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The Sinophobic culture at Anthropic is worrying. Say what you will about authoritarianism, but China’s non-imperialist foreign policy means their economy is les

The Sinophobic culture at Anthropic is worrying. Say what you will about authoritarianism, but China’s non-imperialist foreign policy means their economy is less reliant on a military-industrial complex. All they have to do is continue to pump out exponentially more solar panels and the petrodollar will fall, possibly taking our reserve currency status with it. The U.S. seems more likely to start a hot war in the name of “democracy” as it fails to gracefully metabolize the end of its geopolitical dominance, and Dario’s rhetoric pushes us further in that direction.

hackyhacky 7mo ago
> China’s non-imperialist foreign policy Really? Is China non-imperialist regarding Taiwan and Tibet?
- jmyeet 7mo ago
  Taiwan is a matter of perspective. From the Chinese perspective, there was a civil war and the KMT lost. That's also the official position of the US, the EU and most countries in the world. It's called the One China policy. And China seems happy to maintain the status quo and leave the situation unresolved. Is it really imperialism to say that ultimately there will be reunification? Even if you accept Tibet as imperialist, which is debatable, it was in 1950. You want to compare that to US imperialism, particularly since WW2 [1]? And I say "debatable" here because Tibet had a system that is charitably called "serfdom" where 90% of people couldn't own land but they did have some rights. However, they were the property of their lords and could be gifted or traded, you know, like property. There's another word for that: slavery. It is 100% factually accurate to say that the People's Republica of China is not imperialist. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
chipgap98 7mo ago
In what world does China have a non-imperialist foreign policy?
- hrn_frs 7mo ago
  Historically speaking, he's right. China has never had an expansionist foreign policy.
  - mobilefriendly 7mo ago
    Tibet, the Philippines, and Taiwan would like to have a word, not to mention Chinese military action in support of its North Korea puppet state, and wars with Vietnam and India.
  - sinuhe69 7mo ago
    Are you serious? Don't you know how many wars did China wage? It tried to assimilate Vietnam for 1000 years. The last large scale war against Vietnam was just 1979. In fact, China had started war with all its neighbors, with no exception.
    - MiSeRyDeee 7mo ago
      Do me a favor and name one single country didn't have war with any of its neighbor.
  - dpedu 7mo ago
    Nine-dash line?
- MiSeRyDeee 7mo ago
  In what world does China have a imperialist foreign policy?
  - cthalupa 7mo ago
    The one we live in, where they have control over a wide swathe of land mass through imperialism and have actively resisted relinquishing it? The one we live in, where they are constantly surpassing international law in international waters in the South China Sea? The one we live in, where they are constantly rattling sabers at South Korea and Japan when it comes to military expansion? The one we live in, where they brutally cracked down on Hong Kong when they did not abide by the 50 year one country two systems deal, not even making it half of the way through the agreed period? The one we live in, where there is constant threat to Taiwan? It may have been a lazy post you're responding to, but anyone that is paying attention to this topic enough to talk about it is going to either say 'Of course China is imperialist, the same as every other global power' or take some sort of tankie approach to justify it.
soundworlds 7mo ago
100% agree. Any AI org that is that tied to a single nation's interest can only be detrimental in the long run. I know "open-source" AI has its own risks, but with e.g. DeepSeek, people in all countries benefit. Americans benefit from it equally.
nutjob2 7mo ago
> China’s non-imperialist foreign policy This is the China that is not only threatening to invade Taiwan but doing live fire exercises around the island and threatening and attempting to coerce Japan for suggesting saying it will go to its defense. Your comment is ridiculous. It reads like satire.
- cwillu 7mo ago
  It wasn't that long ago that Taiwan claimed to be the legitimate government of China; given that China still maintains the reverse claim, it's not outrageous that it would consider an outside country's defense to be interference in an internal matter. Whether or not that claim is legitimate, it is consistent with the concept of china having a non-imperialist foreign policy, and claims regarding that need to look elsewhere for supporting evidence.
  - nutjob2 7mo ago
    While that rhetoric makes sense in the context of the history and politics of China and Taiwan, they have been independently governed nations for quite a while and have very different political systems, their own armies, etc. They are de-facto separate nations if nothing else. I also note China's aggressive and violent colonization and expansive claims of the South China Sea. Taking any nation/land/sea by force is imperialist, by definition.
  - 8note 7mo ago
    that claim is really about not resuming a war. taiwan saying otherwise would immediately trigger an attack from the PRC. its still imperialism that china is dominating a neighbor to require it ro state a certain position, especially when its very far from the defacto reality on the ground, that taiwan is clearly separate
- jmyeet 7mo ago
  Your comment reads like propaganda. You know who else considers Taiwan to be part of the People's Republic of China? The US, the EU and in fact most countries in the world. It's called the One China policy. There are I believe 12 countries that have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. The position of the PRC is that Taiwan will ultimately be reunified. That doesn't necessarily mean by military force. It doesn't even necessarily mean soon. The PRC famously takes a very long term view. And those islands you mention are in the South China Sea.
cthalupa 7mo ago
Look. I think the Chinese AI companies are doing a lot of good. I'm glad they exist. I'm glad they're relatively advanced. I don't think the entire nation of China is a bunch of villains. I don't think the US, even before the current era, is a bunch of do-gooders. But China has some of the most imperialist policies in the world. They are just as imperialist as Russia or America. Military contracts are still massive business. I also believe the petrodollar will fall, but it isn't going to be because China built exponentially more solar panels.
- teyopi 7mo ago
  > But China has some of the most imperialist policies in the world. Citation needed? US and allies have invaded or intervened in 20+ countries in last 20 years in the name of "western values" where values means $$$$ and hegemony. Educate me please with a comparison of what China has done to be "some of the most imperialist policies"?
  - sinuhe69 7mo ago
    Maybe it's time to learn some facts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_Wars
  - cthalupa 7mo ago
    Tibet Hong Kong / Macau Taiwan Everything constantly in the South China Sea Belt and Roads is effectively the Marshall Plan but even bigger - Africa being the major example, but also Eastern Europe, parts of the middle east, etc. Over 100 countries. This exact playbook is what sets up the infrastructure and reasons for military intervention at a later date - protecting your investments.
  - ninjagoo 7mo ago
    > Educate me please with a comparison of what China has done to be "some of the most imperialist policies"? Tibet occupation. Taiwan encirclement and ongoing military exercises. Strong-arming African and Asian countries that made the mistake of signing up for belt & road. Tianenmen Square. Illegal Foreign Police Stations. Uyghurs/Xinjiang genocide and concentration camps. Repeated invasion and occupation of Indian territory in North East and North West. The Great Firewall of China - occupation and suppression of its own populations. Ongoing Han settlement of Tibet, Xinjiang and other ethnic regions. Violent destruction of Hong Kong democracy (that was condition of handover). Spratly Islands occupation. Attacks on Filipino shipping and coast guard. Ongoing attacks on Japan's Senkaku Islands.
xeckr 7mo ago
I think the part about China is just about projecting alignment with the USG in hopes that this will result in Anthropic being treated more favourably by the current administration.
8note 7mo ago
the treatment of Tibet and Xinjiang are entirely Han imperialism and colonisation. the one china policy is imperialism

hackyhacky 7mo ago

> China’s non-imperialist foreign policy Really? Is China non-imperialist regarding Taiwan and Tibet?

jmyeet 7mo ago
Taiwan is a matter of perspective. From the Chinese perspective, there was a civil war and the KMT lost. That's also the official position of the US, the EU and most countries in the world. It's called the One China policy. And China seems happy to maintain the status quo and leave the situation unresolved. Is it really imperialism to say that ultimately there will be reunification? Even if you accept Tibet as imperialist, which is debatable, it was in 1950. You want to compare that to US imperialism, particularly since WW2 [1]? And I say "debatable" here because Tibet had a system that is charitably called "serfdom" where 90% of people couldn't own land but they did have some rights. However, they were the property of their lords and could be gifted or traded, you know, like property. There's another word for that: slavery. It is 100% factually accurate to say that the People's Republica of China is not imperialist. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

chipgap98 7mo ago

In what world does China have a non-imperialist foreign policy?

hrn_frs 7mo ago
Historically speaking, he's right. China has never had an expansionist foreign policy.
- mobilefriendly 7mo ago
  Tibet, the Philippines, and Taiwan would like to have a word, not to mention Chinese military action in support of its North Korea puppet state, and wars with Vietnam and India.
- sinuhe69 7mo ago
  Are you serious? Don't you know how many wars did China wage? It tried to assimilate Vietnam for 1000 years. The last large scale war against Vietnam was just 1979. In fact, China had started war with all its neighbors, with no exception.
  - MiSeRyDeee 7mo ago
    Do me a favor and name one single country didn't have war with any of its neighbor.
- dpedu 7mo ago
  Nine-dash line?
MiSeRyDeee 7mo ago
In what world does China have a imperialist foreign policy?
- cthalupa 7mo ago
  The one we live in, where they have control over a wide swathe of land mass through imperialism and have actively resisted relinquishing it? The one we live in, where they are constantly surpassing international law in international waters in the South China Sea? The one we live in, where they are constantly rattling sabers at South Korea and Japan when it comes to military expansion? The one we live in, where they brutally cracked down on Hong Kong when they did not abide by the 50 year one country two systems deal, not even making it half of the way through the agreed period? The one we live in, where there is constant threat to Taiwan? It may have been a lazy post you're responding to, but anyone that is paying attention to this topic enough to talk about it is going to either say 'Of course China is imperialist, the same as every other global power' or take some sort of tankie approach to justify it.

soundworlds 7mo ago

100% agree. Any AI org that is that tied to a single nation's interest can only be detrimental in the long run. I know "open-source" AI has its own risks, but with e.g. DeepSeek, people in all countries benefit. Americans benefit from it equally.

nutjob2 7mo ago

> China’s non-imperialist foreign policy This is the China that is not only threatening to invade Taiwan but doing live fire exercises around the island and threatening and attempting to coerce Japan for suggesting saying it will go to its defense. Your comment is ridiculous. It reads like satire.

cwillu 7mo ago
It wasn't that long ago that Taiwan claimed to be the legitimate government of China; given that China still maintains the reverse claim, it's not outrageous that it would consider an outside country's defense to be interference in an internal matter. Whether or not that claim is legitimate, it is consistent with the concept of china having a non-imperialist foreign policy, and claims regarding that need to look elsewhere for supporting evidence.
- nutjob2 7mo ago
  While that rhetoric makes sense in the context of the history and politics of China and Taiwan, they have been independently governed nations for quite a while and have very different political systems, their own armies, etc. They are de-facto separate nations if nothing else. I also note China's aggressive and violent colonization and expansive claims of the South China Sea. Taking any nation/land/sea by force is imperialist, by definition.
- 8note 7mo ago
  that claim is really about not resuming a war. taiwan saying otherwise would immediately trigger an attack from the PRC. its still imperialism that china is dominating a neighbor to require it ro state a certain position, especially when its very far from the defacto reality on the ground, that taiwan is clearly separate
jmyeet 7mo ago
Your comment reads like propaganda. You know who else considers Taiwan to be part of the People's Republic of China? The US, the EU and in fact most countries in the world. It's called the One China policy. There are I believe 12 countries that have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. The position of the PRC is that Taiwan will ultimately be reunified. That doesn't necessarily mean by military force. It doesn't even necessarily mean soon. The PRC famously takes a very long term view. And those islands you mention are in the South China Sea.

cthalupa 7mo ago

Look. I think the Chinese AI companies are doing a lot of good. I'm glad they exist. I'm glad they're relatively advanced. I don't think the entire nation of China is a bunch of villains. I don't think the US, even before the current era, is a bunch of do-gooders. But China has some of the most imperialist policies in the world. They are just as imperialist as Russia or America. Military contracts are still massive business. I also believe the petrodollar will fall, but it isn't going to be because China built exponentially more solar panels.

teyopi 7mo ago
> But China has some of the most imperialist policies in the world. Citation needed? US and allies have invaded or intervened in 20+ countries in last 20 years in the name of "western values" where values means $$$$ and hegemony. Educate me please with a comparison of what China has done to be "some of the most imperialist policies"?
- sinuhe69 7mo ago
  Maybe it's time to learn some facts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_Wars
- cthalupa 7mo ago
  Tibet Hong Kong / Macau Taiwan Everything constantly in the South China Sea Belt and Roads is effectively the Marshall Plan but even bigger - Africa being the major example, but also Eastern Europe, parts of the middle east, etc. Over 100 countries. This exact playbook is what sets up the infrastructure and reasons for military intervention at a later date - protecting your investments.
- ninjagoo 7mo ago
  > Educate me please with a comparison of what China has done to be "some of the most imperialist policies"? Tibet occupation. Taiwan encirclement and ongoing military exercises. Strong-arming African and Asian countries that made the mistake of signing up for belt & road. Tianenmen Square. Illegal Foreign Police Stations. Uyghurs/Xinjiang genocide and concentration camps. Repeated invasion and occupation of Indian territory in North East and North West. The Great Firewall of China - occupation and suppression of its own populations. Ongoing Han settlement of Tibet, Xinjiang and other ethnic regions. Violent destruction of Hong Kong democracy (that was condition of handover). Spratly Islands occupation. Attacks on Filipino shipping and coast guard. Ongoing attacks on Japan's Senkaku Islands.

xeckr 7mo ago

I think the part about China is just about projecting alignment with the USG in hopes that this will result in Anthropic being treated more favourably by the current administration.

8note 7mo ago

the treatment of Tibet and Xinjiang are entirely Han imperialism and colonisation. the one china policy is imperialism