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Toyota sells bad EVs and was the last OEM to offer one. It’s the most anti-EV OEM by far and engages/engaged in the most EV FUD.

Spooky23 8mo ago
The bZ4X was particularly bad. Toyota adopted a combo of NIH syndrome and DNGAF. They didn’t anticipate cold weather. The batteries lost like 30% of their capacity in the cold and the resale value of it tanked.
- aaronbrethorst 8mo ago
  They’re also just phenomenally ugly cars.
  - dcrazy 8mo ago
    It shares the same ugly design language as much of Toyota’s lineup.
- magicalhippo 8mo ago
  > The batteries lost like 30% of their capacity in the cold Here in Norway Toyota was invited to include the bZ4X in this years winter range test[1], but they declined. Suzuki entered with their eVitara model, which is a "technological twin" of the Toyota Urban Cruiser. The Urban Cruiser really disappointed in a regular test performed in cold weather[2]. So perhaps unsurprisingly, the Suzuki eVitara was by far the worst in the winter range test, with the least range overall and more than 40% reduction compared to its WLTP range, among the worst in the test. [1]: https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/d4mMkA/verdens-stoerste-rekkeviddetest-gjennomfoert-disse-gjorde-det-best-i-sprengkulda https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/d4mMkA/verdens-stoerste-r... [2]: https://www.tek.no/test/i/OkQAwE/toyota-urban-cruiser https://www.tek.no/test/i/OkQAwE/toyota-urban-cruiser
some-guy 8mo ago
I have only purchased Toyota vehicles (currently in the market for an EV) and it baffles me that Dodge created a Charger in EV form and Toyota hasn’t made even an EV Corolla or Camry.
- breve 8mo ago
  That's essentially the bZ3. But a Corolla branded BEV will eventually happen: https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/toyotas-best-selling-car-electric/ https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/toyotas-best-selling-car-elec...
- lostlogin 8mo ago
  An electric Corolla or Camry is my ultimate. I hate driving. I want an appliance that just works. The Corolla and Camry were this for petrol. I love my Leaf but it isn’t a Carolla. What’s with the turning circle on the Leaf?
- freetime2 8mo ago
  > it baffles me that Dodge created a Charger in EV form and Toyota hasn’t made even an EV Corolla or Camry Dodge's Charger EV has been a sales flop [1] and pretty much universally panned by critics as something that nobody asked for. The Camry and Corolla were the best-selling sedan and compact sedan of 2025 [2]. I think this shows that Toyota is listening to what Corolla and Camry drivers want - something inexpensive and reliable to get them to and from work every day without issue. Some day Toyota will make an EV sedan. I think their 2026 bZ Woodland [3] shows that they are starting to figure out how make compelling EVs. And Toyota's EV strategy seems pretty reasonable to me overall - their delays to develop a decent EV don't seem to put them under threat from any legacy automakers. They are being threatened by Chinese EV makers, but so is Tesla - so even a huge head start likely wouldn't have benefited Toyota much either in that regard. [1] https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a69927938/dodge-charger-daytona-2025-sales/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a69927938/dodge-charger-da... [2] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars-2025/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars... [3] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-electric-station-wagon-the-2026-toyota-bz-woodland/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-ele...
freetime2 8mo ago
> Toyota sells bad EVs The 2026 bZ Woodland [1] looks pretty nice in my opinion. [1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-electric-station-wagon-the-2026-toyota-bz-woodland/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-ele...
badc0ffee 8mo ago
And yet they had one of the first hybrids (although not a plug-in hybrid) in the Prius.
- seanmcdirmid 8mo ago
  Honda also was early in hybrids, but they like Toyota are also late on EVs.
  - formerly_proven 8mo ago
    The difference is probably philosophical. A (non-phev) hybrid is primarily an ICE car in every way. Building hybrids is building ICE cars with a little extra. Building EVs is different.
    - seanmcdirmid 8mo ago
      Honda and Toyota invested a lot in hybrid tech, they probably want to milk that investment more and the hydrogen distraction kept them from also investing in BEV tech. China was basically starting a car industry from scratch so didn’t have those sunk costs to worry about.

Spooky23 8mo ago

The bZ4X was particularly bad. Toyota adopted a combo of NIH syndrome and DNGAF. They didn’t anticipate cold weather. The batteries lost like 30% of their capacity in the cold and the resale value of it tanked.

aaronbrethorst 8mo ago
They’re also just phenomenally ugly cars.
- dcrazy 8mo ago
  It shares the same ugly design language as much of Toyota’s lineup.
magicalhippo 8mo ago
> The batteries lost like 30% of their capacity in the cold Here in Norway Toyota was invited to include the bZ4X in this years winter range test[1], but they declined. Suzuki entered with their eVitara model, which is a "technological twin" of the Toyota Urban Cruiser. The Urban Cruiser really disappointed in a regular test performed in cold weather[2]. So perhaps unsurprisingly, the Suzuki eVitara was by far the worst in the winter range test, with the least range overall and more than 40% reduction compared to its WLTP range, among the worst in the test. [1]: https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/d4mMkA/verdens-stoerste-rekkeviddetest-gjennomfoert-disse-gjorde-det-best-i-sprengkulda https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/d4mMkA/verdens-stoerste-r... [2]: https://www.tek.no/test/i/OkQAwE/toyota-urban-cruiser https://www.tek.no/test/i/OkQAwE/toyota-urban-cruiser

some-guy 8mo ago

I have only purchased Toyota vehicles (currently in the market for an EV) and it baffles me that Dodge created a Charger in EV form and Toyota hasn’t made even an EV Corolla or Camry.

breve 8mo ago
That's essentially the bZ3. But a Corolla branded BEV will eventually happen: https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/toyotas-best-selling-car-electric/ https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/toyotas-best-selling-car-elec...
lostlogin 8mo ago
An electric Corolla or Camry is my ultimate. I hate driving. I want an appliance that just works. The Corolla and Camry were this for petrol. I love my Leaf but it isn’t a Carolla. What’s with the turning circle on the Leaf?
freetime2 8mo ago
> it baffles me that Dodge created a Charger in EV form and Toyota hasn’t made even an EV Corolla or Camry Dodge's Charger EV has been a sales flop [1] and pretty much universally panned by critics as something that nobody asked for. The Camry and Corolla were the best-selling sedan and compact sedan of 2025 [2]. I think this shows that Toyota is listening to what Corolla and Camry drivers want - something inexpensive and reliable to get them to and from work every day without issue. Some day Toyota will make an EV sedan. I think their 2026 bZ Woodland [3] shows that they are starting to figure out how make compelling EVs. And Toyota's EV strategy seems pretty reasonable to me overall - their delays to develop a decent EV don't seem to put them under threat from any legacy automakers. They are being threatened by Chinese EV makers, but so is Tesla - so even a huge head start likely wouldn't have benefited Toyota much either in that regard. [1] https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a69927938/dodge-charger-daytona-2025-sales/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a69927938/dodge-charger-da... [2] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars-2025/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars... [3] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-electric-station-wagon-the-2026-toyota-bz-woodland/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-ele...

freetime2 8mo ago

> Toyota sells bad EVs The 2026 bZ Woodland [1] looks pretty nice in my opinion. [1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-electric-station-wagon-the-2026-toyota-bz-woodland/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-ele...

badc0ffee 8mo ago

And yet they had one of the first hybrids (although not a plug-in hybrid) in the Prius.

seanmcdirmid 8mo ago
Honda also was early in hybrids, but they like Toyota are also late on EVs.
- formerly_proven 8mo ago
  The difference is probably philosophical. A (non-phev) hybrid is primarily an ICE car in every way. Building hybrids is building ICE cars with a little extra. Building EVs is different.
  - seanmcdirmid 8mo ago
    Honda and Toyota invested a lot in hybrid tech, they probably want to milk that investment more and the hydrogen distraction kept them from also investing in BEV tech. China was basically starting a car industry from scratch so didn’t have those sunk costs to worry about.