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This is What It's Like to Spend Your Life in Prison (2023) [video]
- DivingForGold 8mo agoToo bad you cannot buy it as a "standalone" for desktop . . . the way it was originally intended.
- hrimfaxi 8mo agoIs this comment misplaced?
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- amelius 8mo agoAs long as there's a decent internet connection ...
- ge96 8mo agoI've thought about being a von neumann probe, if I could take the entireity of the internet and generative models.
- obloid 8mo agoThis is basically the plot of the Bobiverse novels. They're a fun read.
- Octoth0rpe 8mo agoI would say that this is the _setup_ for the bobiverse novels, not the plot. The plot is a whole hell of a lot larger at this point. > They're a fun read. Strong agree.
- ge96 8mo agoYeah I have read them all, great books Moot Edit: We've got a Project Hail Mary movie how about Bobiverse
- qingcharles 8mo agoI know people serving life without parole. One of them especially I'm fond of. One of the funniest, nicest people I've met. Two people were killed. Did he do it? I couldn't tell you. I've read his entire case file multiple times and I can't say for certain if he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was arrested at 19 and will never see the light of day unless the law changes. If he had a lot of money for a lawyer he could probably get his sentence converted to a fixed duration, since there is now case law saying those under 21 should not be given indefinite sentences due to the undeveloped nature of their brains. I'm actually amazed at the statistic that only 3% return to prison. There are actually very little resources for those getting released, and if your entire family and friends are gone, you have no support network to fall back on. Perhaps getting out above retirement age gives you access to more charities and a small state pension that will allow you to find a place to live and buy food. One of the saddest cases I know of is a man who did 50 straight years then needed money when he got out, so his daughter persuaded him to go shoplifting with her and he got arrested immediately and sent back for another three years.
- gruez 8mo ago>I've read his entire case file multiple times and I can't say for certain if he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Surely there would be an indictment alleging what he did?
- qingcharles 8mo agoWell, indictments are kinda muddy in that they just say "this person killed this person" without going into any details. There were two couples (four people) and two (other) dead people. Even if only one of the four people killed the two people then all four can get charged and convicted if they are shown to be involved in any way. In Illinois they call this "Accountability for conduct of another": https://www.srhunterlaw.com/Criminal-Code-of-1961-Article-Article-5-Illinois-Crimes-Involving-Multiple-People https://www.srhunterlaw.com/Criminal-Code-of-1961-Article-Ar...
- JuniperMesos 8mo agoIf this person was freed from prison and then the relatives of the two dead people killed him in retaliation, how much prison time do you think it would be just for them to receive? Deterring this kind of informal retaliatory murder is one of the jobs of harsh sentences in the formal criminal justice system.
- kitesay 8mo agoLife without parole. Letting them out when they are elderly. What do they do for care? It's not like they'll have a retirement fund.
- SoftTalker 8mo agoProbably the same as other elderly with no assets. Public housing and other welfare.
- OutOfHere 8mo agoUS prisons literally are a source of slave labor. If you support them, you stand for slavery.
- 1970-01-01 8mo agoBecause it is enshrined in the 13th Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted*, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
- MSFT_Edging 8mo agoProbably an Amendment that needs amending. It was used en masse with turn of the century vagrancy laws to arrest Black people who didn't have enough cash on hand, then send them to other states to work and/or die in coal mines as essentially slave labor. Even happened to children who committed minor crimes. The 13th Amendment provides incentive to incarcerate, and with private prison industries existing period, that incentive probably should not exist at all.
- MiiMe19 8mo agoIf you commit a crime tough it out and dont do it again lol.
- goodmythical 8mo agoWhat about for the tens of thousands that are demonstrably innocent and still serving time? Every single innocence project has years or decades of backlogged cases.
- MiiMe19 8mo agoUsually they did it. Dont be so suspicious you get convicted by a jury of your peers. We need more people in prison, not less.
- m0llusk 8mo agoThere seems to be a great variance here. Maine, for example, has been making available computers and educational assets and as a result some prisoners have become quite technologically adept and left prison as skilled technologists.
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- RHSeeger 8mo ago> As many of them acknowledge, they have been rightly punished for a long time. But, ask yourself as you watch the video, how long is long enough? I am of the opinion that incarceration should be "for the benefit of society"; that the person should be behind bars because because they are a threat to society. If they're done with thing because, they may do it again. And that incarceration should be working helping that person become one that would _not_ repeat that crime. Life sentences should only ever be the case for someone that will always be a threat to society. I get that people want closure/revenge, and understand that. I'm sure I would feel the same in many cases. But ... it just doesn't help anything. And sure there's an argument for it being preventative (don't do the crime or you'll do the time), but lots of studies have shown that's has little validity. > None of us want to be defined solely by the person we were in our youth, or by the worst thing we ever did. The men serving life without parole feel the same way. Fair, but if it's likely that you're the type of person that _will_ do catastrophic harm to society again if you get out, then there's a fair argument that you should not be out.
- gruez 8mo ago>I am of the opinion that incarceration should be "for the benefit of society"; that the person should be behind bars because because they are a threat to society. If they're done with thing because, they may do it again. And that incarceration should be working helping that person become one that would _not_ repeat that crime. Life sentences should only ever be the case for someone that will always be a threat to society. How do you know whether a murderer won't be a repeat murderer?
- dmitrygr 8mo agostatistically, recidivism is extremely common. For the benefit of the innocent, the guilty should be kept in prisons. https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/returning-prison-0 https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/returning-prison-0 https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/sex_offense_recidivism_2019.html https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/sex_offense_recidivism_2... https://usafacts.org/articles/how-common-is-it-for-released-prisoners-to-re-offend/ https://usafacts.org/articles/how-common-is-it-for-released-... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3969807/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3969807/ https://ciceroinstitute.org/research/the-case-for-incarceration/ https://ciceroinstitute.org/research/the-case-for-incarcerat... https://bjs.ojp.gov/topics/recidivism-and-reentry https://bjs.ojp.gov/topics/recidivism-and-reentry
- danbruc 8mo ago60 Minutes - The German prison program that inspired Connecticut [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOmcP9sMwIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOmcP9sMwIE
- munificent 8mo ago"I make sure that my life is purposeful. Every time I invest myself into someone else, I free a part of myself. A part of me will leave here with you. I'm going to love people so passionately until a part of me will always live outside of the gates of Angola." Wow.
- AstroBen 8mo agoThe thing in the back of my head is that everything they say is tainted by the crimes they committed How do you empathize, or trust that it's not just a ploy to try to get out?
- Schiendelman 8mo agoIf you're flipping the burden that way, I challenge you: flip the burden that way on everyone around you. "How do you empathize, or trust that it's not just a ploy to try to pay rent?" I think you'll find that you're making assumptions that it would benefit you to avoid making.
- AstroBen 8mo agoThe stakes are very different, both for themselves and society at large if they're set free. They're fighting for their life and freedom, not just a relatively small rent payment These people have also already shown their character, at least at one point in their life. They're capable of heinous acts and being deceptive is pretty in line with that It's a much higher bar for them to clear than everyone around me needs to
- goodmythical 8mo agoMust be nice to be so unencumbered that you think paying rent is not a life and death issue.
- Schiendelman 8mo agoBased on your response, I think you may seriously lack information about what causes people to be imprisoned.
- WalterBright 8mo agoSome people would say that murder is the worst crime, but I disagree. A murder done in anger, or to get revenge, or for money, or is otherwise a personal thing is one thing. But there are crimes against society - like the Boston bombers, and the school shooters, and the people who deliberately drive into crowds, or poison the water supply. Those disrupt society, and the cost of them goes far beyond the people killed. Those criminals need to be in jail for life.
- SoftTalker 8mo agoMass murder being worse than a single murder seems self-evident. I don't want people who have done either to be roaming free in society. Granted a killing may be a crime of rage or passion and not methodically planned, but generally that would be charged as manslaughter and so the difference in motivation and effect on society is already recognized.
- jimt1234 8mo agoAfter graduation my high-school-best-friend and I took different paths. He got heavily into partying and drugs, and started doing crimes to pay for his addictions. First major conviction was for stolen credit cards. Second conviction was for check fraud. His third major conviction was for breaking into rich people's houses and stealing loose crap like golf clubs, power tools and bicycles. Missouri had just passed its version of the then-popular Three Strikes law, and this latest conviction was his third strike. He was fast-passed to a 20-year sentence, no opportunity for early release. I'm not going to preach about my friend being a victim of a cruel system or whatever. He deserved to be punished, no doubt about it. He committed crimes; there were victims to those crimes. My feeling, however, is that the people of Missouri are the victims, the taxpayers. They had to pay to jail a dude for 20 years (they paid for his college education, too, through some sort of convict-college program). I'm confident there's a better way to punish/rehabilitate non-violent offenders that doesn't cost the tax payers 20 years of jailing. Funny-not-funny tidbit: My friend was released in early-2021. He was released after serving 20 years, only to be "locked down" on the outside because of Covid.
- dmitrygr 8mo ago> As many of them acknowledge, they have been rightly punished for a long time. But, ask yourself as you watch the video, how long is long enough? according to the date: "until death" is enough. society is not well served by releasing them. https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/returning-prison-0 https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/returning-prison-0 https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/sex_offense_recidivism_2019.html https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/sex_offense_recidivism_2... https://usafacts.org/articles/how-common-is-it-for-released-prisoners-to-re-offend/ https://usafacts.org/articles/how-common-is-it-for-released-... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3969807/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3969807/ https://ciceroinstitute.org/research/the-case-for-incarceration/ https://ciceroinstitute.org/research/the-case-for-incarcerat... https://bjs.ojp.gov/topics/recidivism-and-reentry https://bjs.ojp.gov/topics/recidivism-and-reentry