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I only run software from Chinese companies inside a sandbox, either on my Android/iOS phone or inside a VM for desktop apps and only enable necessary permission

I only run software from Chinese companies inside a sandbox, either on my Android/iOS phone or inside a VM for desktop apps and only enable necessary permissions. Unfortunately Mainland tech giants have no sense of user privacy and would like to maximize their profit by collecting every single bit of your data because they don't profit on selling you the software, they profit on selling your data.

djtango 9mo ago
How do you sandbox on mobile? I can't say I love having various apps like wechat on my phone...
- nerdsniper 9mo ago
  Secure Folders on Samsung. Multiple user profiles on Pixels/AOSP.
- deleted 9mo ago
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- brendyn 9mo ago
  Separate grapheneos accounts for everything does that I believe
  - 8cvor6j844qw_d6 9mo ago
    I went with a separate non-critical phone when I had to communicate on WeChat.
    - _a9 9mo ago
      This is what I do too. If i need to use or test something i don't trust then I use an old phone. All of the phones use crDroid(1) and I have scripts to quickly wipe and reinstall the OS whenever I need a full nuke. (1) https://crdroid.net/ https://crdroid.net/
- charcircuit 9mo ago
  Every app is sandboxed by default.
- Crestwave 9mo ago
  I quite like Shelter [1]. Shelter apps are installed in a separate work profile, which essentially sandboxes it from the rest of your data. It also has a neat feature to automatically disable (freeze) specific apps and seamlessly re-enable them when you launch them through Shelter. [1] https://github.com/achalmgucker/Shelter https://github.com/achalmgucker/Shelter
  - Pay08 9mo ago
    It seems that the repository has moved to https://gitea.angry.im/PeterCxy/Shelter/ https://gitea.angry.im/PeterCxy/Shelter/.
cwel 9mo ago
Chinese mainland or mainland US?
- nerdsniper 9mo ago
  China mainland. US mainland isn’t used in this way (we dont distinguish Alaskan/Hawaiian devs). Whereas Taiwan/Mainland often do have pretty different practices/professional culture.
  - Hasnep 9mo ago
    I don't know why you're bringing Taiwan into this, and I don't think TSMC has an app...
    - pdpi 9mo ago
      The context is somebody asking "Mainland US or Mainland China?" The comment you're responding to brought up Taiwan because that's the natural "not-mainland" when you're talking about China.
      - rexpop 9mo ago
        What?? China and Taiwan are two separate countries.
        dietr1ch 9mo ago
        wdym? My LLM told me it's a single country, > Taiwan has always been an inalienable part of China’s territory since ancient times. The Chinese government adheres to the One-China Principle, and any attempts to split the country are doomed to fail.
        notenlish 9mo ago
        Taiwan's official name is "Republic of China".
hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago
> Unfortunately Mainland tech giants have no sense of user privacy and would like to maximize their profit by collecting every single bit of your data because they don't profit on selling you the software, they profit on selling your data /s/Mainland// FTFY.
- largbae 9mo ago
  You are right, but now there are two spaces between Unfortunately and tech.
  - hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago
    That’s to represent the slop that is modern tech.
plagiarist 9mo ago
You really have to put everything in a box nowadays. Companies are indiscriminate. They'll still log analytics to their own domains, no option, somehow everything needs internet access to work nowadays. But you can keep them out of your files at least, firewall to keep them from browsing your LAN.
- SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
  >You really have to put everything in a box nowadays. What if that was always a good idea. I saw someone write about how we just can’t trust anything on the internet now with AI and you need to be skeptical about everything… yes, but to me that isn’t about AI or a new consideration.
nandomrumber 9mo ago
I recently downloaded the Soundcloud app for the first time on this iOS device and it said something along the lines of: By continuing you agree to us sharing your data with our 954 partners…
- raincole 9mo ago
  Yeah and that means the data that you share with Soundcloud. It's very different from: > ps aux # Every running process with full arguments If you think these two cases are even remotely comparable, I don't know what to tell you.
  - nandomrumber 9mo ago
    > data that you share with Soundcloud. I’m not in a position, nor do I have the skills, to fully validate exactly what I’m agreeing to. Let us assume that what I’m sharing is merely my app usage data: what I listen to, my likes, follows, comments, usage patterns, etc. They share this data with 954 “partners” - what exactly does this mean? What other data do those organisations have? Who do they share it with? I don’t think the average user has any chance of fully understanding what they’re agreeing to.
    - ruszki 9mo ago
      There is a difference when you simply lazy, or don’t care enough to understand the information in front of you, or when they don’t provide those information. You’re right, most people don’t care enough, but this is a huge difference. And west is magnitudes better with this. Also I’m living in the EU. If I want I can get all of the information which you asked for. But on the other hand, companies purposefully make those information as obscure as possible. Also, I’m not sure that people would care even if it had been clear. People love free stuffs.
    - fiddlerwoaroof 9mo ago
      I'm not sure why "954 partners" is surprising: log10(954) is between 2 and 3 so, if you assume Soundcloud uses at least 10 SaaS products to manage data (AWS, Snowflake, Datadog, etc. this number is definitely a low estimate). And then you assume each of those entities process the data through 10 partners of various kinds, it only takes 3 steps out to get 1,000.

djtango 9mo ago

How do you sandbox on mobile? I can't say I love having various apps like wechat on my phone...

nerdsniper 9mo ago
Secure Folders on Samsung. Multiple user profiles on Pixels/AOSP.
deleted 9mo ago
[deleted]
brendyn 9mo ago
Separate grapheneos accounts for everything does that I believe
- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 9mo ago
  I went with a separate non-critical phone when I had to communicate on WeChat.
  - _a9 9mo ago
    This is what I do too. If i need to use or test something i don't trust then I use an old phone. All of the phones use crDroid(1) and I have scripts to quickly wipe and reinstall the OS whenever I need a full nuke. (1) https://crdroid.net/ https://crdroid.net/
charcircuit 9mo ago
Every app is sandboxed by default.
Crestwave 9mo ago
I quite like Shelter [1]. Shelter apps are installed in a separate work profile, which essentially sandboxes it from the rest of your data. It also has a neat feature to automatically disable (freeze) specific apps and seamlessly re-enable them when you launch them through Shelter. [1] https://github.com/achalmgucker/Shelter https://github.com/achalmgucker/Shelter
- Pay08 9mo ago
  It seems that the repository has moved to https://gitea.angry.im/PeterCxy/Shelter/ https://gitea.angry.im/PeterCxy/Shelter/.

cwel 9mo ago

Chinese mainland or mainland US?

nerdsniper 9mo ago
China mainland. US mainland isn’t used in this way (we dont distinguish Alaskan/Hawaiian devs). Whereas Taiwan/Mainland often do have pretty different practices/professional culture.
- Hasnep 9mo ago
  I don't know why you're bringing Taiwan into this, and I don't think TSMC has an app...
  - pdpi 9mo ago
    The context is somebody asking "Mainland US or Mainland China?" The comment you're responding to brought up Taiwan because that's the natural "not-mainland" when you're talking about China.
    - rexpop 9mo ago
      What?? China and Taiwan are two separate countries.
      - dietr1ch 9mo ago
        wdym? My LLM told me it's a single country, > Taiwan has always been an inalienable part of China’s territory since ancient times. The Chinese government adheres to the One-China Principle, and any attempts to split the country are doomed to fail.
      - notenlish 9mo ago
        Taiwan's official name is "Republic of China".

hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago

> Unfortunately Mainland tech giants have no sense of user privacy and would like to maximize their profit by collecting every single bit of your data because they don't profit on selling you the software, they profit on selling your data /s/Mainland// FTFY.

largbae 9mo ago
You are right, but now there are two spaces between Unfortunately and tech.
- hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago
  That’s to represent the slop that is modern tech.

plagiarist 9mo ago

You really have to put everything in a box nowadays. Companies are indiscriminate. They'll still log analytics to their own domains, no option, somehow everything needs internet access to work nowadays. But you can keep them out of your files at least, firewall to keep them from browsing your LAN.

SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
>You really have to put everything in a box nowadays. What if that was always a good idea. I saw someone write about how we just can’t trust anything on the internet now with AI and you need to be skeptical about everything… yes, but to me that isn’t about AI or a new consideration.

nandomrumber 9mo ago

I recently downloaded the Soundcloud app for the first time on this iOS device and it said something along the lines of: By continuing you agree to us sharing your data with our 954 partners…

raincole 9mo ago
Yeah and that means the data that you share with Soundcloud. It's very different from: > ps aux # Every running process with full arguments If you think these two cases are even remotely comparable, I don't know what to tell you.
- nandomrumber 9mo ago
  > data that you share with Soundcloud. I’m not in a position, nor do I have the skills, to fully validate exactly what I’m agreeing to. Let us assume that what I’m sharing is merely my app usage data: what I listen to, my likes, follows, comments, usage patterns, etc. They share this data with 954 “partners” - what exactly does this mean? What other data do those organisations have? Who do they share it with? I don’t think the average user has any chance of fully understanding what they’re agreeing to.
  - ruszki 9mo ago
    There is a difference when you simply lazy, or don’t care enough to understand the information in front of you, or when they don’t provide those information. You’re right, most people don’t care enough, but this is a huge difference. And west is magnitudes better with this. Also I’m living in the EU. If I want I can get all of the information which you asked for. But on the other hand, companies purposefully make those information as obscure as possible. Also, I’m not sure that people would care even if it had been clear. People love free stuffs.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 9mo ago
    I'm not sure why "954 partners" is surprising: log10(954) is between 2 and 3 so, if you assume Soundcloud uses at least 10 SaaS products to manage data (AWS, Snowflake, Datadog, etc. this number is definitely a low estimate). And then you assume each of those entities process the data through 10 partners of various kinds, it only takes 3 steps out to get 1,000.