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Anthropic announces proof of distillation at scale by MiniMax, DeepSeek,Moonshot
- falcor84 8mo agoInteresting, and my main take away is that ~16 million sessions is enough to distill Claude. That's extremely doable - obviously, as it's been done repeatedly - but it just looks very feasible in general. If I think of the number of lessons and educational conversations that a human would have to acquire their lifetime knowledge, I would hazard to say that AI-to-AI learning no longer requires many orders of magnitude beyond that.
- Imustaskforhelp 8mo agoI wonder if more companies from different countries would get interested into Distillation efforts. Because a huge downside of Chinese-models is that these are chinese models with tianmen square and tibet and other issues. Yet everyone uses them because they thought that it was insanely hard to build and obviously I am not trying to downplay that even now its an incredible accomplishment that they achieve by created such good open source models and providing them at competitive rates. Now that we know it might be (more?) easier than previously thought. Would more countries, say South Korea, Japan or India want to enter the market as well without much bias on certain topics which are raised about Chinese censorship everytime a new model is discussed at times. It's a huge risk/rewards ratio thing. From what I can tell, inference is extremely profitable (Deepseek was profitable at inference fwiw) so perhaps, more countries could try to create their own "Deepseek" where they would focus on having a brand value + open-source/selling for entreprise. Mistral is a good example of that especially with their entreprise related contracts. Speaking of mistral, are they doing distillation too or not
- impulser_ 8mo agoWhy would anyone care about this at all? MiniMax, DeepSeek, and Moonshot are all releasing models for the public to use for free. Anthropic, OpenAI, Google ect have been scraping information to train their models that they had no right in scraping yet when these company pay them to scrap data we are suppose to be worried? Labs like Anthropic always preach we are trying to build AI for everyone while releasing expensive models that are closed source. The only reason AI is affordable at all is because of these Chinese AI labs.
- NitpickLawyer 8mo ago> Why would anyone care about this at all? Anthropic have been the loudest in pushing for regulatory capture, often citing "muh security" as FUD. People should care what they write on this topic, because they're not writing for us, they're writing for "the regulators". Member when the usgov placed a dude in solitary confinement because they thought he could launch nukes with a whistle? Yeah... Let's hope they don't do some cray cray stuff with open LLMs. Anthropic make amazing coding models, kudos for that. But they should be mocked for any communication like the one linked. Boo-hoo. Deal with it, or don't, I don't care. No one will feel for you. What goes around, comes around. Etc.
- bigyabai 8mo agoAdministratively, Anthropic seems to misunderstand politics. You don't get to wear the "people's champion" and "government sweetheart" hats at the same time, when push comes to shove you'll be forced to pick a lane. We saw it with Microsoft, we saw it with Apple and Google, and now we're seeing it with OpenAI too. You can't drive down both paths at the same time. As a member of the target audience for Claude, their messaging just leaves me confused. Are you a renegade success, or do you need the government's help? Are you a populist juggernaut, or do you hide from competition? OpenAI, for all their myriad issues, understood this from the start and stuck to the blithely profitable federal ass-kisser route.
- lumost 8mo agoAlso - how can this be prevented? the AI labs can't seriously expect that each lab will filter LLM generated content from their training sets based on the source model. Leakage of AI behavior into public datasets is inevitable.
- LZ_Khan 8mo agoIf you care about improvement of models, you would support the US labs here. It costs hundreds of millions of dollars to train a frontier model. It's not just "scraping the web." Distillation allows labs to replicate these results at 1/100th of the cost. This creates a prisoner's dilenmma which incentivizes labs to withhold their models from the public.
- throwfaraway4 8mo agoCompany that rips-off creators to build their product complains other companies are doing the same to them.
- burnt-resistor 8mo agoNot morally or ethically equivalent, but developed nations regularly denounce developing nations for "stealing" IP and talent as they once did. The commonality is the hypocrisy of the pot castigating the kettle.
- cs702 8mo agoIt's been known for a long while that model outputs = data for training another model to copy the original model's behavior, also known as distillation. What I didn't know is that the three groups mentioned "created over 24,000 fraudulent accounts and generated over 16 million exchanges with Claude, extracting its capabilities to train and improve their own models." There's some irony in that, given that Anthropic and all other established AI shops have been criticized for using copyrighted materials without permission to train their own models. I wouldn't be shocked if we subsequently find out tat every major AI shop has secretly engaged in distillation at some point in the past. Still, wow, 24,000 accounts. I can't help but wonder, how many other AI shops have surreptitious accounts with other AI shops right now?
- taytus 8mo agoThis reads like AI slop.
- lumost 8mo agoAlso makes you wonder how much of the user growth could just be distillation attempts from one model vendor to another.
- cs702 8mo agoYeah, those 24K accounts are likely high-volume. 16M "exchanges" / 24K accounts = 667 "exchanges" per account. How many tokens per "exchange"? I imagine a lot, because these accounts were likely maxing out on context.
- lejalv 8mo agoSo they did pay to distill a piratic model. More than can be said from Anthropic et al.’s leeching of a substantial proportion of human culture
- joquarky 8mo agoThe real cultural leeches are the corporations that kept extending copyright terms to the point that a kid can never create derivative works of their favorite show.
- rsynnott 8mo agoOh, now we care about IP, do we?
- m_ke 8mo agowe should probe anthropic for what accounts they made to access third party data, or which proxies they use to circumvent scraping blockers
- aquir 8mo agoNot nice but the frontier labs "distilled the whole internet" using the common crawl.
- Sol- 8mo agoWhich is a more transformative and creative act than just copying their outputs.
- Alifatisk 8mo agoWhat’s transformative about pirating books?
- hermanzegerman 8mo agoIt being done by a big tech company. That makes it a totally different thing /s
- hermanzegerman 8mo agoWho cares? In the end it's thieves who stole others work complaining about their work being stolen from them. No one will feel sorry for them
- logicprog 8mo agoJust reading the headline, I say good. A) These models are trained by ignoring IP. It is hypocritical and absurd to then try to assert IP over them. And I am for the destruction of IP on all ends. B) What this essentially means is that the Chinese labs are taking the work of these mega corporations into making it freely accessible to other labs and businesses, to serve inference, fine tune, and host privately on prem. That's clearly a good thing for competition in the market as a whole. C) I don't see why we should have to duplicate the massive energy and infrastructure investment of building foundation models over and over forever just because we want to preserve the IP rights of a few companies. That seems a shame and it seems better to me for everything to learn from everything else for the whole ecosystem to get better by topping each other and building off each other; that's also why publishing research into the architecture and training of these models is so much better than what the proprietary labs do (keeping everything a secret), although tbf Anthropic's interpretability research is cool. D) these Chinese models give 90% of the performance of frontier proprietary models at a 10th or 20th of the cost. That seems like a win for everyone. Not to mention the fact that this distilling also allows them to make much smaller local models that everyone can run. This is a win for actual democratization, decentralization, and accessibility for the little guy.
- spudlyo 8mo ago> And I am for the destruction of IP on all ends. While I'm not unsympathetic to the plight of creatives, and their need to eat, I feel like the pendulum has swung so far to the interests of the copyright holders and away from the needs of the public that the bargain is no longer one I support. To the extent that AI is helping to expose the absurdity of this system, I'm all for it. I don't think "burn it all down" is the answer, but I'd love to see the pendulum swing back our way.
- paxys 8mo agoBecause copyright laws rarely serve small independent creatives, but rather corporations like Disney that are in the business of hoarding and monetizing culture.
- gregman1 8mo agoDo we need to re-announce proof of dirty practices by Anthropic?
- int32_64 8mo agoThe company that claims all knowledge workers are going to be wiped out by their technology is asking these future disenfranchised workers to care about the Chinese ripping off their tech. That seems like a hard no.
- oncallthrow 8mo agoLive by the sword, die by the sword
- gostsamo 8mo ago"You are trying to kidnap what I have rightfully stolen, and I think it quite ungentlemanly."
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- paxys 8mo agoIt's crazy for their official account to post this when Anthropic itself is fighting multiple high-profile lawsuits over its unauthorized use of proprietary content to train its models. Did no one run this by legal?
- notatoad 8mo agoi don't see them making any claim that unauthorized use of their proprietary content is illegal. i read this more as a claim to protect their brand and valuation. They just want us all to know that we shouldn't be too impressed by deepseek, because deepseek is training off claude. also, i think this blog post should be read in the context of anthropic execs meeting with Pete Hegseth today - this isn't legal, it's political, they're playing up the national security aspects here for some political benefit.
- paxys 8mo ago> industrial-scale distillation attacks > fraudulent accounts These are not terms used to describe regular users of your software. This tweet is 100% going to show up in court (whether in the current crop of cases or future ones) as an example of Anthropic accepting that copyright infringement and unauthorized use hurts their business as an IP holder.
- ndiddy 8mo agoYeah the blog post isn't saying distillation is illegal, it's saying that it should be illegal: > These [distillation] campaigns are growing in intensity and sophistication. The window to act is narrow, and the threat extends beyond any single company or region. Addressing it will require rapid, coordinated action among industry players, policymakers, and the global AI community. > Illicitly distilled models lack necessary safeguards, creating significant national security risks. Anthropic and other US companies build systems that prevent state and non-state actors from using AI to, for example, develop bioweapons or carry out malicious cyber activities. Models built through illicit distillation are unlikely to retain those safeguards, meaning that dangerous capabilities can proliferate with many protections stripped out entirely. > Anthropic has consistently supported export controls to help maintain America’s lead in AI. Distillation attacks undermine those controls by allowing foreign labs, including those subject to the control of the Chinese Communist Party, to close the competitive advantage that export controls are designed to preserve through other means.
- xanthor 8mo agoIronic phrasing used here. China is the only country that actually has the capacity to deeply integrate AI into industrial manufacturing in a way that will reduce costs of goods. They already have lights-off autonomous factories without AI.
- iagorodriguez 8mo agoI was not emotionally prepared for this level of humor today, its Monday, please!
- osiris970 8mo agoIt's not illegal, just agaisnt their TOS. Your job to deal with that anthropic lol
- tedd4u 8mo agoHow many readers of this site spend some percentage of their time/brainpower/money to combat excessive scraping. Absolutely falls on deaf ears to hear them then complain about scraping. Sorry guys, nobody cares. This is the world you created, deal with it just like everyone else.
- stefan_ 8mo agoAnthropic, of course, ran an industrial-scale distillation attack on the combined works of human mankind. So, uh.. kindly go fuck yourself? Who asked?
- ChrisArchitect 8mo agoSome more discussion on source: https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-distillation-attacks https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47126177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47126177)
- zb3 8mo ago> But foreign labs that illicitly distill American models can remove safeguards I hope so, I don't need their "safeguards".
- karmasimida 8mo agoUnless they stop selling APIs to the public this can’t be stopped. Mind you that nuclear weapons are able to be regulated not because the tech itself is secret, it is because the refining is nation state effort, that is impossible to go unnoticed. Realistically, the more tokens they are selling, the harder they can control it
- eagleinparadise 8mo agoworld's smallest violin meme
- lousken 8mo agoGood, if you don't release open weights, someone else does.
- veselin 8mo agoI think they put two things: * Likely they will seek regulation that would ban some models. Not sure this can work, but they will certainly try. * Likely they will not release some of their next models in the API.
- 999900000999 8mo agoI called this out a few days ago. They'll come up with some excuses to get the Chinese models banned. Of course this will only work in the US. Every American tech company will have to pay 10 to 20x for tokens.
- Imustaskforhelp 8mo agoHow can Chinese models get banned if American providers can still host it? Is there even any law which can tell people about it?
- 999900000999 8mo agohttps://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-lawmakers-introduce-bill-bar-chinese-ai-us-government-agencies-2025-06-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-lawmakers-introduce-b... https://cyberscoop.com/deepseek-ban-congress-cassidy-rosen-contractors/ https://cyberscoop.com/deepseek-ban-congress-cassidy-rosen-c... If your company has any government contracts you might not be able to use Chinese models under these bills.
- Imustaskforhelp 8mo agoDamn but I guess I can still understand it but can there be a blanket ban of Chinese model themselves period or the idea being that you can't use Chinese models for american citizens or similar under the US constitution. This is a big deal of itself and thanks for sharing but I feel like that the above idea of blanket banning chinese models is defintiely something that American AI companies want and with their lobbying efforts and many other things, I think that its up to genuine debate if this would be reality or not.
- kgeist 8mo agoWere those 16 mln sessions used only for alignment, chat format, reasoning, etc.? Or it's possible to train a base model too? If a single session is at least 32k tokens, then it's already 0.5 trillion tokens to train on, interesting.
- bakugo 8mo agoAnthropic leadership once again showing off a remarkable level of immaturity. Of course they don't want anyone else to use the precious outputs from the model they created by scraping data from the millions of fleshbag programmers they're now trying to put out of a job. They're just another corporation with the standard goal of making as much money as possible with little regard for anything else, so that much is expected. But to actually write up a public announcement like this, loudly and proudly announcing to the world that they're crying at the daycare because their precious toy has been stolen by some kid, even though everyone around them knows they themselves originally stole that toy from another kid too, takes a special kind of corporate shamelessness that seems to be becoming more prevalent by the day.
- ks2048 8mo agoI wonder how much American labs do the same.
- hermanzegerman 8mo agoIf they would sue we could find out in Discovery. Which is probably why they don't sue, and cry publicly for political action
- sidgarimella 8mo agowould sure be nice if the effort spent fighting their karma was pointed at a better frontier model
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- armcat 8mo agoThis is such an insane rabbit hole. AI labs distill weights from the entirety of the internet knowledge, (mostly) without anyone's consent, which (technically) amounts to theft. However the chinchilla law dictates you need to expend X amount of energy to make this knowledge useful. Then the data law dictates that you need to shift the weights to a more useful latent space by paying maths, coding and domain experts lots of money. So you have "stolen" the data, but then paid billions to make it useful. And useful it is! Then another lab comes, and "steals" from you - that beautiful, refined dataoil - by distilling your weights using inferior equipment but with a toolbox of ingenuity and low-level hacking tricks. They reach 90% of your performance at 20x cost reduction. What happens when another lab distills from the distilled lab? Who is the thief? How far will the Alice go?
- roborovskis 8mo agoWhat would you define as 'distillation' versus 'learning'? How do you know that what a LLM is doing is 'distillation' vs a process closer to a human reading a book? From my perspective, pretraining is pretty clearly not 'distilling', as the goal is not to replicate the pretraining data but to generalize. But what these companies are doing is clearly 'distilling' in that they want their models to exactly emulate Claude's behavior.
- armcat 8mo agoThat's a soft distinction (distilling vs learning). If I read a chapter in a text book I am distilling the knowledge from that chapter into my own latent space - one would hope I learn something. Flipping it the other way, you could say that model from Lab Y is ALSO learning the model from Lab X. Not just "distilling". Hence my original comment - how deep does this go?
- EnPissant 8mo agoAnd yet nearly every machine learning engineer would disagree with you, which is a given away that your argument is rooted in ideology.
- iamsaitam 8mo agoAt least they paid you for it.. unlike you
- MiSeRyDeee 8mo agoKudos to them then, for doing such a good job at distillation. Only 16 million chats(shared by multiple labs/models) needed for distillation for getting mostly on par performance at 1/10th - 1/50th cost, keep up keeping up!
- ralph84 8mo agoHuman knowledge belongs to humanity. Of course the people who want to paywall it and extract rent will try to concoct some ethical basis for their rent seeking. Anthropic appears to be choosing the xenophobic route.
- EnPissant 8mo agoI don’t think China will see it that way if they take the lead. So, why help them?
- ncb9094 8mo agoThey wont take a lead becuase the ai companies have a lot more data for continual learning for their RL systems to work. I would not be untrusting of the chinese. They are way ahead of us in fusion technology and they regularly keep sharing that knowledge with us
- StarterPro 8mo ago> Distillation is a widely used and legitimate training method. Oh ok, so you can steal from everyone, but when they do it to you, its bad.
- mudkipdev 8mo agoDon't throw stones from glass houses. Ask Anthropic about the proxies they use for scraping. They're well-versed on the topic
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- devnonymous 8mo ago> These labs created over 24,000 fraudulent accounts and generated over 16 million exchanges with Claude What exactly makes these accounts ^fraudulent^ ...did they not pay Anthropic for the service ?
- maxglute 8mo ago~650 messages per account? that seems either very little or too much. Surprised there isn't a coordinated distillation service with 5x accounts to spread the load.
- devnonymous 8mo ago24K is presumably the number that got caught. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that there indeed are (/ were over time), 5x accounts that managed to bypass the checks anthropic had.
- UlisesAC4 8mo agoAntropic has too much to explain if their advantage can be closed with just black box distillation. And if it is being white version they have way worse things to take care.
- akmarinov 8mo agoSo what? Should I announce that Anthropic has been trained on copyrighted material they stole?
- Zufriedenheit 8mo agoThe companies scraping the whole internet without caring for anyone’s tos and illegally torrenting every single book ever written are now complaining about the output of their models being used for training. That is very ironic.
- burnt-resistor 8mo agoTechnofeudalism implies rules apply to the 99% rapidly declining into the precariat but not to the plutocrats.
- Imustaskforhelp 8mo agoEdit: For what its worth, I don't really care about anthropic being scraped because they scrape and torrent illegally every book without any compensation and so many other things that they can't really use this moral card or any moral response at this point for the most part. Their scraping that directly leads to effectively some servers effectively getting Ddosed and so many other things. Also actually, we all sort of knew this but its interesting to see Anthropic call out such companies in public. I think that for providing models at 1/20th the cost and open sourcing it while sometimes being much more leaner is an overall win for most part for the general public whose data was questionably stolen by Anthropic and it seems that some court cases about these are still happening. One of the more curious things I want to say is that Qwen and GLM 5 (Z.ai) are not in this. Personally I love Kimi the most and maybe we will see in the future from more AI tech companies like chatgpt/google too if they have any proof of distillations as well. But the fact that Z.ai isn't distilling makes me wonder what and how they are doing it. Qwen models although nice are not the best at the moment so I especially wonder what Z.ai model training does and where they get their training data. I still love Kimi and I would probably use Kimi but I am interested to know more about the training sources of Z.ai Also another point but given that Kimi and Qwen are quite tightly linked (Kimi aka moonshotAI is backed by Alibaba aka Qwen) [https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/19/alibaba-backed-startup-moonshot-ai-alibabi-backed-startup-chinese-ai-ipo.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/19/alibaba-backed-startup-moons...] And qwen not being in here. Why didn't Qwen also share the data. Or could there be a fact where Kimi/moonshot trained on anthropic and also shared the data with Qwen/Alibaba too but the name of Qwen wasn't available in public ofc? I can definitely see that being a possibility given that Kimi/Moonshot uses servers hosted on alibaba. Interestingly for Z.ai I found a quick fact about them from Wikipedia: In May 2024, the Saudi Arabian finance firm Prosperity7 Ventures, LLC participated in a USD $400 million financing round for Zhipu AI with a valuation of approximately 3 billion USD. I want to know if z.ai does any large scale web scraping? Where does z.ai get from what I see 15T–28.5T tokens. I saw this comment from an article: Pre-training: On a 23T token dataset curated from diverse sources, with emphasis on high-quality data through techniques like SemDeDup and quality-tiered up-sampling. I think I am interested in this rabbit-hole because if Anthropic has caught them. This will definitely impact the companies in future if Anthropic models get better and they might have to figure out the training data issue which Z.ai might've solved? I am still extremely suspicious of Z.ai but perhaps someone who has the tech reach on twitter or any other platform (maybe simonw?) could ask them. I think Z.ai guys are really open people especially within the research community yet I don't think I remember hearing about them intensively scraping as well while we consistently see posts about how American or even Chinese (Baidu most notoriously iirc) who basically DDOS a server/git-server etc. What are the Z.ai team doing that they don't distill Anthropic, they don't create intensive scraping problems at the same time while still getting good quality data? Does seem to be too good to be true unless I am missing something which I think might be. So if anyone has the expertise, I would love to know more.
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- catsquirrel28 8mo agoMy guess is they're setting up a narrative to claim this whole AI bubble wasn't a giant grift and they would've been profitable if it weren't for those dang Chinese people distilling their models and giving them out for free.
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- Alifatisk 8mo agoReading the comment section in this thread gave me a good laugh, no one is buying into this. If anything, it’s thanks to these Chinese labs that I’m able to have something like glm-5 for 7$ quarterly or kimi k2.5 for 2$ month, while getting results close to Claude. I am grateful. Looking forward to the new Deepseek model. But one thing that makes me curious is how, lets say, Deepseek is doing this. Are they paying cheap workers to buy subscriptions and chat to gather data? Have they purchased lots of api keys and using automated scripts to feed Claude data and collect the output? How are they doing this?
- ddxv 8mo agoAnthropic has never released an open weight model.
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- hermanzegerman 8mo agoPeople would care if Anthropic didn't build their moat on stolen IP and work from others
- hereme888 8mo agoName 1 multi-billion $ company that didn't cheat, steal, manipulate...etc, to get to where they're at. Doesn't mean I want to let the Chinese steal American IP, as if those Chinese companies were righteous.
- hermanzegerman 8mo agoWell at least the Chinese companies share their results with the World freely. And I couldn't care less about the Nationality of the IP
- hereme888 8mo agoAmerican and European citizens care about the ongoing massive theft, hacking, and coercion by the CCP and Chinese companies.
- hermanzegerman 8mo agoThey don't when it comes to AI, also given the behaviour of Big Tech Companies about undermining local European policy by leveraging Trump into intimidating them, I don't really care about US Tech Companies wellbeing.
- bicepjai 8mo agoI hope Anthropic understands the irony. Also I have to say, some of these memes are phenomenal. https://x.com/saquib0509/status/2026085877219549305?s=46 https://x.com/saquib0509/status/2026085877219549305?s=46 https://x.com/fbsloxbt/status/2026028440759996432?s=46 https://x.com/fbsloxbt/status/2026028440759996432?s=46
- orbital-decay 8mo ago"Distillation attacks" Hilarious.
- Lockal 8mo ago[x] <s>Anthropic</s> Cursor built a broken browser from scratch by distilling and wrapping Webkit Lyrics: Whatever happened to... the boy that I once knew? [x] Anthropic built a broken C compiler from scratch by distilling GCC Lyrics: The boy who said he'd be true... [x] Anthropic was distilled Lyrics: Oh, no, oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no
- ReDeiPirati 8mo agoI think they are exposing how fragile and vulnerable in reality they are, and I wonder when it will happen that a group of highly motivated individuals will organize to create a truly community driven distilled models.
- amai 8mo agoThieves complaining about thieves.
- amai 8mo agoWhy does Anthropic not offer cheap distilled versions itself? I would like to run a Claude@home model.
- senko 8mo agoIf you ask nicely in Chinese, Sonnet 4.6 will happily tell you it's either ChatGPT or DeepSeek-V3 (depending on the exact phrase): https://x.com/senkorasic/status/2026321569459450210 https://x.com/senkorasic/status/2026321569459450210 No jailbreak or funny business needed. Whatever your stance on how copyright should apply to AI and legality of training on copyrighted materials or distillation, it's clear Anthropic has no moral high ground here: * either distillation and training are fair game, in which case it shouldn't complain * or they're not, in which case it's involved in massive IP theft Complaining DeepSeek ripped you off, but then self-reporting as DeepSeek, is some major hypocrisy.
- orbital-decay 8mo agoRelying on self-reported names is a pretty bad idea. Name training is always shallow. Sonnet 3.6 used to call itself GPT-3 (not even 3.5) with some irrelevant distractors in the context, and they clearly didn't train it on GPT-3 outputs. It's just dataset contamination.
- senko 8mo agoExactly - there's a lot of cross-polination.
- titaniumrain 8mo agohttps://x.com/nichengzaxie233/status/2026506172476674475 https://x.com/nichengzaxie233/status/2026506172476674475
- culi 8mo ago1. So western models ignore all IP rights. Not just of corporations but of any small independent artist. They used the entire SciHub and LibGen library that regular people have had their lives completely ruined in order to build. They use this to train a proprietary AI model that they then sell to the military and other bad actors 2. Chinese makers find ways to make LLMs efficient enough to be run locally. They pay these western models in order to train their own models. Their resulting models are released for FREE and alongside very detailed papers that go in depth in their methodology and breakthroughs—benefiting everyone 3. Western corporations cry about it Yeah fuck off.