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I don't know about you, but I benefit so much from using Claude at work that I would gladly pay $1,500-$2,000 per month to keep using it.

galleywest200 8mo ago
That is more than one month rent for most of the world. Most people are simply not going to pay this.
- co_king_3 8mo ago
  Well then I'm sorry but unfortunately they are going to be left behind. People who are cut out to be software developers can afford the means of production.
  - actionfromafar 8mo ago
    Are you OpenAI? If not, you don't afford the means of production. You're the sharecropper.
  - mrbungie 8mo ago
    Pretty edgy response. I'd say trying to scale in price rather than in quantity is a bad business strategy for tech period, specially if you hope to become Google-sized like OpenAI and company want.
  - mirsadm 8mo ago
    Sure they can also code without the help of a model, probably not that much slower.
  - flir 8mo ago
    A $2k/month model, should it ever arise, won't need you.
    - Octoth0rpe 8mo ago
      I haven't looked at a cost analysis recently, but it's possible that we basically already have $2k/month models, if they were priced to be even slightly profitable.
  - DJBunnies 8mo ago
    Big yikes bro.
  - ekjhgkejhgk 8mo ago
    The people who own "the means of production" isn't you.
  - Waterluvian 8mo ago
    Your identity as real software developer relies on the community's broad, inclusive definition of what it means to be one. Something you're failing to extend to others. To be sitting that far out on a limb of software development while sawing at the branches of others is quite an interesting choice.
  - throwaway77385 8mo ago
    Things that can only be used by an exclusive elite don't tend to survive, unless we're talking super-yachts. AI is only going to work if enough people can actually meaningfully use it. Therefore, the monetisation model will have to adapt in ways that make it sustainable. OpenAI is experimenting with ads. Other companies will just subsidise the living daylights out of their solutions...and a few people will indeed run this stuff locally. Look at how slow the adoption of VR has been. And how badly Meta's gamble on the metaverse went. It's still too expensive for most people. Yes, a small elite can afford the necessary equipment, but that's not a petri dish on which one can grow a paradigm-shift. If only a few thousand people could afford [insert any invention here], that invention wouldn't be common-place nowadays. Now, the pyramid has sort of been turned on its head, in the sense that things nowadays don't start expensive and then become cheaper, but instead start cheap and then become...something else, be that more expensive or riddled with ads. But there are limits to this. > People who are cut out to be software developers You mean the people AI is going to replace? What's the definition of 'cut out to be' here?
    - bigbadfeline 8mo ago
      > Now, the pyramid has sort of been turned on its head, It has, and the financial system enables that, the self-restraint that was promised at the time of gutting Glass-Steagall never materialized. > But there are limits to this. Yes and no. Yes, because there are limits as there's a limit to the load placed on a ship, if you overload it with some cargo, something or somebody must be thrown overboard in order to preserve the ship. No, because those who're responsible for loading and overloading the ship are the ones commanding and steering it. When they overload the ship they get to throw you overboard and keep your stuff too... there's nothing to compel them to stay within limits and everything to tempt them to do the opposite. We've been already thrown overboard with regard to hardware purchases, that will spread to other areas with the BS AI excuse. So many comments, other than yours, around here engage in deep thinking about the profits or losses of Captain Ahab... they miss the point entirely.
      - throwaway77385 8mo ago
        Salient point, regarding the 'no' bit. I agree completely. But since I was responding to a likely troll, there wasn't much point elaborating further. Thanks for the added information :)
  - vultour 8mo ago
    This is such a hilarious out of touch SV techbro comment I can't believe it's real. You're a monkey with a computer that knows how to Google, there's an endless amount of people who can replace you.
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  - ekjhgkejhgk 8mo ago
    LOL you think you own the means of production? People who own the means of production own the company, which hires the board which hires the CEO who hires the executives who hire the manager who hires you. You think the people who own the means of production code? If you code you're closer to a bricklayer than to owning anything.
- wongarsu 8mo ago
  My rent is less than that. But if you add up salary, payroll taxes, benefits, social security etc my employer still spends around four times that amount on employing me. More if you include misc overheads associated with having one more employee. Personally I could never afford 1500-2000€/month for dev tooling, but my employer should rationally be willing to spend that for anything that makes me more than 25% more effective. I'm not sure today's Claude Code could ask for that. But I don't think it would be a crazy goal for them to work towards
  - sarchertech 8mo ago
    There have been many many productivity improvements over the last 50 years that provided more than a 25% boost. I’ve yet to see an employer pay that much per employee for any of them. Also a 25% boost per individual doesn’t necessarily equal a 25% boost to the final output if there are other bottlenecks.
nightski 8mo ago
At that cost I'd just buy some GPUs and run a local model though. Maybe a couple RTX 6000s.
- fishpham 8mo ago
  Those won’t be sufficient to run SOTA/trillion parameter models
  - Zambyte 8mo ago
    And most tasks don't demand that.
  - general1465 8mo ago
    Distilled models are good enough.
- gbnwl 8mo ago
  Same but I imagine once prices start rising the prices of GPUs that can run any decent local models will soar (again) as well. You and I wouldn’t be the only person with this idea right?
  - general1465 8mo ago
    I mean, will it? I would expect that all those GPUs and servers will ends up somewhere. Look on old Xeon servers, it all ended up in China. Nobody sane will buy 1U serve home, but Chinese has recycled these servers by making X99 motherboards which takes RAMs and Xeon CPUs from these noise servers and turning into PCs. I would expect that they could sell something like AI computers with lot of GPU power created from similar recycled GPU clusters ussed today.
- organsnyder 8mo ago
  That's about as much as my Framework Desktop cost (thankful that I bought it before all the supply craziness we're seeing across the industry). In the relatively small amount of time I've spent tinkering with it, I've used a local LLM to do some real tasks. It's not as powerful as Claude, but given the immaturity in the local LLM space—on both the hardware and software side—I think it has real potential. Cloud services have a head-start for quite a few reasons, but I really think we could see local LLMs coming into their own over the next 3-5 years.
clownpenis_fart 8mo ago
I use my brain, it's free
- co_king_3 8mo ago
  Fitting response for an account called "clownpenis_fart". The future is here and it's time to stop ignoring it. Your analog 1x productivity is worthless in comparison to my AI backed 10x productivity.
  - throwaway77385 8mo ago
    Yuck. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Honestly, if you just made your profile a day ago to yell overly confident and meaningless statements into the void, like a Mandrill in the jungle trying to shout over all the others, go back to LinkedIn, they like that kind of stuff there. I even agree that AI has a place in our world and can greatly increase productivity. But we should talk about the how and why, instead of attacking others ad hominem and just stopping any discourse with absolutist nonsense.
  - sarchertech 8mo ago
    10x productivity means you should have had time to build an your own programming language/OS/integrated dev environment or something equally impressive. Can you link to it?
  - Der_Einzige 8mo ago
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galleywest200 8mo ago

That is more than one month rent for most of the world. Most people are simply not going to pay this.

co_king_3 8mo ago
Well then I'm sorry but unfortunately they are going to be left behind. People who are cut out to be software developers can afford the means of production.
- actionfromafar 8mo ago
  Are you OpenAI? If not, you don't afford the means of production. You're the sharecropper.
- mrbungie 8mo ago
  Pretty edgy response. I'd say trying to scale in price rather than in quantity is a bad business strategy for tech period, specially if you hope to become Google-sized like OpenAI and company want.
- mirsadm 8mo ago
  Sure they can also code without the help of a model, probably not that much slower.
- flir 8mo ago
  A $2k/month model, should it ever arise, won't need you.
  - Octoth0rpe 8mo ago
    I haven't looked at a cost analysis recently, but it's possible that we basically already have $2k/month models, if they were priced to be even slightly profitable.
- DJBunnies 8mo ago
  Big yikes bro.
- ekjhgkejhgk 8mo ago
  The people who own "the means of production" isn't you.
- Waterluvian 8mo ago
  Your identity as real software developer relies on the community's broad, inclusive definition of what it means to be one. Something you're failing to extend to others. To be sitting that far out on a limb of software development while sawing at the branches of others is quite an interesting choice.
- throwaway77385 8mo ago
  Things that can only be used by an exclusive elite don't tend to survive, unless we're talking super-yachts. AI is only going to work if enough people can actually meaningfully use it. Therefore, the monetisation model will have to adapt in ways that make it sustainable. OpenAI is experimenting with ads. Other companies will just subsidise the living daylights out of their solutions...and a few people will indeed run this stuff locally. Look at how slow the adoption of VR has been. And how badly Meta's gamble on the metaverse went. It's still too expensive for most people. Yes, a small elite can afford the necessary equipment, but that's not a petri dish on which one can grow a paradigm-shift. If only a few thousand people could afford [insert any invention here], that invention wouldn't be common-place nowadays. Now, the pyramid has sort of been turned on its head, in the sense that things nowadays don't start expensive and then become cheaper, but instead start cheap and then become...something else, be that more expensive or riddled with ads. But there are limits to this. > People who are cut out to be software developers You mean the people AI is going to replace? What's the definition of 'cut out to be' here?
  - bigbadfeline 8mo ago
    > Now, the pyramid has sort of been turned on its head, It has, and the financial system enables that, the self-restraint that was promised at the time of gutting Glass-Steagall never materialized. > But there are limits to this. Yes and no. Yes, because there are limits as there's a limit to the load placed on a ship, if you overload it with some cargo, something or somebody must be thrown overboard in order to preserve the ship. No, because those who're responsible for loading and overloading the ship are the ones commanding and steering it. When they overload the ship they get to throw you overboard and keep your stuff too... there's nothing to compel them to stay within limits and everything to tempt them to do the opposite. We've been already thrown overboard with regard to hardware purchases, that will spread to other areas with the BS AI excuse. So many comments, other than yours, around here engage in deep thinking about the profits or losses of Captain Ahab... they miss the point entirely.
    - throwaway77385 8mo ago
      Salient point, regarding the 'no' bit. I agree completely. But since I was responding to a likely troll, there wasn't much point elaborating further. Thanks for the added information :)
- vultour 8mo ago
  This is such a hilarious out of touch SV techbro comment I can't believe it's real. You're a monkey with a computer that knows how to Google, there's an endless amount of people who can replace you.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- ekjhgkejhgk 8mo ago
  LOL you think you own the means of production? People who own the means of production own the company, which hires the board which hires the CEO who hires the executives who hire the manager who hires you. You think the people who own the means of production code? If you code you're closer to a bricklayer than to owning anything.
wongarsu 8mo ago
My rent is less than that. But if you add up salary, payroll taxes, benefits, social security etc my employer still spends around four times that amount on employing me. More if you include misc overheads associated with having one more employee. Personally I could never afford 1500-2000€/month for dev tooling, but my employer should rationally be willing to spend that for anything that makes me more than 25% more effective. I'm not sure today's Claude Code could ask for that. But I don't think it would be a crazy goal for them to work towards
- sarchertech 8mo ago
  There have been many many productivity improvements over the last 50 years that provided more than a 25% boost. I’ve yet to see an employer pay that much per employee for any of them. Also a 25% boost per individual doesn’t necessarily equal a 25% boost to the final output if there are other bottlenecks.

nightski 8mo ago

At that cost I'd just buy some GPUs and run a local model though. Maybe a couple RTX 6000s.

fishpham 8mo ago
Those won’t be sufficient to run SOTA/trillion parameter models
- Zambyte 8mo ago
  And most tasks don't demand that.
- general1465 8mo ago
  Distilled models are good enough.
gbnwl 8mo ago
Same but I imagine once prices start rising the prices of GPUs that can run any decent local models will soar (again) as well. You and I wouldn’t be the only person with this idea right?
- general1465 8mo ago
  I mean, will it? I would expect that all those GPUs and servers will ends up somewhere. Look on old Xeon servers, it all ended up in China. Nobody sane will buy 1U serve home, but Chinese has recycled these servers by making X99 motherboards which takes RAMs and Xeon CPUs from these noise servers and turning into PCs. I would expect that they could sell something like AI computers with lot of GPU power created from similar recycled GPU clusters ussed today.
organsnyder 8mo ago
That's about as much as my Framework Desktop cost (thankful that I bought it before all the supply craziness we're seeing across the industry). In the relatively small amount of time I've spent tinkering with it, I've used a local LLM to do some real tasks. It's not as powerful as Claude, but given the immaturity in the local LLM space—on both the hardware and software side—I think it has real potential. Cloud services have a head-start for quite a few reasons, but I really think we could see local LLMs coming into their own over the next 3-5 years.

clownpenis_fart 8mo ago

I use my brain, it's free

co_king_3 8mo ago
Fitting response for an account called "clownpenis_fart". The future is here and it's time to stop ignoring it. Your analog 1x productivity is worthless in comparison to my AI backed 10x productivity.
- throwaway77385 8mo ago
  Yuck. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Honestly, if you just made your profile a day ago to yell overly confident and meaningless statements into the void, like a Mandrill in the jungle trying to shout over all the others, go back to LinkedIn, they like that kind of stuff there. I even agree that AI has a place in our world and can greatly increase productivity. But we should talk about the how and why, instead of attacking others ad hominem and just stopping any discourse with absolutist nonsense.
- sarchertech 8mo ago
  10x productivity means you should have had time to build an your own programming language/OS/integrated dev environment or something equally impressive. Can you link to it?
- Der_Einzige 8mo ago
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