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I really reality wish rivian create a better self-driving technology soon and make a proper competition to tesla. Rivian cars are so nice and well designed.

api 8mo ago
Honestly just decent smart cruise and lane keeping is good enough. Concentrate on making a solid long range reliable EV is the best way to compete with Tesla in the short to medium term.
freetime2 8mo ago
Personally I'm in no rush to have self-driving capabilities in my car for at least another decade or so. I'm pretty happy with the current ADAS systems found in most cars like adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, and collision avoidance - and happy to just see incremental refinements to those systems. At some point I want a self-driving car, but I'm happy to let Waymo and Tesla users test those systems for another 10+ years before I personally start using them.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  Are you buying a car in the next 10 years? I’m in a similar boat. But I’m irrelevant to the car market because I’m not buying until I can buy a Level 4 car.
  - freetime2 8mo ago
    I just bought a new car, and will probably buy another 1-2 cars in the next 10 years. My ideal upgrade path for cars is: * I wanted my most recent purchase to be a PHEV * I want my next purchase in roughly 5 years to be an EV (hopefully solid state batteries are available by then) * In about 10 years I am hoping that I can buy a car that can self-drive most of my trips door-to-door One thing I'll add is that I live in an area that gets a ton of snow, and current ADAS features are basically worthless in snow. They all turn off once the sensors get covered in ice, or when lines in the road are no longer visible. So I expect that even in new cars 10 years from now, I'll still need to take the wheel to drive during winter. Basically the features are nice when they work, but I'm still going to want to car that is first and foremost designed to be driven by humans.
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > I live in an area that gets a ton of snow, and current ADAS features are basically worthless in snow I live in Western Wyoming. While my Subaru won't drive itself in a blizzard, the radar is still useful. My plan is to wait until I have something that can drive itself unsupervised in clear weather. Given that's Waymo today and maybe Tesla in ~5 years, I'm figuring something should be on the market that fits that bill within 10, which is how long I'll try to hold onto my gas-burnig Subaru.
      - nradov 8mo ago
        What radar? I'm pretty sure that Subaru uses only cameras, no radar. https://www.subaru.com/eyesight.html https://www.subaru.com/eyesight.html
        mortos 8mo ago
        Subaru almost certainly uses radars for both cruise control and blind spot detection. Your link isn't exactly a white paper, here's a Subaru link that mentions radar: https://www.subaru.com/vehicle-info/articles/what-is-adaptive-cruise-control.html https://www.subaru.com/vehicle-info/articles/what-is-adaptiv...
- n8henrie 8mo ago
  Agreed! But I have to say, lane centering and adaptive cruise control have been amazing, coming from a previous vehicle with neither.
- fluidcruft 8mo ago
  The main thing I think about self-driving is if it truly were self-driving and you could sleep in the car while it drives to a destination overnight. Even if it were only highways. That would be really cool.
  - nradov 8mo ago
    I can't sleep in a moving car anyway so that's of no value to me. If I'm going to be awake anyway then I might as well drive.
  - ta8903 8mo ago
    You mean like a bus?
    - fluidcruft 8mo ago
      Sure except you have your car when you get there, packing is more convenient and it follows you schedule and goes directly between your desired endpoints.
      - bch 8mo ago
        > you have your car when you get there Depending on the destination of course, I often find having a car in a city like having an albatross around my neck. The benefits or features get outweighed by traffic and parking. I'll take good public transit and a set of headphones.
- para_parolu 8mo ago
  Of course everyone has different needs. This is the reason why there are so many different makers and models. I commute a lot (100 miles a day) and tesla self driving is hard requirement. But almost everything else in car sucks compared to other cars. And compared to rivian it sucks big time. The moment rivian gets what tesla have now with fsd I will switch immediately. And some comments suggest rivian is working on that.
bee_rider 8mo ago
Self-driving seems like something where car companies shouldn’t all “reinvent the wheel.” A couple of the bigger car companies have projects on this, right? Maybe they could share.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > A couple of the bigger car companies have projects on this, right? Maybe they could share Why should they? We're already approaching geopolitical competition at this problem, given self-driving cars and self-driving self-propelled guns and the like are basically technological twins.
- paradox460 8mo ago
  It will probably follow the same pattern as ADAS. Bosch or someone will develop a package, sell it to car manufacturers, and it will become widespread
  - pants2 8mo ago
    Why aren't car manufacturers partnering with Comma when they're the closest competitor to Tesla's system? The Bosch systems are super basic.
DennisP 8mo ago
They're working on that. They're partnering with Nvidia and the R2 will get upgraded hardware for self driving in the fall. I couldn't tell from the website if making a reservation now lets you wait for that.

api 8mo ago

Honestly just decent smart cruise and lane keeping is good enough. Concentrate on making a solid long range reliable EV is the best way to compete with Tesla in the short to medium term.

freetime2 8mo ago

Personally I'm in no rush to have self-driving capabilities in my car for at least another decade or so. I'm pretty happy with the current ADAS systems found in most cars like adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, and collision avoidance - and happy to just see incremental refinements to those systems. At some point I want a self-driving car, but I'm happy to let Waymo and Tesla users test those systems for another 10+ years before I personally start using them.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
Are you buying a car in the next 10 years? I’m in a similar boat. But I’m irrelevant to the car market because I’m not buying until I can buy a Level 4 car.
- freetime2 8mo ago
  I just bought a new car, and will probably buy another 1-2 cars in the next 10 years. My ideal upgrade path for cars is: * I wanted my most recent purchase to be a PHEV * I want my next purchase in roughly 5 years to be an EV (hopefully solid state batteries are available by then) * In about 10 years I am hoping that I can buy a car that can self-drive most of my trips door-to-door One thing I'll add is that I live in an area that gets a ton of snow, and current ADAS features are basically worthless in snow. They all turn off once the sensors get covered in ice, or when lines in the road are no longer visible. So I expect that even in new cars 10 years from now, I'll still need to take the wheel to drive during winter. Basically the features are nice when they work, but I'm still going to want to car that is first and foremost designed to be driven by humans.
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > I live in an area that gets a ton of snow, and current ADAS features are basically worthless in snow I live in Western Wyoming. While my Subaru won't drive itself in a blizzard, the radar is still useful. My plan is to wait until I have something that can drive itself unsupervised in clear weather. Given that's Waymo today and maybe Tesla in ~5 years, I'm figuring something should be on the market that fits that bill within 10, which is how long I'll try to hold onto my gas-burnig Subaru.
    - nradov 8mo ago
      What radar? I'm pretty sure that Subaru uses only cameras, no radar. https://www.subaru.com/eyesight.html https://www.subaru.com/eyesight.html
      - mortos 8mo ago
        Subaru almost certainly uses radars for both cruise control and blind spot detection. Your link isn't exactly a white paper, here's a Subaru link that mentions radar: https://www.subaru.com/vehicle-info/articles/what-is-adaptive-cruise-control.html https://www.subaru.com/vehicle-info/articles/what-is-adaptiv...
n8henrie 8mo ago
Agreed! But I have to say, lane centering and adaptive cruise control have been amazing, coming from a previous vehicle with neither.
fluidcruft 8mo ago
The main thing I think about self-driving is if it truly were self-driving and you could sleep in the car while it drives to a destination overnight. Even if it were only highways. That would be really cool.
- nradov 8mo ago
  I can't sleep in a moving car anyway so that's of no value to me. If I'm going to be awake anyway then I might as well drive.
- ta8903 8mo ago
  You mean like a bus?
  - fluidcruft 8mo ago
    Sure except you have your car when you get there, packing is more convenient and it follows you schedule and goes directly between your desired endpoints.
    - bch 8mo ago
      > you have your car when you get there Depending on the destination of course, I often find having a car in a city like having an albatross around my neck. The benefits or features get outweighed by traffic and parking. I'll take good public transit and a set of headphones.
para_parolu 8mo ago
Of course everyone has different needs. This is the reason why there are so many different makers and models. I commute a lot (100 miles a day) and tesla self driving is hard requirement. But almost everything else in car sucks compared to other cars. And compared to rivian it sucks big time. The moment rivian gets what tesla have now with fsd I will switch immediately. And some comments suggest rivian is working on that.

bee_rider 8mo ago

Self-driving seems like something where car companies shouldn’t all “reinvent the wheel.” A couple of the bigger car companies have projects on this, right? Maybe they could share.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> A couple of the bigger car companies have projects on this, right? Maybe they could share Why should they? We're already approaching geopolitical competition at this problem, given self-driving cars and self-driving self-propelled guns and the like are basically technological twins.
paradox460 8mo ago
It will probably follow the same pattern as ADAS. Bosch or someone will develop a package, sell it to car manufacturers, and it will become widespread
- pants2 8mo ago
  Why aren't car manufacturers partnering with Comma when they're the closest competitor to Tesla's system? The Bosch systems are super basic.

DennisP 8mo ago

They're working on that. They're partnering with Nvidia and the R2 will get upgraded hardware for self driving in the fall. I couldn't tell from the website if making a reservation now lets you wait for that.