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I lost my job as a programmer and I think it's over for me. No, you will not hack the device drivers in the basement but you're gonna be flipping burgers and ou

I lost my job as a programmer and I think it's over for me. No, you will not hack the device drivers in the basement but you're gonna be flipping burgers and out of cash or energy for anything else. Worst thing: you never gonna even be good at flipping burgers without experience or young age... Once you are out of the field, and your money is gone: suddenly you are useless, old trash. No one even wants to employ ex programmers as they simply don't fit into any other workfield... /rant

slashdev 8mo ago
If you believe that, it could be true. On the other hand there are lots of companies hiring still, so you could also keep working as a software engineer, if that's what you're good at. The job has changed a lot though, it's not about writing code by hand anymore.
- pjmlp 8mo ago
  Provided one can go through the silliness of fitting golf balls into planes, or going through the algorithms and data structures books from 30 years ago.
  - slashdev 8mo ago
    It's not all like that, but yeah there's a lot of artificialness to interviews and there always has been.
  - mapme 8mo ago
    What field has interviews without silliness like this. Jobs for lawyers in 1950 when all that mattered was your father and your alma mater? Hard pass. I would take a interview premised on a know, learnable challenge (even if silly) over one that exclusively relied on what college you went to.
    - slashdev 8mo ago
      At work we do both. If you pass the somewhat artificial interviews we invite you for a trial week of 3-5 days working with the actual team on actual real work (a somewhat contained feature or problem). Lets us evaluate people in real conditions and visa versa.
      - pjmlp 8mo ago
        That only works for unemployed people. In Germany for example, that isn't allowed, and there is the whole insurance discussion if something happens to someone that shouldn't be there as employee in first place.
        slashdev 8mo ago
        It also works for people willing to take time off (PTO or otherwise). We do lose some people who aren't willing to do the trial, but that's considered acceptable. People who do the work trial and accept an offer are much more likely to stick around (much lower rate of mistakes on their part and our part.) I'm laughing a bit at Germany, but Europe in general has lost the plot when it comes to innovation.
cableshaft 8mo ago
Flipping burgers really isn't that difficult. It was my first job, and I even have nostalgia for it at times. If I had to go do that again, the main problem would for me would be that I don't think I could stand in one place for that long anymore, my thigh and lower back start stinging and want me to sit down (at least they do when I cook at home). I interacted with way more people at a fast food restaurant than I do now, and got to interact with customers as well. Which wasn't always positive, but it was at least interesting to see all the various people that came in. Also it was a lot more laid back and less serious than what I do now (which is work on web apps for large corporations). Also at least I knew what I worked on was going to get used. I've been on too many projects that end up getting cancelled, or only used by a small handful of (high paying) clients, etc. Or specific features that end up getting cancelled or delayed indefinitely, etc. Too bad it pays so little, or I'd actually consider it for a change of pace (well, more likely I'd want to try being a barista instead, that seems more enjoyable and a lot less walking on greasy floors).
- iberator 8mo ago
  It is hard I'd you didn't do any labour work for 20 years. Impossible to compete with youngsters
steve1977 8mo ago
Who's gonna be able to afford burgers?
- NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
  Burgers are cheap! You can easily find a place that has something meat-adjacent with too much bun and certified cheesonium topping for less than $30. Don't just try it once, start a layaway plan now so you can enjoy that three times a year!
  - steve1977 8mo ago
    I wish this was sarcasm...
    - boston_clone 8mo ago
      It is. Here’s a vegan cheeseburger for four dollars in a popular west coast metro. https://www.eatfaceplant.com/menu https://www.eatfaceplant.com/menu They even have a working shake machine.
      - throwerxyz 8mo ago
        A vegan cheeseburger isn't a cheeseburger.
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        aziaziazi 8mo ago
        That's why it's called vegan cheeseburger and not cheeseburger! A toy car isn't a car, a step dad isn't a dad and an e book isn't a book, are they ?
        throwerxyz 8mo ago
        A cheeseburger with neither beef nor cheese is not a cheeseburger. A vegan sandwich would be right. Do you also call a caesar salad a salad cheeseburger?
viking123 8mo ago
If I lose my job and fail to get another one in reasonable time, I guess I'll try my own business, if that also fails it might be the rope then. At least I am not tied by family so I can be relatively mobile, I moved to Singapore from my European country since the market was not great and I managed to get hired here. Anyway in my current company the bottlenecks are completely different than AI so it will take a fair amount of time to even apply AI properly to development here.
jackdoe 8mo ago
> you never gonna even be good at flipping burgers i promise you this is not true understand the chemistry of fats an denaturing of proteins, understand myoglobin; it is not much different than understanding anything. nothing stops you from trying to make the best burgers in the world be curious, ignorant and kind
- iberator 8mo ago
  I know because I just got laid off from McDonald's. It's very hard: stress, speed, precision, noise. You are competing with people 20 years younger. It's like watching professional athletes vs school soccer
  - jackdoe 8mo ago
    sorry man i cant even imagine what you are going through i didnt mean to be condescending or anything, i just truly believe that people are amazing to be amazing however requires food and roof and a bit of luck i honestly dont know what i would do without a job, its hard to break into trades i hear, and also seems to be hard in mcdonalds i will probably start a tool and die shop or something, or a burger joint, smash burgers only (those the only ones i love to make)
    - jimbokun 8mo ago
      You must have a lot of capital already if those are realistic options for you.
- jimbokun 8mo ago
  You are talking about being a professional chef, not a fast food employee.
ferguess_k 8mo ago
This is probably true, TBH. I can't think of any work that I can do whence I lose my job. Trade, Uber...those are not for me. I'm not competitive enough with people who bagged so many years of experience. At best I'd be at the lowest echelon and might as well just collect benefit from the government. I really have no idea what I'm going to do, but I can probably still sit in the basement hacking kernels when I'm done with my whatever day job.
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elzbardico 8mo ago
Most of us had been laid-off at some moment in our careers, and frankly, it always seem like you're unemployable. This is not true in the majority of cases. This kind of feeling is mostly just our old minds that cannot stop identifying this situation as social rejection or being shunned off; both things amongst the most terrible events that can happen to social primates like us.
- iberator 8mo ago
  Now it's different. AI and I'm older. There is like 70% less offers. There are very few programmers around at age 40

slashdev 8mo ago

If you believe that, it could be true. On the other hand there are lots of companies hiring still, so you could also keep working as a software engineer, if that's what you're good at. The job has changed a lot though, it's not about writing code by hand anymore.

pjmlp 8mo ago
Provided one can go through the silliness of fitting golf balls into planes, or going through the algorithms and data structures books from 30 years ago.
- slashdev 8mo ago
  It's not all like that, but yeah there's a lot of artificialness to interviews and there always has been.
- mapme 8mo ago
  What field has interviews without silliness like this. Jobs for lawyers in 1950 when all that mattered was your father and your alma mater? Hard pass. I would take a interview premised on a know, learnable challenge (even if silly) over one that exclusively relied on what college you went to.
  - slashdev 8mo ago
    At work we do both. If you pass the somewhat artificial interviews we invite you for a trial week of 3-5 days working with the actual team on actual real work (a somewhat contained feature or problem). Lets us evaluate people in real conditions and visa versa.
    - pjmlp 8mo ago
      That only works for unemployed people. In Germany for example, that isn't allowed, and there is the whole insurance discussion if something happens to someone that shouldn't be there as employee in first place.
      - slashdev 8mo ago
        It also works for people willing to take time off (PTO or otherwise). We do lose some people who aren't willing to do the trial, but that's considered acceptable. People who do the work trial and accept an offer are much more likely to stick around (much lower rate of mistakes on their part and our part.) I'm laughing a bit at Germany, but Europe in general has lost the plot when it comes to innovation.

cableshaft 8mo ago

Flipping burgers really isn't that difficult. It was my first job, and I even have nostalgia for it at times. If I had to go do that again, the main problem would for me would be that I don't think I could stand in one place for that long anymore, my thigh and lower back start stinging and want me to sit down (at least they do when I cook at home). I interacted with way more people at a fast food restaurant than I do now, and got to interact with customers as well. Which wasn't always positive, but it was at least interesting to see all the various people that came in. Also it was a lot more laid back and less serious than what I do now (which is work on web apps for large corporations). Also at least I knew what I worked on was going to get used. I've been on too many projects that end up getting cancelled, or only used by a small handful of (high paying) clients, etc. Or specific features that end up getting cancelled or delayed indefinitely, etc. Too bad it pays so little, or I'd actually consider it for a change of pace (well, more likely I'd want to try being a barista instead, that seems more enjoyable and a lot less walking on greasy floors).

iberator 8mo ago
It is hard I'd you didn't do any labour work for 20 years. Impossible to compete with youngsters

steve1977 8mo ago

Who's gonna be able to afford burgers?

NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
Burgers are cheap! You can easily find a place that has something meat-adjacent with too much bun and certified cheesonium topping for less than $30. Don't just try it once, start a layaway plan now so you can enjoy that three times a year!
- steve1977 8mo ago
  I wish this was sarcasm...
  - boston_clone 8mo ago
    It is. Here’s a vegan cheeseburger for four dollars in a popular west coast metro. https://www.eatfaceplant.com/menu https://www.eatfaceplant.com/menu They even have a working shake machine.
    - throwerxyz 8mo ago
      A vegan cheeseburger isn't a cheeseburger.
      - deleted 8mo ago
        [deleted]
      - aziaziazi 8mo ago
        That's why it's called vegan cheeseburger and not cheeseburger! A toy car isn't a car, a step dad isn't a dad and an e book isn't a book, are they ?
        throwerxyz 8mo ago
        A cheeseburger with neither beef nor cheese is not a cheeseburger. A vegan sandwich would be right. Do you also call a caesar salad a salad cheeseburger?

viking123 8mo ago

If I lose my job and fail to get another one in reasonable time, I guess I'll try my own business, if that also fails it might be the rope then. At least I am not tied by family so I can be relatively mobile, I moved to Singapore from my European country since the market was not great and I managed to get hired here. Anyway in my current company the bottlenecks are completely different than AI so it will take a fair amount of time to even apply AI properly to development here.

jackdoe 8mo ago

> you never gonna even be good at flipping burgers i promise you this is not true understand the chemistry of fats an denaturing of proteins, understand myoglobin; it is not much different than understanding anything. nothing stops you from trying to make the best burgers in the world be curious, ignorant and kind

iberator 8mo ago
I know because I just got laid off from McDonald's. It's very hard: stress, speed, precision, noise. You are competing with people 20 years younger. It's like watching professional athletes vs school soccer
- jackdoe 8mo ago
  sorry man i cant even imagine what you are going through i didnt mean to be condescending or anything, i just truly believe that people are amazing to be amazing however requires food and roof and a bit of luck i honestly dont know what i would do without a job, its hard to break into trades i hear, and also seems to be hard in mcdonalds i will probably start a tool and die shop or something, or a burger joint, smash burgers only (those the only ones i love to make)
  - jimbokun 8mo ago
    You must have a lot of capital already if those are realistic options for you.
jimbokun 8mo ago
You are talking about being a professional chef, not a fast food employee.

ferguess_k 8mo ago

This is probably true, TBH. I can't think of any work that I can do whence I lose my job. Trade, Uber...those are not for me. I'm not competitive enough with people who bagged so many years of experience. At best I'd be at the lowest echelon and might as well just collect benefit from the government. I really have no idea what I'm going to do, but I can probably still sit in the basement hacking kernels when I'm done with my whatever day job.

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elzbardico 8mo ago

Most of us had been laid-off at some moment in our careers, and frankly, it always seem like you're unemployable. This is not true in the majority of cases. This kind of feeling is mostly just our old minds that cannot stop identifying this situation as social rejection or being shunned off; both things amongst the most terrible events that can happen to social primates like us.

iberator 8mo ago
Now it's different. AI and I'm older. There is like 70% less offers. There are very few programmers around at age 40