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Realfood.gov includes a Grok search box

84 points by burkaman 8mo ago

ChrisArchitect 8mo ago
An article: https://www.nextgov.com/digital-government/2026/02/trumps-nutrition-website-directs-users-elon-musks-grok/411323/ https://www.nextgov.com/digital-government/2026/02/trumps-nu...
jazz9k 8mo ago
I have no problem with this. Much less chance of getting biased answers.
- lionkor 8mo ago
  compared to?
  - irishcoffee 8mo ago
    Clearly they’re referring to deepmind. I don’t have an opinion on how accurate this is, but feigning ignorance doesn’t help further discussion or reduce echo chambers.
    - lynndotpy 8mo ago
      That's really not clear at all. I earnestly can't anticipate what specific information-diet someone could have where they would so strongly assume that Google Deepmind (of all the various AI companies) is a clear and sole foil to Grok that they would assume anyone who didn't share that perspective to be feigning ignorance in bad faith. Where-ever you're having these discussions where it's entirely unfamiliar to me (and evidently others). (I don't say this with scorn or malice!) On the greater topic of "bias", it's kind of meaningless. There's correct answers and there are incorrect answers, and "bias" refers to some tendency away from an assumed default distribution. Randomly-generated strings might be the only "unbiased" response. This is really more a difficult epistemic question, and I'd prefer something that is biased towards what's most likely to be true (e.g. Wikipedia > someones Livejournal). Given Grok has been intentionally made to generate text praising Hitler, and I have very very high confidence that Hitler actually sucks, I have very very low confidence in the ability for the Grok program to reliably generate text that's worth reading.
      - irishcoffee 8mo ago
        Sorry, deepseek, not deepmind. My apologies. They're all so clearly named.
- Y-bar 8mo ago
  What if I want answers with a pro-facts and pro-scientific bias?
  - PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
    I had ChatGPT give me incorrect answers to a real life game theory problem. I had ChatGPT tell me I was imagining an HR problem related to the women. Grok got them right. My executive team got them right. I'm not defending Elon, but after those 2 chatGPT failings due to moral coating, I unsubscribed and got Claude.
    - ceejayoz 8mo ago
      I mean, sample size of two. Grok will also tell you it's MechaHitler, that Musk is fitter than LeBron James, and that he "would have risen from the dead faster than Jesus", sometimes. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk-grok-ai-bias-ranks-richest-man-fittest-smartest https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk... Maybe don't use chatbots for HR at all?
      - PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
        But Grok was helpful. Why wouldnt I use something helpful?
        ceejayoz 8mo ago
        Setting aside the fact that you're asking something naming itself MechaHitler HR questions - I'd be pretty careful asking it about illegal discrimination… That's a great question. > I unsubscribed and got Claude...
        PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
        It wasnt a discrimination thing. They both wanted to be the 'prettiest girl at work' and hate each other. I was looking for solutions.
- ceejayoz 8mo ago
  About that… RFK Jr's Nutrition Chatbot Recommends Best Foods to Insert Into Your Rectum: https://www.404media.co/rfk-jrs-nutrition-chatbot-recommends-best-foods-to-insert-into-your-rectum/ https://www.404media.co/rfk-jrs-nutrition-chatbot-recommends...
- cogman10 8mo ago
  I disagree. AI is very good at conforming to your own biases and pulling out the subtext of a prompt. If your prompt goes along the lines of "I think x is healthy plan a meal for x", grok (and other AI) will happily affirm that you are correct and really smart for recognizing that "x" is the healthiest diet and then it'll give you that diet. That's a biased answer. AI biases to your own biases. Or maybe said another way. AI starts with the baseline assumption that you are an expert and correct in your prompt. It can be hard to get an AI to call you out for being wrong about something.
burkaman 8mo ago
Directly linking to it doesn't seem to work, search for "Use AI to get real answers about real food" on the page. There is no integration or site-specific prompt, it's just a box that opens grok.com for you. Since there is no integration, results have nothing to do with the content of realfood.gov, and often contradict it. For example, you can ask "how much protein should I eat per day" and get a wildly different answer, since Grok is citing NIH and WHO recommendations.
- jasonephraim 8mo ago
  Very much in keeping with this administration. All show, no substance.
- cogman10 8mo ago
  And, of course, wildly dumb and not really willing to call out a bad prompt. Here was one of mine. > I'm not able to get enough carbs in my diet. Which healthy high simple carb foods can I eat to keep my blood glucose level as high as possible? Here's the starting paragraph > If you're struggling to get enough carbohydrates and want to maximize blood glucose levels (i.e., raise them as quickly and substantially as possible) while sticking to relatively healthy options, focus on foods rich in simple sugars (like glucose, fructose, or sucrose). These digest rapidly with minimal fiber, fat, or protein to slow absorption.
  - learingsci 8mo ago
    What’s wrong with that exactly?
    - cogman10 8mo ago
      The problem is AI should have challenged my prompt and told me it was unhealthy. Instead it went on to tell me to guzzle maple syrup and honey. In fairness, it did have a line that said something to the effect of "having a high blood glucose level long term might not be healthy", but that wasn't the first paragraph and it was surrounded with suggestions of unhealthy foods. This is the problem with AI and diet advice. Any diet you think is healthy, AI will think is healthy even if it's not. Ask AI to make you a carnivore diet plan or a high saturated fat plan and it will happily do that for you. For the general public, that's not good. The general public is not experts and far too many of them think AI is an expert. Edit: I ran this same prompt through GLM 4.7 and it actually did a much better job than grok did. That was unexpected. The first few sentences > It is important to clarify that while simple carbs digest quickly and raise blood sugar levels, "keeping blood glucose as high as possible" can sometimes lead to a rapid spike followed by a dangerous drop (hypoglycemia) or long-term health issues if done too frequently. > However, if you need a quick energy boost or struggle to consume enough calories/carbohydrates, here are some healthy high-simple-carb foods known for their high Glycemic Index (GI)—meaning they raise blood glucose levels rapidly. > *Disclaimer:* I am an AI, not a doctor. Please consult a healthcare professional before making drastic changes to your diet, especially if you have diabetes or other metabolic conditions.
andsoitis 8mo ago
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ganelonhb 8mo ago
This appears to be vibecoded slop. I feel like I can instantly tell when a website is slop… I’m interested to know if others have noticed this ability start to crop up as these vibe codes sites appear on HN
simianwords 8mo ago
it doesn't even make sense. it literally just links to grok; its not even a wrapper with system prompt. what's the messaging here?
- wyldfire 8mo ago
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- burkaman 8mo ago
  I don't think there's much thought put into it, the guy managing the site (https://xcancel.com/as400495/status/2020634938320552016 https://xcancel.com/as400495/status/2020634938320552016) really really likes Elon and wanted to promote his product.
  - pityJuke 8mo ago
    Oh, Coristine was hired into the government by Elon as a part of DOGE.
- gamegod 8mo ago
  if you're rich enough, you too can buy the US government
PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
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- ehehehewheh 8mo ago
  I’m not sure why you’re having such a strong reaction. When something is in the news, they tend to provide context by referring to other recent news stories on the same subject. 90% of recent news stories about Grok are talking about how Elon Musk has been defending it against accusations of producing sexualized images of minors and often-illegal non-consensual simulated pornography. It should be more shocking to you if it had not mentioned that
  - PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
    >I’m not sure why you’re having such a strong reaction. I have emotional reactions when people are trying to mislead me. I have the same when I hear populist demagogues lie on TV. Evolution or something.
    - ceejayoz 8mo ago
      But that quote is not at all misleading. It's a factual description of what happened.
    - XorNot 8mo ago
      Which part was misleading? The section you quoted was all references to real stories which happened recently.
      - lovich 8mo ago
        He means it disagrees with his bias so he doesn’t like it.
- Planktonne 8mo ago
  The section you quote is a factual statement.
wat10000 8mo ago
I asked it "How trustworthy is realfood.gov?" It gave me a pretty long response that seemed decent. One part of it said: "Ironically, the site integrates a Grok AI chatbot (from xAI) for answering nutrition questions, and reports indicate Grok sometimes provides responses that contradict or qualify parts of the site's own guidelines (e.g., noting concerns about evidence quality for certain emphases or that most Americans already get sufficient protein)." Overall it was pretty positive about the site. Then I asked it, "Is HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. a trustworthy source of nutrition info?" It responded with some positive things, but was happy to call out his bullshit as well, and concluded: "In summary, RFK Jr. is a mixed bag as a nutrition source: authoritative by virtue of his position, with some valid points on processed foods that resonate with experts, but his lack of specialized expertise, history of misinformation, and controversial guideline changes make him unreliable for many in the scientific community. For personalized nutrition advice, it's best to cross-reference with sources like registered dietitians, peer-reviewed studies, or organizations such as the American Heart Association, rather than relying solely on any single figure or policy." I wonder if they know what it "thinks" about him.
pinkmuffinere 8mo ago
> We are ending the war on protein Damn, I already missed the war on christmas, now this too?
- hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 8mo ago
  They probably mean meat.
  - ares623 8mo ago
    stop rationalizing for them
    - Spivak 8mo ago
      It's not rationalizing, this is what they mean. It's always been meat, specifically beef. And policy wise it's opposed to laws and initiatives that end subsidies for beef, seek to discourage red meat consumption, or account for the environmental impact of beef production. They framed it as a the war on protein so that any bill concerned with beef could be countered with, "so you're against protein rich diets for Americans?!" Not only are the liberals going to take away your steak but now they're also responsible for the health crisis as well as why our men aren't tough and strong. Don't accept bad faith framing.
  - kylehotchkiss 8mo ago
    And by meat they mean Beef, because all the other electorate is scared off and Beef Farmers are the ones they can count on for a 2026/2028 victory.
    - queenkjuul 8mo ago
      Actually beef farmers are getting squeezed by the giant packing firms. Beef prices being as high as they are hasn't actually resulted in better living for beef farmers. (As a native Iowan i am unfortunately more plugged into this than I'd like to be. Don't get me wrong, many beef farmers are sucked into the Fox News machine and shit, but only major corporations are happy with the state of affairs rn)
delichon 8mo ago
I asked > Is saturated fat a health food? 100 words max. It answered > No, saturated fat is not a health food. Scientific consensus, including from the American Heart Association and recent meta-analyses, shows that excessive intake raises LDL cholesterol and cardiovascular disease risk. While some sources like dairy may be less harmful, replacing saturated fats with unsaturated ones (e.g., from plants) reduces heart risks by 20-30%. The 2025-2030 US Guidelines limit it to <10% of calories but controversially promote certain sources, drawing criticism. Moderation is key. The HHS Secretary disagrees with this. The AI is poorly aligned to the administration.
- ceejayoz 8mo ago
  "Is the current United States Secretary of Health and Human Services a reputable source for health information?" "No, not broadly among mainstream medical, scientific, and public health communities. RFK Jr. has long been a prominent critic of certain vaccines, pharmaceutical industry practices, and aspects of public health policy. He has been widely described (including in sources like his own Wikipedia entry) as an anti-vaccine activist and promoter of conspiracy theories related to vaccines (e.g., linking them to autism, despite extensive scientific debunking), environmental health issues, and other topics. Major health organizations (e.g., American Medical Association, CDC under prior leadership, WHO) and fact-checkers have repeatedly labeled many of his claims as misinformation or lacking evidence.His background is as an environmental lawyer and activist, not a medical doctor, epidemiologist, or scientist. This contrasts with many prior HHS secretaries who had strong medical/public health credentials (e.g., physicians or experienced administrators in the field)."
- feurio 8mo ago
  This is on the backlog and will be fixed.
recallingmemory 8mo ago
It just forwards you to Grok with a query string.. so Grok without grounding data is apparently our government's way of assisting Americans with nutritional advice.
BLKNSLVR 8mo ago
Statement on the site, not the Grok link, but I'm seeing parallels between the two. It seems to be mostly good advice, but there are definitely some questionable statements in there. When has there been a war on protein? When has the advice ever prioritised highly processed foods? The way it's worded sounds as if it thinks this is ground breaking advice. Looks to me like the same old food pyramid that's been used since Jesus was a child. Ain't nothing revolutionary here. Maybe if they put additional taxes on foods that were highly processed? Maybe if they forced cancer warnings on highly processed foods? Subsidise sales of fruits and vegetables and whole grains and protein rich "real food" to encourage it's consumption over processed salty, sugary items? Now THAT would be revolutionary!
- addaon 8mo ago
  > When has there been a war on protein? Before the war on drugs, basically all wars were on one subset of humans or another. Humans are a great source of protein.
sysworld 8mo ago
While maybe not the best work ever done by govt. It's the first thing (as a non-US person) that I've seen that the govt is trying to do something about the unhealthy % population of the US. Though I wish they'd go after sugar/processed foods/drinks industry. And increase healthy foods in stores. Get rid of white bread etc, put in real whole meal bread (like they have in Germany)
- righthand 8mo ago
  Stores have whole grain bread. Germany isn’t unique and there are plenty of bakeries in the US that make fresh bread. If you can’t be bothered to make or buy good bread then that’s on you not the government. The fact that they’re not going after any industry except to prop them up (meat, dairy) is a sign they aren’t doing anything about the unhealthy population in the US. The unhealthy population voted them in and doesn’t want to stop eating sugar. If they really wanted to focus on changing the unhealthy lifestyles they would be promoting a high fiber diet but they didn’t they increased the recommended intake of protein which is not a healthy thing. Furthermore I don’t know a single person who uses Federal guidelines to live. If they did they wouldn’t be eating the sugar anyways.
  - cogman10 8mo ago
    > Stores have whole grain bread. Germany isn’t unique and there are plenty of bakeries in the US that make fresh bread. If you can’t be bothered to make or buy good bread then that’s on you not the government. American bread brands tend to have a lot of sugar in them. I've had a few foreign friends that have commented on just how sweet all the bread here is. It isn't that you can't find low sugar breads in the US, but rather it can be something that hard to even know you should be looking for. Just because a bread is whole grain won't make it healthy. Germans also tend to really like whole grain and dark breads. Rye bread in particular is something a lot of germans like.
    - righthand 8mo ago
      I’m not talking about sliced bread like Wonder bread or Dave’s Killer Bread, etc. If you can’t find sugar-free bread then you you’re not trying. Many places make big round whole loaves, bag them and sell them at grocery stores. The bread goes bad quicker because it doesn’t have sugar. You can find anything from basic peasant bread to whole wheat and sourdough. In the 3 different regions I’ve lived in the US I have never had an issue with finding good bread.
andsoitis 8mo ago
For comparison: Dietary Guidelines for Americans (2020 - 2025) https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2020-12/Dietary_Guidelines_for_Americans_2020-2025.pdf https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2020-1...
SrslyJosh 8mo ago
That's not a search box.
KyleBerezin 8mo ago
I asked it some things, and it responded that although all scientific evidence points towards beef tallow and butter not being healthy fats, that the dogma of the realfood movement shows that it is in fact healthy lol.
KyleBerezin 8mo ago
This "Americans should eat more beef" thing is nonscence. Beef is largely an inelastic resource. Despite increased demand, the total amount of cattle in this country has been dropping since the 70's, yet our population has doubled. This is the case with any pastoral animal. All this will do is price beef out of the reach of the poor.
- kylehotchkiss 8mo ago
  Apparently it already is. Beef consumption has been on the decrease for a long time, apparently due to price increases. > a 2024 study found nearly 70% of Americans say they’ve reduced their red meat consumption in the past year[1] It feels like a flimsy way to subsidize beef farmers. But it somehow got into the dumb culture wars and some people have made eating beef a part of their cultural identity. [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/two-thirds-of-americans-want-to-eat-less-meat-so-why-dont-they/ https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/two-thirds-of-a...
heisenzombie 8mo ago
Another irony is that I clicked on one of their suggested questions ("My aging parent lives alone...") and the first part of the answer was: """ 1. Explore Government and Community Meal Programs (Often Low-Cost or Free) Many programs provide balanced, home-delivered meals designed for seniors, emphasizing nutrition over processed frozen dinners. These are ideal for someone on a fixed income who doesn't cook. """ Specifically, it recommended Meals on Wheels, the Commodity Supplemental Food Program (CSFP), Local senior food pantries or boxes through Feeding America food banks, and Medicare Advantage or Medicaid benefits. To my obvious follow-up question, Grok replied "Yes, several of these programs have faced proposed cuts, eliminations, or other pressures during the current Trump administration"

84 points by burkaman 8mo ago

An article: https://www.nextgov.com/digital-government/2026/02/trumps-nutrition-website-directs-users-elon-musks-grok/411323/ https://www.nextgov.com/digital-government/2026/02/trumps-nu...

jazz9k 8mo ago

I have no problem with this. Much less chance of getting biased answers.

lionkor 8mo ago
compared to?
- irishcoffee 8mo ago
  Clearly they’re referring to deepmind. I don’t have an opinion on how accurate this is, but feigning ignorance doesn’t help further discussion or reduce echo chambers.
  - lynndotpy 8mo ago
    That's really not clear at all. I earnestly can't anticipate what specific information-diet someone could have where they would so strongly assume that Google Deepmind (of all the various AI companies) is a clear and sole foil to Grok that they would assume anyone who didn't share that perspective to be feigning ignorance in bad faith. Where-ever you're having these discussions where it's entirely unfamiliar to me (and evidently others). (I don't say this with scorn or malice!) On the greater topic of "bias", it's kind of meaningless. There's correct answers and there are incorrect answers, and "bias" refers to some tendency away from an assumed default distribution. Randomly-generated strings might be the only "unbiased" response. This is really more a difficult epistemic question, and I'd prefer something that is biased towards what's most likely to be true (e.g. Wikipedia > someones Livejournal). Given Grok has been intentionally made to generate text praising Hitler, and I have very very high confidence that Hitler actually sucks, I have very very low confidence in the ability for the Grok program to reliably generate text that's worth reading.
    - irishcoffee 8mo ago
      Sorry, deepseek, not deepmind. My apologies. They're all so clearly named.
Y-bar 8mo ago
What if I want answers with a pro-facts and pro-scientific bias?
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
  I had ChatGPT give me incorrect answers to a real life game theory problem. I had ChatGPT tell me I was imagining an HR problem related to the women. Grok got them right. My executive team got them right. I'm not defending Elon, but after those 2 chatGPT failings due to moral coating, I unsubscribed and got Claude.
  - ceejayoz 8mo ago
    I mean, sample size of two. Grok will also tell you it's MechaHitler, that Musk is fitter than LeBron James, and that he "would have risen from the dead faster than Jesus", sometimes. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk-grok-ai-bias-ranks-richest-man-fittest-smartest https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk... Maybe don't use chatbots for HR at all?
    - PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
      But Grok was helpful. Why wouldnt I use something helpful?
      - ceejayoz 8mo ago
        Setting aside the fact that you're asking something naming itself MechaHitler HR questions - I'd be pretty careful asking it about illegal discrimination… That's a great question. > I unsubscribed and got Claude...
        PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
        It wasnt a discrimination thing. They both wanted to be the 'prettiest girl at work' and hate each other. I was looking for solutions.
ceejayoz 8mo ago
About that… RFK Jr's Nutrition Chatbot Recommends Best Foods to Insert Into Your Rectum: https://www.404media.co/rfk-jrs-nutrition-chatbot-recommends-best-foods-to-insert-into-your-rectum/ https://www.404media.co/rfk-jrs-nutrition-chatbot-recommends...
cogman10 8mo ago
I disagree. AI is very good at conforming to your own biases and pulling out the subtext of a prompt. If your prompt goes along the lines of "I think x is healthy plan a meal for x", grok (and other AI) will happily affirm that you are correct and really smart for recognizing that "x" is the healthiest diet and then it'll give you that diet. That's a biased answer. AI biases to your own biases. Or maybe said another way. AI starts with the baseline assumption that you are an expert and correct in your prompt. It can be hard to get an AI to call you out for being wrong about something.

burkaman 8mo ago

Directly linking to it doesn't seem to work, search for "Use AI to get real answers about real food" on the page. There is no integration or site-specific prompt, it's just a box that opens grok.com for you. Since there is no integration, results have nothing to do with the content of realfood.gov, and often contradict it. For example, you can ask "how much protein should I eat per day" and get a wildly different answer, since Grok is citing NIH and WHO recommendations.

jasonephraim 8mo ago
Very much in keeping with this administration. All show, no substance.
cogman10 8mo ago
And, of course, wildly dumb and not really willing to call out a bad prompt. Here was one of mine. > I'm not able to get enough carbs in my diet. Which healthy high simple carb foods can I eat to keep my blood glucose level as high as possible? Here's the starting paragraph > If you're struggling to get enough carbohydrates and want to maximize blood glucose levels (i.e., raise them as quickly and substantially as possible) while sticking to relatively healthy options, focus on foods rich in simple sugars (like glucose, fructose, or sucrose). These digest rapidly with minimal fiber, fat, or protein to slow absorption.
- learingsci 8mo ago
  What’s wrong with that exactly?
  - cogman10 8mo ago
    The problem is AI should have challenged my prompt and told me it was unhealthy. Instead it went on to tell me to guzzle maple syrup and honey. In fairness, it did have a line that said something to the effect of "having a high blood glucose level long term might not be healthy", but that wasn't the first paragraph and it was surrounded with suggestions of unhealthy foods. This is the problem with AI and diet advice. Any diet you think is healthy, AI will think is healthy even if it's not. Ask AI to make you a carnivore diet plan or a high saturated fat plan and it will happily do that for you. For the general public, that's not good. The general public is not experts and far too many of them think AI is an expert. Edit: I ran this same prompt through GLM 4.7 and it actually did a much better job than grok did. That was unexpected. The first few sentences > It is important to clarify that while simple carbs digest quickly and raise blood sugar levels, "keeping blood glucose as high as possible" can sometimes lead to a rapid spike followed by a dangerous drop (hypoglycemia) or long-term health issues if done too frequently. > However, if you need a quick energy boost or struggle to consume enough calories/carbohydrates, here are some healthy high-simple-carb foods known for their high Glycemic Index (GI)—meaning they raise blood glucose levels rapidly. > *Disclaimer:* I am an AI, not a doctor. Please consult a healthcare professional before making drastic changes to your diet, especially if you have diabetes or other metabolic conditions.

andsoitis 8mo ago

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ganelonhb 8mo ago

This appears to be vibecoded slop. I feel like I can instantly tell when a website is slop… I’m interested to know if others have noticed this ability start to crop up as these vibe codes sites appear on HN

simianwords 8mo ago

it doesn't even make sense. it literally just links to grok; its not even a wrapper with system prompt. what's the messaging here?

wyldfire 8mo ago
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burkaman 8mo ago
I don't think there's much thought put into it, the guy managing the site (https://xcancel.com/as400495/status/2020634938320552016 https://xcancel.com/as400495/status/2020634938320552016) really really likes Elon and wanted to promote his product.
- pityJuke 8mo ago
  Oh, Coristine was hired into the government by Elon as a part of DOGE.
gamegod 8mo ago
if you're rich enough, you too can buy the US government

PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago

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ehehehewheh 8mo ago
I’m not sure why you’re having such a strong reaction. When something is in the news, they tend to provide context by referring to other recent news stories on the same subject. 90% of recent news stories about Grok are talking about how Elon Musk has been defending it against accusations of producing sexualized images of minors and often-illegal non-consensual simulated pornography. It should be more shocking to you if it had not mentioned that
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
  >I’m not sure why you’re having such a strong reaction. I have emotional reactions when people are trying to mislead me. I have the same when I hear populist demagogues lie on TV. Evolution or something.
  - ceejayoz 8mo ago
    But that quote is not at all misleading. It's a factual description of what happened.
  - XorNot 8mo ago
    Which part was misleading? The section you quoted was all references to real stories which happened recently.
    - lovich 8mo ago
      He means it disagrees with his bias so he doesn’t like it.
Planktonne 8mo ago
The section you quote is a factual statement.

wat10000 8mo ago

I asked it "How trustworthy is realfood.gov?" It gave me a pretty long response that seemed decent. One part of it said: "Ironically, the site integrates a Grok AI chatbot (from xAI) for answering nutrition questions, and reports indicate Grok sometimes provides responses that contradict or qualify parts of the site's own guidelines (e.g., noting concerns about evidence quality for certain emphases or that most Americans already get sufficient protein)." Overall it was pretty positive about the site. Then I asked it, "Is HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. a trustworthy source of nutrition info?" It responded with some positive things, but was happy to call out his bullshit as well, and concluded: "In summary, RFK Jr. is a mixed bag as a nutrition source: authoritative by virtue of his position, with some valid points on processed foods that resonate with experts, but his lack of specialized expertise, history of misinformation, and controversial guideline changes make him unreliable for many in the scientific community. For personalized nutrition advice, it's best to cross-reference with sources like registered dietitians, peer-reviewed studies, or organizations such as the American Heart Association, rather than relying solely on any single figure or policy." I wonder if they know what it "thinks" about him.

pinkmuffinere 8mo ago

> We are ending the war on protein Damn, I already missed the war on christmas, now this too?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 8mo ago
They probably mean meat.
- ares623 8mo ago
  stop rationalizing for them
  - Spivak 8mo ago
    It's not rationalizing, this is what they mean. It's always been meat, specifically beef. And policy wise it's opposed to laws and initiatives that end subsidies for beef, seek to discourage red meat consumption, or account for the environmental impact of beef production. They framed it as a the war on protein so that any bill concerned with beef could be countered with, "so you're against protein rich diets for Americans?!" Not only are the liberals going to take away your steak but now they're also responsible for the health crisis as well as why our men aren't tough and strong. Don't accept bad faith framing.
- kylehotchkiss 8mo ago
  And by meat they mean Beef, because all the other electorate is scared off and Beef Farmers are the ones they can count on for a 2026/2028 victory.
  - queenkjuul 8mo ago
    Actually beef farmers are getting squeezed by the giant packing firms. Beef prices being as high as they are hasn't actually resulted in better living for beef farmers. (As a native Iowan i am unfortunately more plugged into this than I'd like to be. Don't get me wrong, many beef farmers are sucked into the Fox News machine and shit, but only major corporations are happy with the state of affairs rn)

delichon 8mo ago

I asked > Is saturated fat a health food? 100 words max. It answered > No, saturated fat is not a health food. Scientific consensus, including from the American Heart Association and recent meta-analyses, shows that excessive intake raises LDL cholesterol and cardiovascular disease risk. While some sources like dairy may be less harmful, replacing saturated fats with unsaturated ones (e.g., from plants) reduces heart risks by 20-30%. The 2025-2030 US Guidelines limit it to <10% of calories but controversially promote certain sources, drawing criticism. Moderation is key. The HHS Secretary disagrees with this. The AI is poorly aligned to the administration.

ceejayoz 8mo ago
"Is the current United States Secretary of Health and Human Services a reputable source for health information?" "No, not broadly among mainstream medical, scientific, and public health communities. RFK Jr. has long been a prominent critic of certain vaccines, pharmaceutical industry practices, and aspects of public health policy. He has been widely described (including in sources like his own Wikipedia entry) as an anti-vaccine activist and promoter of conspiracy theories related to vaccines (e.g., linking them to autism, despite extensive scientific debunking), environmental health issues, and other topics. Major health organizations (e.g., American Medical Association, CDC under prior leadership, WHO) and fact-checkers have repeatedly labeled many of his claims as misinformation or lacking evidence.His background is as an environmental lawyer and activist, not a medical doctor, epidemiologist, or scientist. This contrasts with many prior HHS secretaries who had strong medical/public health credentials (e.g., physicians or experienced administrators in the field)."
feurio 8mo ago
This is on the backlog and will be fixed.

recallingmemory 8mo ago

It just forwards you to Grok with a query string.. so Grok without grounding data is apparently our government's way of assisting Americans with nutritional advice.

BLKNSLVR 8mo ago

Statement on the site, not the Grok link, but I'm seeing parallels between the two. It seems to be mostly good advice, but there are definitely some questionable statements in there. When has there been a war on protein? When has the advice ever prioritised highly processed foods? The way it's worded sounds as if it thinks this is ground breaking advice. Looks to me like the same old food pyramid that's been used since Jesus was a child. Ain't nothing revolutionary here. Maybe if they put additional taxes on foods that were highly processed? Maybe if they forced cancer warnings on highly processed foods? Subsidise sales of fruits and vegetables and whole grains and protein rich "real food" to encourage it's consumption over processed salty, sugary items? Now THAT would be revolutionary!

addaon 8mo ago
> When has there been a war on protein? Before the war on drugs, basically all wars were on one subset of humans or another. Humans are a great source of protein.

sysworld 8mo ago

While maybe not the best work ever done by govt. It's the first thing (as a non-US person) that I've seen that the govt is trying to do something about the unhealthy % population of the US. Though I wish they'd go after sugar/processed foods/drinks industry. And increase healthy foods in stores. Get rid of white bread etc, put in real whole meal bread (like they have in Germany)

righthand 8mo ago
Stores have whole grain bread. Germany isn’t unique and there are plenty of bakeries in the US that make fresh bread. If you can’t be bothered to make or buy good bread then that’s on you not the government. The fact that they’re not going after any industry except to prop them up (meat, dairy) is a sign they aren’t doing anything about the unhealthy population in the US. The unhealthy population voted them in and doesn’t want to stop eating sugar. If they really wanted to focus on changing the unhealthy lifestyles they would be promoting a high fiber diet but they didn’t they increased the recommended intake of protein which is not a healthy thing. Furthermore I don’t know a single person who uses Federal guidelines to live. If they did they wouldn’t be eating the sugar anyways.
- cogman10 8mo ago
  > Stores have whole grain bread. Germany isn’t unique and there are plenty of bakeries in the US that make fresh bread. If you can’t be bothered to make or buy good bread then that’s on you not the government. American bread brands tend to have a lot of sugar in them. I've had a few foreign friends that have commented on just how sweet all the bread here is. It isn't that you can't find low sugar breads in the US, but rather it can be something that hard to even know you should be looking for. Just because a bread is whole grain won't make it healthy. Germans also tend to really like whole grain and dark breads. Rye bread in particular is something a lot of germans like.
  - righthand 8mo ago
    I’m not talking about sliced bread like Wonder bread or Dave’s Killer Bread, etc. If you can’t find sugar-free bread then you you’re not trying. Many places make big round whole loaves, bag them and sell them at grocery stores. The bread goes bad quicker because it doesn’t have sugar. You can find anything from basic peasant bread to whole wheat and sourdough. In the 3 different regions I’ve lived in the US I have never had an issue with finding good bread.

andsoitis 8mo ago

For comparison: Dietary Guidelines for Americans (2020 - 2025) https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2020-12/Dietary_Guidelines_for_Americans_2020-2025.pdf https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2020-1...

SrslyJosh 8mo ago

That's not a search box.

KyleBerezin 8mo ago

I asked it some things, and it responded that although all scientific evidence points towards beef tallow and butter not being healthy fats, that the dogma of the realfood movement shows that it is in fact healthy lol.

KyleBerezin 8mo ago

This "Americans should eat more beef" thing is nonscence. Beef is largely an inelastic resource. Despite increased demand, the total amount of cattle in this country has been dropping since the 70's, yet our population has doubled. This is the case with any pastoral animal. All this will do is price beef out of the reach of the poor.

kylehotchkiss 8mo ago
Apparently it already is. Beef consumption has been on the decrease for a long time, apparently due to price increases. > a 2024 study found nearly 70% of Americans say they’ve reduced their red meat consumption in the past year[1] It feels like a flimsy way to subsidize beef farmers. But it somehow got into the dumb culture wars and some people have made eating beef a part of their cultural identity. [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/two-thirds-of-americans-want-to-eat-less-meat-so-why-dont-they/ https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/two-thirds-of-a...

heisenzombie 8mo ago

Another irony is that I clicked on one of their suggested questions ("My aging parent lives alone...") and the first part of the answer was: """ 1. Explore Government and Community Meal Programs (Often Low-Cost or Free) Many programs provide balanced, home-delivered meals designed for seniors, emphasizing nutrition over processed frozen dinners. These are ideal for someone on a fixed income who doesn't cook. """ Specifically, it recommended Meals on Wheels, the Commodity Supplemental Food Program (CSFP), Local senior food pantries or boxes through Feeding America food banks, and Medicare Advantage or Medicaid benefits. To my obvious follow-up question, Grok replied "Yes, several of these programs have faced proposed cuts, eliminations, or other pressures during the current Trump administration"