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This is great and all but, who can actually afford to let these agents run on tasks all day long? Is anyone here actually using this or are these rollouts aime

This is great and all but, who can actually afford to let these agents run on tasks all day long? Is anyone here actually using this or are these rollouts aimed at large companies? I'm burning through so many tokens on Cursor that I've had to upgrade to Ultra recently - and i'm convinced they're tweaking the burn rate behind the scenes - usage allowance doesn't seem proportional. Thank god the open source/local LLM world isn't far behind.

anupamchugh 8mo ago
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- simianwords 8mo ago
  Need it be actually disjoint? Interested in learning about the limitation here because apparently the agents can coordinate. Otherwise what’s the difference between what they are providing vs me creating two independent pull requests using agents and having an agent resolve merge conflicts?
  - anupamchugh 8mo ago
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    - Aditya_Garg 8mo ago
      Anthropic themselves were able to write a c compiler using teams all at the same time https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler Here is the relevant excerpt: "To prevent two agents from trying to solve the same problem at the same time, the harness uses a simple synchronization algorithm: Claude takes a "lock" on a task by writing a text file to current_tasks/ (e.g., one agent might lock current_tasks/parse_if_statement.txt, while another locks current_tasks/codegen_function_definition.txt). If two agents try to claim the same task, git's synchronization forces the second agent to pick a different one. Claude works on the task, then pulls from upstream, merges changes from other agents, pushes its changes, and removes the lock. Merge conflicts are frequent, but Claude is smart enough to figure that out."
emp17344 8mo ago
Especially for what’s basically an experiment. Gas town didn’t really work, so there’s no guarantee this will even produce anything of value.
jwpapi 8mo ago
I mean what you get for Claude Code Max is insane its 30x on the token price. If you don’t spend that all it’s your own fault. That must be below elecricity cost
rahimnathwani 8mo ago
Many many companies can afford to hire a junior engineer for $150k/year (plus employer payroll taxes, employee benefits etc.). Are you spending more than $150k per year on AI? (Also, you're talking about the cost of your Cursor subscription, when the article is about Claude Code. Maybe try Claude Max instead?)
- freeone3000 8mo ago
  If it could do anything that a junior dev could, that’d be a valid point of comparison. But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried.
  - rahimnathwani 8mo ago
    But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried. If it falls short every time you've tried, it's likely that one or more of these is true: A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games. B. You're using a language that isn't in the top ~10 most popular in AI models' training sets. C. You have an opportunity to improve your ability to use the tools effectively. How many hours have you spent using Claude Code?
    - imiric 8mo ago
      The possibility that the performance of these tools still isn't at the level some people need it to be is not an option? It's insulting that criticism is often met with superficial excuses and insinuation that the user lacks the required skills.
      - rahimnathwani 8mo ago
        That possibility is covered by A and B. GP said 'falls short every time I’ve tried'. Note the word 'every'.
      - indemnity 8mo ago
logicx24 8mo ago
I can't even get through my Claude Max quota, and that's only 200/mo. And I code every day and use it for various other pretty-intensive tasks.
- dangus 8mo ago
  only $200/mo…$200 a month is a used car payment. I guarantee you that price will double by 2027. Then it’ll be a new car payment! I’m really not saying this to be snarky, I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual. I pay less for Autocad products! This whole product release is about maximizing your bill, not maximizing your productivity. I don’t need agents to talk to each other. I need one agent to do the job right.
  - kesslern 8mo ago
    Not saying $200/mo isn't a lot, but I think you're underestimating used car payments these days. The average US used car payment is above $500 now.
  - meowface 8mo ago
    I could write an essay about how almost everything you wrote either is extremely incorrect or is extremely likely to be incorrect. I am too lazy to, though, so I will just have to wait for another commenter to do the equivalent.
    - dangus 8mo ago
      Why not make your AI tool do it for you?
      - meowface 8mo ago
        Because, while I have been a huge AI optimist for decades, I generally don't like their current writing output. And even if I did, it would feel like plagiarism unless I prepended it with "an AI responded with this:", which would make me seem lazy. (Though I did already just admit I am very lazy in my first post, so perhaps that is what I will do going forward once they become better writers.)
reactordev 8mo ago
You know those VC funded startups with just two founders… them.
MarkMarine 8mo ago
A Claude max 20x plan and you’ll be fine. I’d been doing my normal process of running 4 Claude sessions in parallel because that was about the right amount of concurrent sessions for me to watch what’s going on and approve/deny plans and code… and this blows it out of the water. With an agent swarm it’s so fast at executing and testing I’m limited by my idea and review capabilities now. I tried running 2 and I can’t keep up, I’m defining specs and the other window is done, tested, validated and waiting for me.
emeraudelinton 8mo ago
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anupamchugh 8mo ago

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simianwords 8mo ago
Need it be actually disjoint? Interested in learning about the limitation here because apparently the agents can coordinate. Otherwise what’s the difference between what they are providing vs me creating two independent pull requests using agents and having an agent resolve merge conflicts?
- anupamchugh 8mo ago
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  - Aditya_Garg 8mo ago
    Anthropic themselves were able to write a c compiler using teams all at the same time https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler Here is the relevant excerpt: "To prevent two agents from trying to solve the same problem at the same time, the harness uses a simple synchronization algorithm: Claude takes a "lock" on a task by writing a text file to current_tasks/ (e.g., one agent might lock current_tasks/parse_if_statement.txt, while another locks current_tasks/codegen_function_definition.txt). If two agents try to claim the same task, git's synchronization forces the second agent to pick a different one. Claude works on the task, then pulls from upstream, merges changes from other agents, pushes its changes, and removes the lock. Merge conflicts are frequent, but Claude is smart enough to figure that out."

emp17344 8mo ago

Especially for what’s basically an experiment. Gas town didn’t really work, so there’s no guarantee this will even produce anything of value.

jwpapi 8mo ago

I mean what you get for Claude Code Max is insane its 30x on the token price. If you don’t spend that all it’s your own fault. That must be below elecricity cost

rahimnathwani 8mo ago

Many many companies can afford to hire a junior engineer for $150k/year (plus employer payroll taxes, employee benefits etc.). Are you spending more than $150k per year on AI? (Also, you're talking about the cost of your Cursor subscription, when the article is about Claude Code. Maybe try Claude Max instead?)

freeone3000 8mo ago
If it could do anything that a junior dev could, that’d be a valid point of comparison. But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried.
- rahimnathwani 8mo ago
  But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried. If it falls short every time you've tried, it's likely that one or more of these is true: A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games. B. You're using a language that isn't in the top ~10 most popular in AI models' training sets. C. You have an opportunity to improve your ability to use the tools effectively. How many hours have you spent using Claude Code?
  - imiric 8mo ago
    The possibility that the performance of these tools still isn't at the level some people need it to be is not an option? It's insulting that criticism is often met with superficial excuses and insinuation that the user lacks the required skills.
    - rahimnathwani 8mo ago
      That possibility is covered by A and B. GP said 'falls short every time I’ve tried'. Note the word 'every'.
    - indemnity 8mo ago

logicx24 8mo ago

I can't even get through my Claude Max quota, and that's only 200/mo. And I code every day and use it for various other pretty-intensive tasks.

dangus 8mo ago
only $200/mo…$200 a month is a used car payment. I guarantee you that price will double by 2027. Then it’ll be a new car payment! I’m really not saying this to be snarky, I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual. I pay less for Autocad products! This whole product release is about maximizing your bill, not maximizing your productivity. I don’t need agents to talk to each other. I need one agent to do the job right.
- kesslern 8mo ago
  Not saying $200/mo isn't a lot, but I think you're underestimating used car payments these days. The average US used car payment is above $500 now.
- meowface 8mo ago
  I could write an essay about how almost everything you wrote either is extremely incorrect or is extremely likely to be incorrect. I am too lazy to, though, so I will just have to wait for another commenter to do the equivalent.
  - dangus 8mo ago
    Why not make your AI tool do it for you?
    - meowface 8mo ago
      Because, while I have been a huge AI optimist for decades, I generally don't like their current writing output. And even if I did, it would feel like plagiarism unless I prepended it with "an AI responded with this:", which would make me seem lazy. (Though I did already just admit I am very lazy in my first post, so perhaps that is what I will do going forward once they become better writers.)

reactordev 8mo ago

You know those VC funded startups with just two founders… them.

MarkMarine 8mo ago

A Claude max 20x plan and you’ll be fine. I’d been doing my normal process of running 4 Claude sessions in parallel because that was about the right amount of concurrent sessions for me to watch what’s going on and approve/deny plans and code… and this blows it out of the water. With an agent swarm it’s so fast at executing and testing I’m limited by my idea and review capabilities now. I tried running 2 and I can’t keep up, I’m defining specs and the other window is done, tested, validated and waiting for me.

emeraudelinton 8mo ago

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