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I won't give in to doomerism. Germany, Italy and Japan are all wealthy, stable democracies right now. Not without their problems and baggage, but pleasant plac
by davidw 8mo ago
I won't give in to doomerism.
Germany, Italy and Japan are all wealthy, stable democracies right now. Not without their problems and baggage, but pleasant places in a lot of ways.
- inigyou 8mo ago[flagged]
- lovich 8mo ago> Germany is still extremely weird about anything to do with Jews > I've never been to Italy but they don't seem very productive either. Ok green poster. You need to look up more about world economies if you are going to confidently say things like Italy isn’t that productive. Combined with your comment on Jews in Germany I just assume you’re here to push propaganda, but if not please read up more on Italian economic output compared to, I don’t know, maybe the G7 countries?
- popalchemist 8mo agoJapan's economics are mostly rooted in population issues. Have you ever been? Even though wages are stagnant, the people are among the healthiest in the world and they're known for the way their society's public services ACTUALLY work. Not sure about Italy, but Germany, while not without its problems, is a beacon of democracy, progressivism, and self-correction.
- micromacrofoot 8mo agoThey got bombed to shit first
- davidw 8mo agoIt'd be nice to avoid that part.
- Fischgericht 8mo agoThen it won't work. The current iteration of Germany is fully based on having been bombed to get a fresh start. If you already have something, you won't change it. If you have to re-build, you will implement improvements. No bombs, no reset, no joy.
- davidw 8mo agoI am less confident about my predictions for an uncertain future. There's all kinds of ways different things could go. I didn't say we needed to follow their example to the letter; it was just one counterexample to the "woe and ruin for 100 years" comment.
- Fischgericht 8mo agoYes, but it is actually scientifically correct and proven on all sorts of layers. Biology, Maths, whatever. Not doomsdaying, just data analytics. Societies are not operating like a sinus curve like say summer/winter cycles. They are upside-down "U"s. After the peak comes decline, but after the decline there is NOT recovery/growth again before you have a reset. Germany was the huge winner of WW2 in the sense that after having had a high society they directly were allowed to get another such run. But as nobody wants to bomb us ) anymore, Germany is also in decline now waiting for a reset to come one day... Sadly the USA will also need a reset before things can begin getting better again. ) I was born in Germany and lived there for 40 years.
- RGamma 8mo agoReferences to scientific proofs?
- scottyah 8mo agoOk what about the Netherlands, Spain, Nordic countries?
- Fischgericht 8mo ago
- mobilefriendly 8mo agoAll three have active US military bases on their soil and enjoy the economic surplus of living under the US defense umbrella.
- davidw 8mo agoThe post WWII system was imperfect in many ways, but it was also mutually beneficial and worked out pretty well despite the problems. And we're throwing that all out the window. US military bases aren't what made those countries modern, prosperous, democratic places. It took the will of the people to rebuild something better after the war.
- bonsai_spool 8mo agoBritain essentially ceded its bases to the US at the end of WWII - these things aren’t as durable as they may seem.
- Quarrelsome 8mo agothat's cos WW1 financially broke Britain, then WW2 happened.
- 4gotunameagain 8mo agoAll that economic surplus - and much more - flows back to the US. How do you think the US can sustain that amount of USD printing without inflation ? The rest of the world is buying those dollars.
- matwood 8mo agoYou seem to imply the US reaps no benefit from providing security?
- Quarrelsome 8mo agodon't make it out like its a favour. The US have done very well out of their defense umbrella ensuring its global dominance for most of last century. Most powers have to pay in blood to do what they want geo politically without question. The US inherited a global state where many potential rivals were weak and helped keep them weak. It was a cost worth paying and its a shame that current US leaders are so cheap and foolhardy to not see what they're throwing away.
- remarkEon 8mo agoGermany: functionally paralyzed government that has the far right knocking at the door because the fractured coalition of left-centerleft-centerright continues to refuse to do what voters ask for. Italy: Nominally center-right government, similar problems as Germany, less the energy issues Japan: just elected a landslide right wing government that is going to change the constitution so they can build an offensive military again Curious.
- poly2it 8mo agoI don't perceive those problems to be inherent to the territories or peoples of the countries. All have had potential to change and have done so extensively since the Second World War. There isn't a universal explanation or root behind the issues these countries are facing today, unless you are willing to abstract it to just "economics".