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This is gold for Anthropic's profitability. The Claude Code addicts can double their spend to plow through tokens because they need to finish something by a dea

This is gold for Anthropic's profitability. The Claude Code addicts can double their spend to plow through tokens because they need to finish something by a deadline. OpenAI will have a similar product within a week but will only charge 3x the normal rate. This angle might also be NVidias reason for buying Groq. People will pay a premium for faster tokens.

jweir 9mo ago
I switched back to 4.5 Sonnet or Opus yesterday since 4.6 was so slow and often “over thinking” or “over analyzing” the problem space. Tasks which accurately took under an minute in Sonnet 4.5 were still running after 5 minutes in 4.6 (yeah I had them race for a few tasks) Someone of this could be system overload I suppose.
- stefan_ 9mo ago
  Yeah, nothing is sped up, their initial deployment of 4.6 is so unbearably slow they are just now offering you the opportunity to pay more for the same experience of 4.5. What's the word for that?
  - coldtea 9mo ago
    [flagged]
  - christophilus 9mo ago
    Enslopification.
- fy20 9mo ago
  They mentioned in the release notes if it's over-thinking you should decrease the reasoning effort.
- HumanOstrich 9mo ago
  Edit ~/.claude/settings.json and add "effortLevel": "medium". Alternatively, you can put it in .claude/settings.json in a project if you want to try it out first. They recommend this in the announcement[1], but the way they suggest doing it is via a bogus /effort command that doesn't exist. See [2] for full details about thinking effort. It also recommends a bogus way to change effort by using the arrow keys when selecting a model, so don't use that either. [1]: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-6 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-6 [2]: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/model-config#adjust-effort-level https://code.claude.com/docs/en/model-config#adjust-effort-l...
  - saulpw 9mo ago
    what? Their documentation is hallucinated?
    - HumanOstrich 9mo ago
      Yep, and their documentation AI assistant will egregiously hallucinate whatever it thinks you want to hear, then repeat itself in a loop when you tell it that it's wrong.
      - oefrha 9mo ago
        Yesterday I asked a question about a Claude Code setting inside Claude Code, don't recall which, and their builtin documentation skill—something like that—ended up doing a web search and found a wrong answer on a third party site. Later I went to their documentation site and it was right there in the docs. Wonder why they can't bundle an AI-friendly version of their own docs (can't be more than a few hundred KBs compressed?) inside their 174MB executable.
        rubenflamshep 9mo ago
        They used to? I have a distinct memory of it doing exactly that a few months ago. Maybe it got dropped in the mad dash that passes for CC sprint cycles
        siva7 9mo ago
        It's insane that they concluded the builtin introspection skill for claude documentation should do a web search instead of simply packing the correct documentation in local files. I had the same experience like you, wasting tokens and my time because their architecture decision doesn't work in practice. I have to google the correct Anthropic documentation and pass that link to claude code because claude isn't able to do the same reliably in order to know how to use its own features.
        HumanOstrich 9mo ago
nonethewiser 9mo ago
"Back in my day you had to wait 3 minutes to generate 10k lines of code."
neya 9mo ago
Honestly, Open AI isn't worth it. I cancelled my Open AI plan (and hopefully will delete my account soon once I export all my data out) because of philosophy differences. They shared they are evaluating a model where they can get a % of your business in exchange for letting you use code generated by their AI models. That and the possible advertising angle. But, that's not even the worst, I asked ChatGPT to fairly evaluate the risky model where one for profit corporation holds your entire intimate personal details and uses it for advertising, it staunchly defended OpenAI. That was the nail in the coffin for me. Contrast to this - Anthropic actually asks you if you want their AI to remember details about you and they have lot of toggles around privacy. I don't care if they make money from extra tokens as long as they don't go the Open AI route.
- prodigycorp 9mo ago
  > They shared they are evaluating a model where they can get a % of your business in exchange for letting you use code generated by their AI models. That's a gross mischaracterization of what the CFO said. She basically just said the pricing space is huge, and they've even explored things like royalty models. I'm guessing you just saw a headline and read nothing into it.
  - hirako2000 9mo ago
    Isn't it what "evaluating a model where they can get a % of your business in exchange for letting you use code generated by their AI models" precisely mean? If they find that this business model is most profitable for OpenAI, and that they can somehow release models better than any competitor, wouldn't they say they want royalties ? That's what Unity (the game engine) does so it wouldn't be unseen.
  - neya 9mo ago
    > I'm guessing you just saw a headline and read nothing into it. https://openai.com/index/a-business-that-scales-with-the-value-of-intelligence/ https://openai.com/index/a-business-that-scales-with-the-val... "As intelligence moves into scientific research, drug discovery, energy systems, and financial modeling, new economic models will emerge. Licensing, IP-based agreements, and outcome-based pricing will share in the value created. That is how the internet evolved. Intelligence will follow the same path." "Intelligence will follow the same path." This is from their official press release. Also, when you talk about "royalty models", what exactly do you think it means?
nurumaik 9mo ago
In cursor, GPT models already have +Fast options that work faster with 2x price
- tiku 9mo ago
  Does that just use 2 agents at the same time or something like that?
jonplackett 9mo ago
Gold for Anthropic but kinda shit for everyone else no? Now they have a profit motive for slowing down the normal service. This is the Deliveroo playbook of offering a ‘premium’ service that is really just the original service with the original slowed down. Same with speedy boarding for airlines. Now almost everyone pays for it so you don’t even get a benefit.
- hirako2000 9mo ago
  The difference being that Airlines and food delivery did make a profit, just figured they had to do these tricks to earn some more. Mature businesses resort to lowering quality, fake scarcity. Here the scarcity is real, and profits are nowhere to be seen These schemes will soon fall apart entirely when an open weight model can run on Groq/Cerebras/SambaNova at even higher speeds and be just fine for all tasks. Arguably already the case, but not many know yet.
- Expurple 9mo ago
  > Now they have a profit motive for slowing down the normal service. Sure. But for now, this is a competitive space. The competitors offer models at a decent quality*speed/price ratio and prevent Anthopic from going too far downhill. Actually, as I think about it... I don't enjoy any other model as much as Opus 4.5 and 4.6. For me, this is no longer a competitive space. Anthropic are in full right to charge premium prices for their premium product.

jweir 9mo ago

I switched back to 4.5 Sonnet or Opus yesterday since 4.6 was so slow and often “over thinking” or “over analyzing” the problem space. Tasks which accurately took under an minute in Sonnet 4.5 were still running after 5 minutes in 4.6 (yeah I had them race for a few tasks) Someone of this could be system overload I suppose.

stefan_ 9mo ago
Yeah, nothing is sped up, their initial deployment of 4.6 is so unbearably slow they are just now offering you the opportunity to pay more for the same experience of 4.5. What's the word for that?
- coldtea 9mo ago
  [flagged]
- christophilus 9mo ago
  Enslopification.
fy20 9mo ago
They mentioned in the release notes if it's over-thinking you should decrease the reasoning effort.
HumanOstrich 9mo ago
Edit ~/.claude/settings.json and add "effortLevel": "medium". Alternatively, you can put it in .claude/settings.json in a project if you want to try it out first. They recommend this in the announcement[1], but the way they suggest doing it is via a bogus /effort command that doesn't exist. See [2] for full details about thinking effort. It also recommends a bogus way to change effort by using the arrow keys when selecting a model, so don't use that either. [1]: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-6 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-6 [2]: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/model-config#adjust-effort-level https://code.claude.com/docs/en/model-config#adjust-effort-l...
- saulpw 9mo ago
  what? Their documentation is hallucinated?
  - HumanOstrich 9mo ago
    Yep, and their documentation AI assistant will egregiously hallucinate whatever it thinks you want to hear, then repeat itself in a loop when you tell it that it's wrong.
    - oefrha 9mo ago
      Yesterday I asked a question about a Claude Code setting inside Claude Code, don't recall which, and their builtin documentation skill—something like that—ended up doing a web search and found a wrong answer on a third party site. Later I went to their documentation site and it was right there in the docs. Wonder why they can't bundle an AI-friendly version of their own docs (can't be more than a few hundred KBs compressed?) inside their 174MB executable.
      - rubenflamshep 9mo ago
        They used to? I have a distinct memory of it doing exactly that a few months ago. Maybe it got dropped in the mad dash that passes for CC sprint cycles
      - siva7 9mo ago
        It's insane that they concluded the builtin introspection skill for claude documentation should do a web search instead of simply packing the correct documentation in local files. I had the same experience like you, wasting tokens and my time because their architecture decision doesn't work in practice. I have to google the correct Anthropic documentation and pass that link to claude code because claude isn't able to do the same reliably in order to know how to use its own features.
        HumanOstrich 9mo ago

nonethewiser 9mo ago

"Back in my day you had to wait 3 minutes to generate 10k lines of code."

neya 9mo ago

Honestly, Open AI isn't worth it. I cancelled my Open AI plan (and hopefully will delete my account soon once I export all my data out) because of philosophy differences. They shared they are evaluating a model where they can get a % of your business in exchange for letting you use code generated by their AI models. That and the possible advertising angle. But, that's not even the worst, I asked ChatGPT to fairly evaluate the risky model where one for profit corporation holds your entire intimate personal details and uses it for advertising, it staunchly defended OpenAI. That was the nail in the coffin for me. Contrast to this - Anthropic actually asks you if you want their AI to remember details about you and they have lot of toggles around privacy. I don't care if they make money from extra tokens as long as they don't go the Open AI route.

prodigycorp 9mo ago
> They shared they are evaluating a model where they can get a % of your business in exchange for letting you use code generated by their AI models. That's a gross mischaracterization of what the CFO said. She basically just said the pricing space is huge, and they've even explored things like royalty models. I'm guessing you just saw a headline and read nothing into it.
- hirako2000 9mo ago
  Isn't it what "evaluating a model where they can get a % of your business in exchange for letting you use code generated by their AI models" precisely mean? If they find that this business model is most profitable for OpenAI, and that they can somehow release models better than any competitor, wouldn't they say they want royalties ? That's what Unity (the game engine) does so it wouldn't be unseen.
- neya 9mo ago
  > I'm guessing you just saw a headline and read nothing into it. https://openai.com/index/a-business-that-scales-with-the-value-of-intelligence/ https://openai.com/index/a-business-that-scales-with-the-val... "As intelligence moves into scientific research, drug discovery, energy systems, and financial modeling, new economic models will emerge. Licensing, IP-based agreements, and outcome-based pricing will share in the value created. That is how the internet evolved. Intelligence will follow the same path." "Intelligence will follow the same path." This is from their official press release. Also, when you talk about "royalty models", what exactly do you think it means?

nurumaik 9mo ago

In cursor, GPT models already have +Fast options that work faster with 2x price

tiku 9mo ago
Does that just use 2 agents at the same time or something like that?

jonplackett 9mo ago

Gold for Anthropic but kinda shit for everyone else no? Now they have a profit motive for slowing down the normal service. This is the Deliveroo playbook of offering a ‘premium’ service that is really just the original service with the original slowed down. Same with speedy boarding for airlines. Now almost everyone pays for it so you don’t even get a benefit.

hirako2000 9mo ago
The difference being that Airlines and food delivery did make a profit, just figured they had to do these tricks to earn some more. Mature businesses resort to lowering quality, fake scarcity. Here the scarcity is real, and profits are nowhere to be seen These schemes will soon fall apart entirely when an open weight model can run on Groq/Cerebras/SambaNova at even higher speeds and be just fine for all tasks. Arguably already the case, but not many know yet.
Expurple 9mo ago
> Now they have a profit motive for slowing down the normal service. Sure. But for now, this is a competitive space. The competitors offer models at a decent quality*speed/price ratio and prevent Anthopic from going too far downhill. Actually, as I think about it... I don't enjoy any other model as much as Opus 4.5 and 4.6. For me, this is no longer a competitive space. Anthropic are in full right to charge premium prices for their premium product.