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I'd hold off making that call on Anthropic here until at least after Friday. I'm not sure if persisting that "constructive dialogue is taking place in good fait

by pamcake 8mo ago

I'd hold off making that call on Anthropic here until at least after Friday. I'm not sure if persisting that "constructive dialogue is taking place in good faith" and saying nothing else in public signifies backbone considering preceding and consecutive public statements by government officials... It certainly doesn't instil confidence in honesty or transparency.

bpodgursky 8mo ago
I mean they got threatened with the Defense Production Act. Firmly standing their ground without an inch of give may backfire spectacularly too, if the DoD injects itself into model training. I think they pretty clearly demonstrated good faith and where it ends up is a tactical choice I'm not in a great position to judge.
- tehjoker 8mo ago
  If DoD seizes the IP, the issue is they will need the cooperation of their scientists at least in the short term, if they want it to remain a fronter model. The labor angle isn't entirely guaranteed though the white collar worker has very little spine in this country.
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > DoD seizes the IP Almost certainly not on the table. If Hegseth did this he’d crash the market. That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity.
    - hackyhacky 8mo ago
      > That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity. We've been saying this about many policies of this administration, only to be sorely disappointed.
      - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
        > We've been saying this about many policies of this administration, only to be sorely disappointed I'm not saying it's off the table completely, particularly with Hegseth, who is an insecure idiot. But the choices once it's enacted are (a) Trump ordering Hegseth to stop fucking around or (b) a market crash handing Democrats full control of Congress.
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    - petersellers 8mo ago
      > That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity. So you're saying it's highly likely then?
    - SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
      Like when seizing 10% of Intel crashed the market? This isn't exactly the same situation, but I really don't think it's safe to assume that this will be the issue on which the business community will grow a spine.
      - tehjoker 8mo ago
        You might be surprised. When Harry Truman tried to nationalize US steel, it created massive pushback (bad for democracy imo, but the business community defends its interests to the teeth—though the circumstance is he wanted to advance the korean war, which was in the business community's interests). https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/truman-orders-seizure-steel-plants https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/truman-orders-se...
      - j45 8mo ago
        Nationalizing predicate companies is often seen as a step towards centralization.
    - UncleOxidant 8mo ago
      > That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity. Do not underestimate Hegseth's stupidity. He's completely unqualified for the job he has and is way out of his depth. Ditto for many others in this administration.
- we_have_options 8mo ago
  yeah, but the question I'd be asking myself is, Hey, so what you are saying is that unless we use the AI that we control, to take control of the mass surveillance and autonomous drone strike systems, you will force us to take control of these systems? I mean, did H just Open Clawed the entire US military?
torginus 8mo ago
What happens on Friday?
- TheDong 8mo ago
  Friday is the deadline that the secretary of defense, Hegseth, gave Anthropic for complying with the "allow the military version of claude to do mass surveillance and autonomous killing" order.
  - wahnfrieden 8mo ago
    Secretary of war
  - j45 8mo ago
    I suspect when given contradictory options maybe there’s a their or fourth option. Move to the moon!
- lukan 8mo ago
  The deadline given to them by Hegseth runs out. "Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has threatened Anthropic, saying officials could invoke powers that would allow the government to force the artificial intelligence firm to share its novel technology in the name of national security if it does not agree by Friday to terms favorable to the military" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/24/pentago https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/24/pentago... https://archive.is/ln5M0 https://archive.is/ln5M0
  - torginus 8mo ago
    Isn't this entirely theather? I'm sure Musk's XAI would have no qualms about working with the Department That Used To Be Called Department Of Defense. Hell, there's a significant sharing of people between them and SpaceX, meaning the company's full of people with security clearances working on defense contracts. Anthropic also seems to have dropped their safety pledge in a matter that I'm sure is completely unrelated.

by pamcake 8mo ago

bpodgursky 8mo ago

I mean they got threatened with the Defense Production Act. Firmly standing their ground without an inch of give may backfire spectacularly too, if the DoD injects itself into model training. I think they pretty clearly demonstrated good faith and where it ends up is a tactical choice I'm not in a great position to judge.

tehjoker 8mo ago
If DoD seizes the IP, the issue is they will need the cooperation of their scientists at least in the short term, if they want it to remain a fronter model. The labor angle isn't entirely guaranteed though the white collar worker has very little spine in this country.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > DoD seizes the IP Almost certainly not on the table. If Hegseth did this he’d crash the market. That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity.
  - hackyhacky 8mo ago
    > That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity. We've been saying this about many policies of this administration, only to be sorely disappointed.
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > We've been saying this about many policies of this administration, only to be sorely disappointed I'm not saying it's off the table completely, particularly with Hegseth, who is an insecure idiot. But the choices once it's enacted are (a) Trump ordering Hegseth to stop fucking around or (b) a market crash handing Democrats full control of Congress.
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  - petersellers 8mo ago
    > That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity. So you're saying it's highly likely then?
  - SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
    Like when seizing 10% of Intel crashed the market? This isn't exactly the same situation, but I really don't think it's safe to assume that this will be the issue on which the business community will grow a spine.
    - tehjoker 8mo ago
      You might be surprised. When Harry Truman tried to nationalize US steel, it created massive pushback (bad for democracy imo, but the business community defends its interests to the teeth—though the circumstance is he wanted to advance the korean war, which was in the business community's interests). https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/truman-orders-seizure-steel-plants https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/truman-orders-se...
    - j45 8mo ago
      Nationalizing predicate companies is often seen as a step towards centralization.
  - UncleOxidant 8mo ago
    > That’s a red line he will only cross out of stupidity. Do not underestimate Hegseth's stupidity. He's completely unqualified for the job he has and is way out of his depth. Ditto for many others in this administration.
we_have_options 8mo ago
yeah, but the question I'd be asking myself is, Hey, so what you are saying is that unless we use the AI that we control, to take control of the mass surveillance and autonomous drone strike systems, you will force us to take control of these systems? I mean, did H just Open Clawed the entire US military?

torginus 8mo ago

What happens on Friday?

TheDong 8mo ago
Friday is the deadline that the secretary of defense, Hegseth, gave Anthropic for complying with the "allow the military version of claude to do mass surveillance and autonomous killing" order.
- wahnfrieden 8mo ago
  Secretary of war
- j45 8mo ago
  I suspect when given contradictory options maybe there’s a their or fourth option. Move to the moon!
lukan 8mo ago
The deadline given to them by Hegseth runs out. "Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has threatened Anthropic, saying officials could invoke powers that would allow the government to force the artificial intelligence firm to share its novel technology in the name of national security if it does not agree by Friday to terms favorable to the military" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/24/pentago https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/24/pentago... https://archive.is/ln5M0 https://archive.is/ln5M0
- torginus 8mo ago
  Isn't this entirely theather? I'm sure Musk's XAI would have no qualms about working with the Department That Used To Be Called Department Of Defense. Hell, there's a significant sharing of people between them and SpaceX, meaning the company's full of people with security clearances working on defense contracts. Anthropic also seems to have dropped their safety pledge in a matter that I'm sure is completely unrelated.