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Ok, and?

by OsrsNeedsf2P 9mo ago

Ok, and?

jjeaff 9mo ago
Do they have driver's licenses from a US state?
- whatever1 9mo ago
  Is Waymo software licensed by a dmv ?
  - Grimblewald 9mo ago
    Yes. Something you should intuit, and is eaisly confirmed with a quick search. It is licensed to drive and the conditions underwhich it may do so are clearly stipulated. If it didnt require a license elon would have his deathtraps littering roadsides with mangled flesh and steel everywhere. Perhaps ask yourself why you asked such a misguided question and consider what you can do different in your cognitive patternd to avoid it in the future.
    - whatever1 9mo ago
      So if it is licensed, the entire stack is licensed even if there are dogs pressing buttons on the other side of the planet. Elons cars are already driving by themselves against the conditions they are licensed for, causing accidents and the liability falls to the drivers. Aka, licensing means absolutely nothing. Specially today.
- TheDong 9mo ago
  Waymo has a blog post on what these remote assistance people do: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ They effectively are answering questions like "is this road closed", or "is the object in front of me a solid object or a weird shadow". These are not the sort of questions that US driver's license is really related to, it's not things like "can I legally turn right on red at this intersection". Do we require a driver's license to solve Google reCapture questions like "what squares have a bike in them"? Because the waymo stuff is closer to image classification than driving.
  - naveen99 9mo ago
    I think if you took a buddy with you to the drivers license test in America and asked your buddy these questions during the test. You and your buddy are both failing. Unless test was in India over tea and not in a car.
    - TheDong 9mo ago
      I guess you're saying that because a waymo car can't walk into the DMV and get a license, it shouldn't be on the road? (which of course it can't, you have to have a legal human identity to get a normal driver's license, and we don't let cars have humanity currently) Driver's licenses are legal constructs. The DMV certifies self-driving cars as able to drive on the road differently, and sure, those two different processes are different. I really don't get the point you're trying to make here.
      - naveen99 9mo ago
        Replace waymo with Optimus, same thing applies.
- throw4432334 9mo ago
  If they have a driver’s license from the Philippines, then it should be enough. Just like foreign tourists can rent and drive cars in the US without needing a US state driver’s license.
- victorbjorklund 9mo ago
  Do you think American tourists have to take a Filipino driver’s license when they rent a car on vacation?
MBCook 9mo ago
Then they’re not really self driving are they?
- bryan_w 9mo ago
  The assistants don't have access to the gas pedal or steering wheel input. The car is the only thing actually piloting the car i.e. self driving * Unless it gets super stuck, then a human drives out and gets into the physical driver seat and takes over
  - MBCook 9mo ago
    Which is certainly better than just having a human remote drive. But it’s still not the impression they’ve been giving. It’s been an impression of full automation (ignoring getting stuck) and if it’s not navigating on its own that’s disingenuous.
    - SR2Z 9mo ago
      The car will always get stuck every now and then. This approach has two benefits: it can be unstuck without sending out a physical driver and while collecting training data, and it efficiently lets m humans control n cars with a wide range of acceptable m and n values. It's intended for the ratio of m:n to smoothly shrink as the software gets better, but m will always be greater than zero.
- lysp 9mo ago
  My assumption is they can provide input such as "you should make a left/right lane change" to get out of a "stuck" location. So when the car's systems prevent it from taking a specific action, they can override it for a single instance.
Grimblewald 9mo ago
[flagged]
- TheDong 9mo ago
  You've imagined a scenario around remote drivers having access to the internal microphones. Waymo tells you explicitly that all the microphones inside the car are off unless you press the button to call rider support yourself. If you'd ever ridden in waymo, perhaps you'd recall them telling you that the first time you rode one. > if you can't think of more perhaps you should keep your comments out of the discussion, because at present you've contributed nothing but ignorance. You really shouldn't end your comment with that if you're not going to read up on whether a hypothetical scenario you've imagined up is ignorant or not.
  - Grimblewald 9mo ago
    have you read terms and conditions? They can access video under near any circumstance, like wanting to check the general cleanliness of the car etc. audio is a bit different, or so they say, but when it comes to companies like this can we really trust what they say? They have an awful habit of lying an awful lot when it comes to data and privacy. Tesla for example recently got in trouble for not really doing as they should regarding sensors, if you recall. Waymo is several leagues above tesla in terms of general professionalism, however, I don't know if they professional enough to not do things they shouldn't, or under-employ folks in charge of implementing barriers to abuse etc.
anigbrowl 9mo ago
People are somewhat surprised about this work being farmed out to the Philippines as opposed to being done by Americans. I'm pretty sure you don't need me to explain this, though.

Ok, and?

jjeaff 9mo ago

Do they have driver's licenses from a US state?

whatever1 9mo ago
Is Waymo software licensed by a dmv ?
- Grimblewald 9mo ago
  Yes. Something you should intuit, and is eaisly confirmed with a quick search. It is licensed to drive and the conditions underwhich it may do so are clearly stipulated. If it didnt require a license elon would have his deathtraps littering roadsides with mangled flesh and steel everywhere. Perhaps ask yourself why you asked such a misguided question and consider what you can do different in your cognitive patternd to avoid it in the future.
  - whatever1 9mo ago
    So if it is licensed, the entire stack is licensed even if there are dogs pressing buttons on the other side of the planet. Elons cars are already driving by themselves against the conditions they are licensed for, causing accidents and the liability falls to the drivers. Aka, licensing means absolutely nothing. Specially today.
TheDong 9mo ago
Waymo has a blog post on what these remote assistance people do: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ They effectively are answering questions like "is this road closed", or "is the object in front of me a solid object or a weird shadow". These are not the sort of questions that US driver's license is really related to, it's not things like "can I legally turn right on red at this intersection". Do we require a driver's license to solve Google reCapture questions like "what squares have a bike in them"? Because the waymo stuff is closer to image classification than driving.
- naveen99 9mo ago
  I think if you took a buddy with you to the drivers license test in America and asked your buddy these questions during the test. You and your buddy are both failing. Unless test was in India over tea and not in a car.
  - TheDong 9mo ago
    I guess you're saying that because a waymo car can't walk into the DMV and get a license, it shouldn't be on the road? (which of course it can't, you have to have a legal human identity to get a normal driver's license, and we don't let cars have humanity currently) Driver's licenses are legal constructs. The DMV certifies self-driving cars as able to drive on the road differently, and sure, those two different processes are different. I really don't get the point you're trying to make here.
    - naveen99 9mo ago
      Replace waymo with Optimus, same thing applies.
throw4432334 9mo ago
If they have a driver’s license from the Philippines, then it should be enough. Just like foreign tourists can rent and drive cars in the US without needing a US state driver’s license.
victorbjorklund 9mo ago
Do you think American tourists have to take a Filipino driver’s license when they rent a car on vacation?

MBCook 9mo ago

Then they’re not really self driving are they?

bryan_w 9mo ago
The assistants don't have access to the gas pedal or steering wheel input. The car is the only thing actually piloting the car i.e. self driving * Unless it gets super stuck, then a human drives out and gets into the physical driver seat and takes over
- MBCook 9mo ago
  Which is certainly better than just having a human remote drive. But it’s still not the impression they’ve been giving. It’s been an impression of full automation (ignoring getting stuck) and if it’s not navigating on its own that’s disingenuous.
  - SR2Z 9mo ago
    The car will always get stuck every now and then. This approach has two benefits: it can be unstuck without sending out a physical driver and while collecting training data, and it efficiently lets m humans control n cars with a wide range of acceptable m and n values. It's intended for the ratio of m:n to smoothly shrink as the software gets better, but m will always be greater than zero.
lysp 9mo ago
My assumption is they can provide input such as "you should make a left/right lane change" to get out of a "stuck" location. So when the car's systems prevent it from taking a specific action, they can override it for a single instance.

Grimblewald 9mo ago

[flagged]

TheDong 9mo ago
You've imagined a scenario around remote drivers having access to the internal microphones. Waymo tells you explicitly that all the microphones inside the car are off unless you press the button to call rider support yourself. If you'd ever ridden in waymo, perhaps you'd recall them telling you that the first time you rode one. > if you can't think of more perhaps you should keep your comments out of the discussion, because at present you've contributed nothing but ignorance. You really shouldn't end your comment with that if you're not going to read up on whether a hypothetical scenario you've imagined up is ignorant or not.
- Grimblewald 9mo ago
  have you read terms and conditions? They can access video under near any circumstance, like wanting to check the general cleanliness of the car etc. audio is a bit different, or so they say, but when it comes to companies like this can we really trust what they say? They have an awful habit of lying an awful lot when it comes to data and privacy. Tesla for example recently got in trouble for not really doing as they should regarding sensors, if you recall. Waymo is several leagues above tesla in terms of general professionalism, however, I don't know if they professional enough to not do things they shouldn't, or under-employ folks in charge of implementing barriers to abuse etc.

anigbrowl 9mo ago

People are somewhat surprised about this work being farmed out to the Philippines as opposed to being done by Americans. I'm pretty sure you don't need me to explain this, though.