the trump admin will absolutely do everything they can to not appear weak and harm Anthropic. If it was so easy to act principled, don't you think other companies would've refused too? Eg Apple And there is real harm here. You're reading about it - they get labeled a supply chain risk. This is negative and very tangible
- lavezzi 7mo ago> 83 people in total killed in US attack to abduct President Nicolas Maduro Blood is on their hands already
- xpe 7mo agoSo much left unsaid. So much implied. Let’s make it explicit and talk about it. Here are some follow questions that reasonable people will ask: What was Anthropic’s role in the Maduro operation? (Or we can call it state-sponsored kidnapping.) Who knew what and when? Did A\ find itself in a position where it contradicted its core principles? More broadly, how does moral culpability work in complex situations like this? How much moral culpability gets attributed to a helicopter manufacturer used in the Maduro operation? (Assuming one was; you can see my meaning I hope.) P.S. Traditional programming is easy in comparison to morality.
- QuiEgo 7mo agoCompanies change (remember "don't be evil"?) but yeah for the Anthropic of today, respect.
- torben-friis 7mo agoThis whole saga is extremely depressing and dystopic. Anthropic is holding firm on incredibly weak red lines. No mass surveillance for Americans, ok for everyone else, and ok to automatic war machines, just not fully unmanned until they can guarantee a certain quality. This should be a laughably spineless position. But under this administration it is taken as an affront to the president and results in the government lashing out.
- aryonoco 7mo agoWe live in a timeline where you don’t have to have strong morals to be crushed. If you have any morals, you will be crushed.
- UncleOxidant 7mo agoI'm signing up for their $200/year plan to reward them for standing up to this regime.
- zamalek 7mo agoThey have earned my business, for now.