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What limits? You can do pretty much what you want but make sure you can defend yourself in the court. I feel there is a bit of a disconnect in terms where peopl

What limits? You can do pretty much what you want but make sure you can defend yourself in the court. I feel there is a bit of a disconnect in terms where people get the news where in US you kind of expect biggest news providers to be biassed, eg Fox, hence reliance on social media. In Europe gov media is quite strong and objective, and the idea that it restricts something is odd. A great example is the banning of RT, they lost licenses IMO in multiple countries, but the agency was spreading a lot of lies. IMO what we all want is objective news reporting.

PolygonSheep 8mo ago
I have heard of RT lying but I have never actually seen examples of specific lies. Is there any list out there where they list any specific ones? If they do it a lot, it should be quite easy, no?
- Aloisius 8mo ago
  https://euvsdisinfo.eu/disinformation-cases/?disinfo_keywords[]=keyword_81391 https://euvsdisinfo.eu/disinformation-cases/?disinfo_keyword...
  - sunaookami 8mo ago
    This is a propaganda website funded by the EU.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- wasabi991011 8mo ago
  Here's a source with some: https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html > The January 14, 2016, edition of Weekly Disinformation Review reported the reemergence of several previously debunked Russian propaganda stories, including that Polish President Andrzej Duda was insisting that Ukraine return former Polish territory, that Islamic State fighters were joining pro-Ukrainian forces, and that there was a Western-backed coup in Kiev, Ukraine’s capital.11 > Sometimes, Russian propaganda is picked up and rebroadcast by legitimate news outlets; more frequently, social media repeats the themes, messages, or falsehoods introduced by one of Russia’s many dissemination channels. For example, German news sources rebroadcast Russian disinformation about atrocities in Ukraine in early 2014, and Russian disinformation about EU plans to deny visas to young Ukrainian men was repeated with such frequency in Ukrainian media that the Ukrainian general staff felt compelled to post a rebuttal.12 > Sometimes, however, events reported in Russian propaganda are wholly manufactured, like the 2014 social media campaign to create panic about an explosion and chemical plume in St. Mary's Parish, Louisiana, that never happened.15 Russian propaganda has relied on manufactured evidence—often photographic. Some of these images are easily exposed as fake due to poor photo editing, such as discrepancies of scale, or the availability of the original (pre-altered) image.16 Russian propagandists have been caught hiring actors to portray victims of manufactured atrocities or crimes for news reports (as was the case when Viktoria Schmidt pretended to have been attacked by Syrian refugees in Germany for Russian's Zvezda TV network), or faking on-scene news reporting (as shown in a leaked video in which “reporter” Maria Katasonova is revealed to be in a darkened room with explosion sounds playing in the background rather than on a battlefield in Donetsk when a light is switched on during the recording).17 > RT stated that blogger Brown Moses (a staunch critic of Syria's Assad regime whose real name is Eliot Higgins) had provided analysis of footage suggesting that chemical weapon attacks on August 21, 2013, had been perpetrated by Syrian rebels. In fact, Higgins's analysis concluded that the Syrian government was responsible for the attacks and that the footage had been faked to shift the blame.18 Similarly, several scholars and journalists, including Edward Lucas, Luke Harding, and Don Jensen, have reported that books that they did not write—and containing views clearly contrary to their own—had been published in Russian under their names. I found that source on the Wikipedia page for RT after a couple of minutes. You can find more pretty easily.
0xy 8mo ago
Thousands of people in the UK have been arrested for social media posts, some for speech recognized as protected by international organizations. Germany is currently actively campaigning to force everyone to use their real names on all social media and force ID checks to do so, a clear chilling effect for free speech. Macron has been railing against free speech specifically in recent months, calling it "bullshit". Europe is against free speech, any argument to the contrary must contend with the above examples of them trampling on rights.
- seattle_spring 8mo ago
  > some for speech recognized as protected by international organizations. Can you share some concrete examples from reputable sources that show these? Every examples I've seen have been clear-cut calls for violence, or unambiguous harassment.
  - 0xy 8mo ago
    Absolutely. There are several examples that are not calls for violence or unambiguous harassment that were documented by The Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-vance-warns-civil-liberty/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/hundreds-charged...
    - seattle_spring 8mo ago
      The only semi-concrete example that article gives: > After the Southport stabbings, several people were questioned by police over false communications for spreading claims the attacker was a Muslim immigrant. In one instance, a man pleaded guilty to the offence for a livestreamed video on TikTok where he falsely claimed he was “running for his life” from rioters in Derby. That very much seems like an attempt to harass or invite harassment against a group of people...
  - NewJazz 8mo ago
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/palestine-action-arrest-facebook-police-raid-b2811996.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/palestine-action...
gpt5 8mo ago
Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. In Italy, people have faced criminal charges for simply criticizing the prime minister. When the government does not allow its population to freely speak against it, it's just waiting to be abused by one bad leader.
- tchalla 8mo ago
  > Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. Germany restricts insulting individuals / your neighbour, police officer, a pastor or a minister. There’s no special law for politicians. Political criticism is protected under the Basic Law (constitution). Go ahead and be crucial about a politician’s actions but don’t insult their person’s honour or use a slur. That’s not your freedom of speech, that’s the dignity. In fact, you can even insult the government! You can say German government as the government is not a person.
  - gpt5 8mo ago
    Free speech in America is specifically about protecting you against the government. Your neighbor is still not allowed to defame you.
    - vharuck 8mo ago
      >Your neighbor is still not allowed to defame you. Anyone can defame anyone else on the US. The only time the libel or slander laws apply is when the defamed person can prove real harm in court. Not harm to dignity, but monetary loss, personal loss, or physical injury. These are very high bars to clear. If people could sue and win just for proving willful or negligent defamation of character, a lot of extremist influencers would be in the poor house.
  - chopin 8mo ago
    There is a special law for politicians.
- codethief 8mo ago
drnick1 8mo ago
> A great example is the banning of RT, they lost licenses IMO in multiple countries, but the agency was spreading a lot of lies. IMO what we all want is objective news reporting. You shouldn't need a "license" to publish a website.
- NewJazz 8mo ago
  They had TV licenses. Also they are the state media arm of a country that is in a proxy war with the EU and NATO. I don't think that situation would even pass muster in the US.

PolygonSheep 8mo ago

I have heard of RT lying but I have never actually seen examples of specific lies. Is there any list out there where they list any specific ones? If they do it a lot, it should be quite easy, no?

Aloisius 8mo ago
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/disinformation-cases/?disinfo_keywords[]=keyword_81391 https://euvsdisinfo.eu/disinformation-cases/?disinfo_keyword...
- sunaookami 8mo ago
  This is a propaganda website funded by the EU.
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wasabi991011 8mo ago
Here's a source with some: https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html > The January 14, 2016, edition of Weekly Disinformation Review reported the reemergence of several previously debunked Russian propaganda stories, including that Polish President Andrzej Duda was insisting that Ukraine return former Polish territory, that Islamic State fighters were joining pro-Ukrainian forces, and that there was a Western-backed coup in Kiev, Ukraine’s capital.11 > Sometimes, Russian propaganda is picked up and rebroadcast by legitimate news outlets; more frequently, social media repeats the themes, messages, or falsehoods introduced by one of Russia’s many dissemination channels. For example, German news sources rebroadcast Russian disinformation about atrocities in Ukraine in early 2014, and Russian disinformation about EU plans to deny visas to young Ukrainian men was repeated with such frequency in Ukrainian media that the Ukrainian general staff felt compelled to post a rebuttal.12 > Sometimes, however, events reported in Russian propaganda are wholly manufactured, like the 2014 social media campaign to create panic about an explosion and chemical plume in St. Mary's Parish, Louisiana, that never happened.15 Russian propaganda has relied on manufactured evidence—often photographic. Some of these images are easily exposed as fake due to poor photo editing, such as discrepancies of scale, or the availability of the original (pre-altered) image.16 Russian propagandists have been caught hiring actors to portray victims of manufactured atrocities or crimes for news reports (as was the case when Viktoria Schmidt pretended to have been attacked by Syrian refugees in Germany for Russian's Zvezda TV network), or faking on-scene news reporting (as shown in a leaked video in which “reporter” Maria Katasonova is revealed to be in a darkened room with explosion sounds playing in the background rather than on a battlefield in Donetsk when a light is switched on during the recording).17 > RT stated that blogger Brown Moses (a staunch critic of Syria's Assad regime whose real name is Eliot Higgins) had provided analysis of footage suggesting that chemical weapon attacks on August 21, 2013, had been perpetrated by Syrian rebels. In fact, Higgins's analysis concluded that the Syrian government was responsible for the attacks and that the footage had been faked to shift the blame.18 Similarly, several scholars and journalists, including Edward Lucas, Luke Harding, and Don Jensen, have reported that books that they did not write—and containing views clearly contrary to their own—had been published in Russian under their names. I found that source on the Wikipedia page for RT after a couple of minutes. You can find more pretty easily.

0xy 8mo ago

Thousands of people in the UK have been arrested for social media posts, some for speech recognized as protected by international organizations. Germany is currently actively campaigning to force everyone to use their real names on all social media and force ID checks to do so, a clear chilling effect for free speech. Macron has been railing against free speech specifically in recent months, calling it "bullshit". Europe is against free speech, any argument to the contrary must contend with the above examples of them trampling on rights.

seattle_spring 8mo ago
> some for speech recognized as protected by international organizations. Can you share some concrete examples from reputable sources that show these? Every examples I've seen have been clear-cut calls for violence, or unambiguous harassment.
- 0xy 8mo ago
  Absolutely. There are several examples that are not calls for violence or unambiguous harassment that were documented by The Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-vance-warns-civil-liberty/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/hundreds-charged...
  - seattle_spring 8mo ago
    The only semi-concrete example that article gives: > After the Southport stabbings, several people were questioned by police over false communications for spreading claims the attacker was a Muslim immigrant. In one instance, a man pleaded guilty to the offence for a livestreamed video on TikTok where he falsely claimed he was “running for his life” from rioters in Derby. That very much seems like an attempt to harass or invite harassment against a group of people...
- NewJazz 8mo ago
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/palestine-action-arrest-facebook-police-raid-b2811996.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/palestine-action...

gpt5 8mo ago

Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. In Italy, people have faced criminal charges for simply criticizing the prime minister. When the government does not allow its population to freely speak against it, it's just waiting to be abused by one bad leader.

tchalla 8mo ago
> Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. Germany restricts insulting individuals / your neighbour, police officer, a pastor or a minister. There’s no special law for politicians. Political criticism is protected under the Basic Law (constitution). Go ahead and be crucial about a politician’s actions but don’t insult their person’s honour or use a slur. That’s not your freedom of speech, that’s the dignity. In fact, you can even insult the government! You can say German government as the government is not a person.
- gpt5 8mo ago
  Free speech in America is specifically about protecting you against the government. Your neighbor is still not allowed to defame you.
  - vharuck 8mo ago
    >Your neighbor is still not allowed to defame you. Anyone can defame anyone else on the US. The only time the libel or slander laws apply is when the defamed person can prove real harm in court. Not harm to dignity, but monetary loss, personal loss, or physical injury. These are very high bars to clear. If people could sue and win just for proving willful or negligent defamation of character, a lot of extremist influencers would be in the poor house.
- chopin 8mo ago
  There is a special law for politicians.
codethief 8mo ago

drnick1 8mo ago

> A great example is the banning of RT, they lost licenses IMO in multiple countries, but the agency was spreading a lot of lies. IMO what we all want is objective news reporting. You shouldn't need a "license" to publish a website.

NewJazz 8mo ago
They had TV licenses. Also they are the state media arm of a country that is in a proxy war with the EU and NATO. I don't think that situation would even pass muster in the US.