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That is the uncharitable interpretation. I think it is at least as likely that voters consistently get to chose between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, so

That is the uncharitable interpretation. I think it is at least as likely that voters consistently get to chose between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, so it will always be possible to accuse them of preferring a terrible candidate. Also, nitpick: it was neither a majority of the public, or a majority of the eligible voting population, or even a majority of the people who voted. I think a really good first step, at least in the US, towards making our candidate selection better would be to mandate open primaries.

Gigachad 8mo ago
I think your interpretation is uncharitable. One of the options is a fraud and a pedophile and the other wasn’t. They absolutely were not equally bad.
- DaSHacka 8mo ago
  You're right, the other was Kamala Harris, who was far worse.
- rootusrootus 8mo ago
  I think he's guilty, and even so I don't believe we actually have anything that proves him a pedophile any more than Bill Clinton, for example. Continuing to call him a pedo just looks like more partisan politics, which uninterested people (who still bother to vote) tune out. Dems need to figure out how to run more interesting candidates. In 2024 they thought everyone wanted status quo, and it turns out that as housing prices go up and up, along with wages staying flat, people want to blow things up. And Trump seems to be that guy for them.
  - thrance 8mo ago
    We absolutely have proof that Trump is, in fact, a pedophile. Still doubting that is weirdly delusional, more probably plainly dishonest. > Continuing to call him a pedo just looks like more partisan politics, which uninterested people (who still bother to vote) tune out. Exactly the contrary is true. The Epstein stuff has caused an unprecedented dip in Trump's popularity. The more it's talked about the angrier the people get at him and his friends. > Dems need to figure out how to run more interesting candidates. Indeed, here's hoping for a true Democratic Tea Party, let progressives run the show. They've proved more than capable of motivating the masses, in New York and other places...
Jcampuzano2 8mo ago
This is the most uncharitable take and common of the people who try to play the middle or wave away their decision to vote for Trump. The decision was quite literally between a known criminal and already even at the time known to be likely pedophile (and now it's basically a fact) and someone who is none of that.
- rootusrootus 8mo ago
  In my case it is a charitable take of someone who appreciates that painting his political opponents as evil incarnate is not going to bring about a political change. There is nuance in how people form their ideological priorities and how they end up making the final decision on who to vote for. Recognizing that is very important if we want to, you know, win any more elections. Trump would be approximately dead last for my vote if you gave me an arbitrarily long list of terrible candidates. The dems consistently push everyone even a little bit impure from their coalition, which is why they have had difficulties winning slam-dunk elections. And instead of calling everyone who voted from Trump evil or stupid, they refuse to look in the mirror and see if there is anything they could change about their own pitch that would make it more appealing.
  - Jcampuzano2 8mo ago
    Sorry but if you claim to be from the party of law and order and vote in a criminal, I have no issues calling those people stupid and evil. It wasn't like Trump just had some petty past crime on his hands and had turned a new leaf.
ActorNightly 8mo ago
>a turd sandwich and a giant douche Ah yes, the famous conservative talking point of "well yeah, my side is bad, but your side is just as bad". From a pure performance standard across economy and quality of life, its pretty clear that Democratic policies always end up as net positive, while conservative policies may seem good in the short term but allways end up bad long term. But to see this you have to understand politics, and understand the effects aren't always immediate. However, the situation this time around is way simpler. Basically in 2016, you could be excused for voting for Trump. Things were going well enough that mattered, Hilary was not the best candidate, and maybe a little mix up needed to happen. In 2020, if you voted for Trump, you are absolutely clueless about politics and have no idea what is actually good for the country, but at least its all political reasons. In 2024, it wasn't about politics - it was a choice between either allowing a convicted felon who tried to overthrow US government (with Supreme Courts saying he did nothing wrong mind you) back into a position of power, or not. As it turns out 7/10 people who either voted for trump or didn't vote are ok with the rich and elite getting away with what they want. So generally when people act surprised about anything that happens in regards to Einstein or any other things that Trump will do, like interfere with elections and possibly go for third term, just remember that those people don't actually care. This is what they want.
- socalgal2 8mo ago
  > From a pure performance standard across economy and quality of life, its pretty clear that Democratic policies always end up as net positive, All one has to do is point at San Francisco as this us provably false. Dems have been in charge their for decades and it's arguably not working.
  - ikiris 8mo ago
    It’s not working so hard people pay millions just to live there.
    - Saline9515 8mo ago
      People do because of the economic activity, not the pristine management of the city.

Gigachad 8mo ago

I think your interpretation is uncharitable. One of the options is a fraud and a pedophile and the other wasn’t. They absolutely were not equally bad.

DaSHacka 8mo ago
You're right, the other was Kamala Harris, who was far worse.
rootusrootus 8mo ago
I think he's guilty, and even so I don't believe we actually have anything that proves him a pedophile any more than Bill Clinton, for example. Continuing to call him a pedo just looks like more partisan politics, which uninterested people (who still bother to vote) tune out. Dems need to figure out how to run more interesting candidates. In 2024 they thought everyone wanted status quo, and it turns out that as housing prices go up and up, along with wages staying flat, people want to blow things up. And Trump seems to be that guy for them.
- thrance 8mo ago
  We absolutely have proof that Trump is, in fact, a pedophile. Still doubting that is weirdly delusional, more probably plainly dishonest. > Continuing to call him a pedo just looks like more partisan politics, which uninterested people (who still bother to vote) tune out. Exactly the contrary is true. The Epstein stuff has caused an unprecedented dip in Trump's popularity. The more it's talked about the angrier the people get at him and his friends. > Dems need to figure out how to run more interesting candidates. Indeed, here's hoping for a true Democratic Tea Party, let progressives run the show. They've proved more than capable of motivating the masses, in New York and other places...

Jcampuzano2 8mo ago

This is the most uncharitable take and common of the people who try to play the middle or wave away their decision to vote for Trump. The decision was quite literally between a known criminal and already even at the time known to be likely pedophile (and now it's basically a fact) and someone who is none of that.

rootusrootus 8mo ago
In my case it is a charitable take of someone who appreciates that painting his political opponents as evil incarnate is not going to bring about a political change. There is nuance in how people form their ideological priorities and how they end up making the final decision on who to vote for. Recognizing that is very important if we want to, you know, win any more elections. Trump would be approximately dead last for my vote if you gave me an arbitrarily long list of terrible candidates. The dems consistently push everyone even a little bit impure from their coalition, which is why they have had difficulties winning slam-dunk elections. And instead of calling everyone who voted from Trump evil or stupid, they refuse to look in the mirror and see if there is anything they could change about their own pitch that would make it more appealing.
- Jcampuzano2 8mo ago
  Sorry but if you claim to be from the party of law and order and vote in a criminal, I have no issues calling those people stupid and evil. It wasn't like Trump just had some petty past crime on his hands and had turned a new leaf.

ActorNightly 8mo ago

>a turd sandwich and a giant douche Ah yes, the famous conservative talking point of "well yeah, my side is bad, but your side is just as bad". From a pure performance standard across economy and quality of life, its pretty clear that Democratic policies always end up as net positive, while conservative policies may seem good in the short term but allways end up bad long term. But to see this you have to understand politics, and understand the effects aren't always immediate. However, the situation this time around is way simpler. Basically in 2016, you could be excused for voting for Trump. Things were going well enough that mattered, Hilary was not the best candidate, and maybe a little mix up needed to happen. In 2020, if you voted for Trump, you are absolutely clueless about politics and have no idea what is actually good for the country, but at least its all political reasons. In 2024, it wasn't about politics - it was a choice between either allowing a convicted felon who tried to overthrow US government (with Supreme Courts saying he did nothing wrong mind you) back into a position of power, or not. As it turns out 7/10 people who either voted for trump or didn't vote are ok with the rich and elite getting away with what they want. So generally when people act surprised about anything that happens in regards to Einstein or any other things that Trump will do, like interfere with elections and possibly go for third term, just remember that those people don't actually care. This is what they want.

socalgal2 8mo ago
> From a pure performance standard across economy and quality of life, its pretty clear that Democratic policies always end up as net positive, All one has to do is point at San Francisco as this us provably false. Dems have been in charge their for decades and it's arguably not working.
- ikiris 8mo ago
  It’s not working so hard people pay millions just to live there.
  - Saline9515 8mo ago
    People do because of the economic activity, not the pristine management of the city.