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The world heard JD Vance being booed at the Olympics. Except for viewers in USA
- blell 9mo ago> The real risk for American broadcasters is not that dissent will be visible. It is that audiences will start assuming anything they do not show is being hidden Kinda daft not to assume this has been the case for a long time already
- Twirrim 9mo agoThe opening ceremony for the London 2012 Olympics included a celebration of the National Health Service, which got mysteriously cut from the broadcast in the US, at a time when there was a bunch of fuss over Obamacare that had come into effect a year or two before. Was hard not to imagine that was a deliberate choice.
- dboreham 9mo agoDrug companies and insurers are big advertisers.
- alextingle 9mo agoThat's insane.
- red-iron-pine 9mo agolook at the Fortune 500, and notice how many of them are top 10, or top 50 many of the US' problems can be figured out simply by looking at this list
- atoav 9mo agoWell the "no censorship!"-crowd in rhe US has been strangly focused on the censorship of racists, bigots and nazis. I don't think they consider censorship that benefits the Neo-feudalist lords as censorship.
- johnnyanmac 9mo agoThe naive part of me these past years was thinking that calling out contradictions would bring shame and reflection to these people. It's still important to call them out for all the onlookers, but he goal in suc discussions should not be to try and convince the other party in these cases. They at best don't care and are going all on vibes, and at worst knowingly contradict because their goal is also onlookers.
- wtcactus 9mo ago[flagged]
- whycombigator 9mo agoEvery Brit has used the NHS multiple times. It's far from perfect but no propaganda is ever required, just direct experience.
- wtcactus 9mo agoEvery Brit has also used a Pub multiple times. Let’s nacionalize them and make them “free”.
- johnnyanmac 9mo agoI don't think anyone will complain about a cheap federally funded bar. And if they do they still have their fancy expensive bar to go to. So what's the problem here?
- wookmaster 9mo agoWhat a lousy try at an argument
- giacomoforte 9mo agoThe NHS is a bit like the NRA in the US. Politicians and rich folk would ideally do away with it, but they cannot, so they have to play lip service to gain favour with the public. So its not propaganda in the way you are thinking of.
- cjbenedikt 9mo agoWhat a mental stretch to compare a free life saving organisation with a organisation that supports guns to kill with. Seriously?
- johneth 9mo ago
- riedel 9mo agoEven if a large conspiracy isn't involved, I believe that biases in worldview can contribute to these effects. However, I still think it's important to inform people of things they might be missing and hold media accountable for their choices, regardless of whether those choices are random or unknowingly biasedWe need to be careful not to fall into the allure of "fake media" in our outrage, as this could ultimately benefit populists in the long run.
- tim333 9mo agoThey might have just thought it a bit boring? You can check it out - the first couple of minutes here of people in nurse costumes standing by beds and moving around a bit. Not really must see stuff. https://youtu.be/ReJjvlipXpM https://youtu.be/ReJjvlipXpM
- kcplate 9mo agoI’m in the US and I saw it and recall thinking it was a strange thing to specifically celebrate in the Olympic opening ceremonies. But to each their own.
- vizzier 9mo agoLook again at the insurmountable hill that is the US's potential transition to a fully public healthcare system, and consider that celebrating having done that elsewhere might be valid.
- beAbU 9mo agoThe NHS is the UK's one and only True and Universal Religion, and it's quintessentially british, like Mr Bean, crumpets and the queen. Not celebrating the NHS during the London Olympics opening is akin to blasphemy. Maybe it was cut for some international broadcasts because not everyone will understand.
- rippeltippel 9mo ago> audiences will start assuming anything they do not show is being hidden Will they? Possibly a portion of them, but I doubt they'll be the majority.
- MaxPock 9mo agoLooks like Americans are adopting Chinese censorship methods. You won't see it thus it never happened.
- padjo 9mo agoThis website is one of the biggest culprits
- blurbleblurble 9mo agoNo kidding
- whilenot-dev 9mo agoCare to elaborate? I have showdead set to yes, and while so some articles get a gray color and an occasional [flagged] tag, everything is still searchable[0]. The only form of censorship is the ordering in the news list, but I could pick any other list[1] if I wanted to. [0]: https://hn.algolia.com/ https://hn.algolia.com/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/lists https://news.ycombinator.com/lists
- padjo 9mo agoThis thread will immediately disappear off the front page once some Americans wake up.
- whilenot-dev 9mo agoFYI [flagged] articles are still present on the front[0] list. I'd suggest you check out the active[1] or the newest[2] list instead. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/front https://news.ycombinator.com/front [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
- johnnyanmac 9mo ago
- RedShift1 9mo agoThese american news companies are so goddamn spineless.
- nielsbot 9mo agomoney is on the line
- general1465 9mo agoShort term gain for long term loss
- fuzzfactor 9mo agoShort term gain of money in exchange for for short term loss of democracy.
- kelvinjps 9mo agoWouldn't show that create vitality and more money? Or it's more of fear, I think the spineless adjective stands
- Schmerika 9mo agoHey guess what forum flagged this story.
- treetalker 9mo agohttps://archive.ph/s7XuC https://archive.ph/s7XuC
- wolfi1 9mo agomy question is more technical: how did the blot out the booing? and: how live was it in the US? from the Academy Awards we know that they have a 5s delay (following the Michael Moore incident), but what is it with olympics broadcast?
- sparrc 9mo agoWhile they do show it live, it's in the middle of the workday, so almost everyone in the USA will have watched it delayed by many hours at "prime time", aka around 8pm local time in each zone. That being said, I'm in the US and I heard boos on the delayed broadcast.
- kkarpkkarp 9mo agoJust checked what Moore has done and found that quote of him (about Bush): > “we live in fictitious times with a fictitious president” it was 2003, but oh, dear Michael, if only you knew what the future would be like...
- wolfi1 9mo agoit was his Oscar for Bowling for Columbine
- ralph84 9mo agoThe audio engineers are monitoring multiple mics (for an event of this magnitude probably dozens) and increasing or decreasing volume on them in real time for the mix that goes on the air. Standard for any sports broadcast.
- runjake 9mo agoI’m a viewer in the USA and I heard the boos. They didn’t sound edited out. What did I do wrong?
- seanmcdirmid 9mo agoYou aren’t one of the few Americans who watched the opening ceremony on over the air NBC.
- roryirvine 9mo agoYou make it sound like NBC is some sort of obscure specialist service, but it turns out that they're actually a mainstream national broadcaster, available not just over the air but also on just about every satellite, cable, and streaming provider in the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC Not only that, but they're the official Olympic broadcaster in the USA! Around 22m watched it on their broadcast services, and a further 3m on streaming. In reality, an overwhelming majority of Americans watching the opening ceremony were doing so via NBC.
- seanmcdirmid 9mo agoThe opening ceremony in real time? I’d be surprised if they have double digit viewership numbers, let alone “most Americans”.
- johnnyanmac 9mo agoYou're surprised sports in America has high viewership? Yes, the #1 reason people still have cables these days is for athletics.
- _i1gd 9mo agoYou obviously don’t understand the role of sports in American culture. Or how the major television networks operate.
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- zkmon 9mo agoSome USA (and western) viewers even believe that Putin can't speak, because they never saw him speaking.
- wewxjfq 9mo agoWeird, I remember Western media ran full transcripts of his speech after the Ukraine invasion and every other time he crawled out of his bunker in the Urals. Would you like to enlighten us which important viewpoints of Putin get censored in the West?
- whycombigator 9mo agoOrganic lie generating machine not given airtime shocker...
- zkmon 9mo agoIf you are expecting leaders of countries and media to be truth-telling machines, sure, you are in shocker. Stay tuned to your truth machines.
- cadamsdotcom 9mo agoCitation needed.. really sorry to say it because there are plenty of things to say about the current US administration. It feels like people inventing this story, farming for followers on socials by manufacturing outrage. And a close read of the article will uncover that it was denied by the networks. This needs a deeper dig before opinions be formed - especially given the vehement denials of manipulation by the broadcasters. But until then, citation needed.
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- CrzyLngPwd 9mo agoHow very DPRK of them.
- tkel 9mo agovery American thing happens in America - "Wow, this is like those other bad countries!"
- sizzleflip5000 9mo agoPeople in the US heard the boos, as evidenced by the comments and others posting about it. All politicians get booed. But how many? And who controls the mics? The editing? The news press? More anti-American propaganda on HN. Why does this keep happening? This is not news, nor is it relevant for HN.
- atoav 9mo agoHackers care about the truth. I don't think many here would consider the censorship of a US head of state being inherently pro-US (or the criticism of said censorship to be anti-US). But feel free to elaborate why you feel wanting the US population to be able to see how their political leadership is perceived elsewhere is "anti-US" — cause I would describe it as the exact opposite.
- sizzleflip5000 9mo agoAmericans - and citizens of all big countries - know their leadership isn't popular everywhere, especially when other governments disagree with them on increasingly more issues (UK and French censorship of speech being one of them, ironically). Seeing the 100th "U.S. government bad - please believe us this time" story from yet another activist-masquerading-as-journalist post from The Guardian (UK) ending up on the same website where technologists discuss innovations in tech and science is the real travesty here.
- watwut 9mo agoIt is unusual to be booed at olympic.
- orwin 9mo agoI'll have to ask my brother but that might be NBC's audio engineer decision, or even his default settings (depending on the broadcaster voice). I'm as critical as the US as they come, in fact I just cancelled my summer trip to the Appalachia, but seeing this as censorship is reading a bit too far, simpler explanations exist (crowd noises are dimmed by audio filters)
- inemesitaffia 9mo agoSomeone in the US says they heard it. Another watching Eurosport said they didn't. Who to believe?
- m00nsome 9mo agoGermany here - I also could not hear it. I was wandering though that there was no reaction from the crowd. So that explains it.
- orwin 9mo agoBoth? It is very likely the 'booh' were cut by the broadcaster filters. Each broadcaster (at least in my country) has a 'sound identity' (it's a literal translation, sorry) and use filters during live shows. It originally come from AM radio where your sound is _very_ compressed, to FM radio where you still have to compress it, but with more range. My state radio would have captured and diffused the 'booh' while on the music radio I used to listen to as a kid, they definitely would have been dampened (most of them would have been caught by the 'passe-haut/coupe-bas'). I listened to the US broadcast, definitely dampened, I'm not sure if it's a default filter or one that triggers with the broadcaster, it is extremely likely it isn't intentional. My Bayesian ass is 95% sure.
- casey2 9mo agoPeople from the US are totally unaware that their leaders are unpopular abroad! If only traditional media didn't have such a stranglehold on the US population The people would know they would... I fail to see the point of pushing this narrative. Has braindrain taken all of Europe good writers? Meanwhile China and America still take all the medals. All France can do is pick the games so Marchand gets the most golds, so much for collectivism. Oh and Marchand swims for UT Austin BTW. An American school, training under an American coach with American infrastructure.