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Do they respect my data? Why do they get to track me across sites when I clearly don't want them to but someone can't scrape their data when they don't want the

Do they respect my data? Why do they get to track me across sites when I clearly don't want them to but someone can't scrape their data when they don't want them to. Why should big companies get the pass but individuals not? They clearly consider internet traffic fair game and are invasive and abusive about it so it is not only fair to be invasive and abusive back, it is self defense at this point.

hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago
They don’t need to track your web browser when they’re owned by Microsoft, because they track every action at a lower level.
- missingdays 9mo ago
  What lower level? Microsoft owns internet?
  - zelphirkalt 9mo ago
    The operating system. For example see the Windows 11 screenshot debacle/scandal.
    - Dylan16807 9mo ago
      Are you talking about Recall, which got such huge negative press they delayed it a year and added a clear opt-in? And never sent anything off the device itself? If anyone has evidence of constant tracking and reporting then please share it.
      - zelphirkalt 9mo ago
        Well, I won't touch Windows 11 with a ten feet pole and I don't know if what I am referring to is called "Recall". Not that much into the MS terminology. I also read about Windows 11 having all kinds of shenanigans to suddenly upload data into onedrive. Wouldn't be surprised, if that also included screenshots, or could "accidentally" lead to that happening. Screenshotting every few seconds is unacceptable even if it stays on the device per se. Once data exists, it has potential to leak, and we have not even started considering malware infection yet. Huge risk to people's privacy and safety online. We can stop pretending all it alright at some point, can't we? We don't need more enshittification. Windows 11 is already a disaster, that no one wants. It already starts with its idiotic HW requirements, trying to make perfectly fine HW obsolete. $$$
        Dylan16807 9mo ago
        There was a lot of pushback to Recall for a reasons, yes. But it's not what you described, and criticism works a lot better when it's accurate. For suddenly putting your documents into onedrive, that's real but it started years ago in windows 10.
- 0x1ch 9mo ago
  Weird, I don't use Windows as an OS but have linkedin. I'd believe the concern and disregard of Linkedin's concern is fair game.
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john-h-k 9mo ago
Because you signed up to a set of terms and conditions saying LinkedIn can use your data in this way
- echelon 9mo ago
  I didn't want the web to turn into monolithic platforms. I abhor this status quo. You cannot function without these enterprises, but that doesn't mean they're ideal or even ethical. Microsoft wins because of network effects. It's impossible to compete. So I think it should be allowed to assail their monopoly here by any means. It's maximally fair for consumers and for free markets. Ideally capitalism remains cutthroat and impossible to grow into undislodgeable titans. Even more ideally, this would become a distributed protocol rather than a privately owned and guarded database.
- hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago
  No one likes paying taxes but they still do it. They could just not work and not have money and therefore not need to pay tax.
  - pluralmonad 9mo ago
    Except what you have to pay each year for the privilege of staying in "your" house.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  That doesn't actually mean anything
- inetknght 9mo ago
  What if I signed up before those ToS said they could use my data in this way? Oh right, companies change ToS and EULA and "agreements" without notice, without due process, and without recourse. I have no problem changing how I use "their" data in such situations.
  - RulerOf 9mo ago
thesmtsolver2 9mo ago
You do realize anti-scraping measures are one way of protecting your data too?
- pluralmonad 9mo ago
  In this context, "protecting" means the interest of linkedin who aggressively sells the data. Users that give data to linkedin are not protecting their data either way.
brookst 9mo ago
“They” is an in incredibly useful tool.

hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago

They don’t need to track your web browser when they’re owned by Microsoft, because they track every action at a lower level.

missingdays 9mo ago
What lower level? Microsoft owns internet?
- zelphirkalt 9mo ago
  The operating system. For example see the Windows 11 screenshot debacle/scandal.
  - Dylan16807 9mo ago
    Are you talking about Recall, which got such huge negative press they delayed it a year and added a clear opt-in? And never sent anything off the device itself? If anyone has evidence of constant tracking and reporting then please share it.
    - zelphirkalt 9mo ago
      Well, I won't touch Windows 11 with a ten feet pole and I don't know if what I am referring to is called "Recall". Not that much into the MS terminology. I also read about Windows 11 having all kinds of shenanigans to suddenly upload data into onedrive. Wouldn't be surprised, if that also included screenshots, or could "accidentally" lead to that happening. Screenshotting every few seconds is unacceptable even if it stays on the device per se. Once data exists, it has potential to leak, and we have not even started considering malware infection yet. Huge risk to people's privacy and safety online. We can stop pretending all it alright at some point, can't we? We don't need more enshittification. Windows 11 is already a disaster, that no one wants. It already starts with its idiotic HW requirements, trying to make perfectly fine HW obsolete. $$$
      - Dylan16807 9mo ago
        There was a lot of pushback to Recall for a reasons, yes. But it's not what you described, and criticism works a lot better when it's accurate. For suddenly putting your documents into onedrive, that's real but it started years ago in windows 10.
0x1ch 9mo ago
Weird, I don't use Windows as an OS but have linkedin. I'd believe the concern and disregard of Linkedin's concern is fair game.

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john-h-k 9mo ago

Because you signed up to a set of terms and conditions saying LinkedIn can use your data in this way

echelon 9mo ago
I didn't want the web to turn into monolithic platforms. I abhor this status quo. You cannot function without these enterprises, but that doesn't mean they're ideal or even ethical. Microsoft wins because of network effects. It's impossible to compete. So I think it should be allowed to assail their monopoly here by any means. It's maximally fair for consumers and for free markets. Ideally capitalism remains cutthroat and impossible to grow into undislodgeable titans. Even more ideally, this would become a distributed protocol rather than a privately owned and guarded database.
hsbauauvhabzb 9mo ago
No one likes paying taxes but they still do it. They could just not work and not have money and therefore not need to pay tax.
- pluralmonad 9mo ago
  Except what you have to pay each year for the privilege of staying in "your" house.
direwolf20 9mo ago
That doesn't actually mean anything
inetknght 9mo ago
What if I signed up before those ToS said they could use my data in this way? Oh right, companies change ToS and EULA and "agreements" without notice, without due process, and without recourse. I have no problem changing how I use "their" data in such situations.
- RulerOf 9mo ago

thesmtsolver2 9mo ago

You do realize anti-scraping measures are one way of protecting your data too?

pluralmonad 9mo ago
In this context, "protecting" means the interest of linkedin who aggressively sells the data. Users that give data to linkedin are not protecting their data either way.

brookst 9mo ago

“They” is an in incredibly useful tool.