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This vibe-coding-will-replace-SaaS insanity is the new crypto-will-replace-fiat-money insanity.

by baxtr 9mo ago

turnsout 9mo ago
People really seem to believe that code is the only thing you need to make a SaaS company. It's like thinking a line cook is all you need to open a restaurant. There are so, so many other components to running a business.
- baxtr 9mo ago
  I agree! Although the proponents of this idea argue that companies will create and (!) maintain many tools in-house. It’s not so much about running a business, since you don’t sell anything and only have internal customers.
- scotty79 9mo ago
  SaaS is mostly sales.
  - turnsout 9mo ago
    100%, particularly B2B SaaS
- fatherwavelet 9mo ago
  There is also an aspect of thinking no one will go to restaurants when anyone can make the same food at home.
rishabhaiover 9mo ago
No serious programmer "vibe" codes. I admit creating SaaS may not be feasible with current infrastructure but you can't ignore the insane jump in productivity that these tools can offer with the right scaffolding.
- yuiasdfj 9mo ago
  This website is 70-80% vibe coding frauds pretending to be experts.
DebtDeflation 9mo ago
It's shocking to me how prevalent this "who needs Salesforce when everyone can just vibe code their own CRM from scratch in a day" narrative has become in the business press. Like, what???
- coffeebeqn 9mo ago
  I vibe coded Stripe and Okta in a weekend. Time to deploy to prod and save some money!
- vdfs 9mo ago
  That's not like "Who need Photoshop everyone can just vibe code their own photoshop" They could just download GIMP or find cheaper alternative, that was always an option
  - ozim 9mo ago
    Same with „building custom businesses stuff” you can already do it quicker with existing CRM configuration without burning tokens.
    - ThatPlayer 9mo ago
      Yeah I know a friend (small business owner) vibe coding a feature as a addon for Odoo. He has dreams of selling it (he usually has wild plans), but for now it's just a feature they want and does seem to be good enough for their use. And the Google AI subscription is cheaper than any of the SaaS offerings.
  - Sharlin 9mo ago
    No, the equivalent question that people are seriously asking is "Who needs Photoshop [or graphic designers] when everyone can just vibe paint their graphics with AI?"
  - Ronsenshi 9mo ago
    I've had a pleasure of using GIMP recently on Mac. One of the worst UX/UI experiences I've had in quite a while. If that's where vibe coding leads to, then Photoshop is very safe from disruption.
waynesonfire 9mo ago
There is still a narrative here. Lots of SaaS recurring revenue is built on value-add features that can be easily replaced.
georgeecollins 9mo ago
I don't think vibe-coding will replace anything. However, what if AI tools can make skilled developers more productive, particularly at simple tasks in unfamiliar environments? You could see that reducing the engineering costs of simple utility applications. There are tons of pitfalls that many here have pointed to but also maybe opportunities to do things that wouldn't have been cost effective. Also: In my life the easier it has gotten to create and run software, the more software people have wanted and the more they have been willing to spend on it.
- heavyset_go 9mo ago
  > I don't think vibe-coding will replace anything. However, what if AI tools can make skilled developers more productive, particularly at simple tasks in unfamiliar environments? That's not good enough. Now that the world has successfully laughed off the "our models are so good they're superintelligent" AGI claims, AI companies and investors have moved on to the "our models are so good they're going to do all your workers' jobs" angle. The insane investment is for AGI/total job replacement, not developer productivity tools. We are going to be sold pie-in-the-sky claims for a long time until the world wisens up to this rhetoric the same way we did with AGI nonsense.
fluidcruft 9mo ago
I don't think it will replace SaaS but I do think it can replace the need for a lot of the consultant work that goes around configuring and integrating the SaaS. It will be much easier to have a spec that defines how things need to be configured and the machines can implement it (using the SaaS as tools). Frankly this is the most annoying part. It's not that the B2B stuff can't do whatever, it's that it never gets implemented in ways that aren't a pain in the ass because it's all handled by people who aren't actually using them. I really don't think it's not going to become "these prompts are specs" and then you have processes of reviewing implementations. It's one thing when you have randos building stuff and they leave etc. Having stored prompts and managed code that uses tools is a different beast.
- inheritedwisdom 9mo ago
  In my experience this isn’t the case. SaaS systems, at the least the ones that are embracing this sea change seem to recognize that connectivity is key. They are opening APIs and partnering like we’ve never seen. They lack the domain expertise and resources to plumb the last mile. Companies can finally customize and integrate there core SORs at a reasonable price point and if you hire the right people decent technology. It’s a golden era, I do wonder if you’re correct medium/long term but the lack of skill sets to build, deploy, and maintain these solutions is very real. Many can vibe code a great looking app, very few can support it day two even for just a few hundred users.

This vibe-coding-will-replace-SaaS insanity is the new crypto-will-replace-fiat-money insanity.

by baxtr 9mo ago

This vibe-coding-will-replace-SaaS insanity is the new crypto-will-replace-fiat-money insanity.

People really seem to believe that code is the only thing you need to make a SaaS company. It's like thinking a line cook is all you need to open a restaurant. There are so, so many other components to running a business.

baxtr 9mo ago
I agree! Although the proponents of this idea argue that companies will create and (!) maintain many tools in-house. It’s not so much about running a business, since you don’t sell anything and only have internal customers.
scotty79 9mo ago
SaaS is mostly sales.
- turnsout 9mo ago
  100%, particularly B2B SaaS
fatherwavelet 9mo ago
There is also an aspect of thinking no one will go to restaurants when anyone can make the same food at home.

rishabhaiover 9mo ago

No serious programmer "vibe" codes. I admit creating SaaS may not be feasible with current infrastructure but you can't ignore the insane jump in productivity that these tools can offer with the right scaffolding.

yuiasdfj 9mo ago
This website is 70-80% vibe coding frauds pretending to be experts.

DebtDeflation 9mo ago

It's shocking to me how prevalent this "who needs Salesforce when everyone can just vibe code their own CRM from scratch in a day" narrative has become in the business press. Like, what???

coffeebeqn 9mo ago
I vibe coded Stripe and Okta in a weekend. Time to deploy to prod and save some money!
vdfs 9mo ago
That's not like "Who need Photoshop everyone can just vibe code their own photoshop" They could just download GIMP or find cheaper alternative, that was always an option
- ozim 9mo ago
  Same with „building custom businesses stuff” you can already do it quicker with existing CRM configuration without burning tokens.
  - ThatPlayer 9mo ago
    Yeah I know a friend (small business owner) vibe coding a feature as a addon for Odoo. He has dreams of selling it (he usually has wild plans), but for now it's just a feature they want and does seem to be good enough for their use. And the Google AI subscription is cheaper than any of the SaaS offerings.
- Sharlin 9mo ago
  No, the equivalent question that people are seriously asking is "Who needs Photoshop [or graphic designers] when everyone can just vibe paint their graphics with AI?"
- Ronsenshi 9mo ago
  I've had a pleasure of using GIMP recently on Mac. One of the worst UX/UI experiences I've had in quite a while. If that's where vibe coding leads to, then Photoshop is very safe from disruption.

waynesonfire 9mo ago

There is still a narrative here. Lots of SaaS recurring revenue is built on value-add features that can be easily replaced.

georgeecollins 9mo ago

I don't think vibe-coding will replace anything. However, what if AI tools can make skilled developers more productive, particularly at simple tasks in unfamiliar environments? You could see that reducing the engineering costs of simple utility applications. There are tons of pitfalls that many here have pointed to but also maybe opportunities to do things that wouldn't have been cost effective. Also: In my life the easier it has gotten to create and run software, the more software people have wanted and the more they have been willing to spend on it.

heavyset_go 9mo ago
> I don't think vibe-coding will replace anything. However, what if AI tools can make skilled developers more productive, particularly at simple tasks in unfamiliar environments? That's not good enough. Now that the world has successfully laughed off the "our models are so good they're superintelligent" AGI claims, AI companies and investors have moved on to the "our models are so good they're going to do all your workers' jobs" angle. The insane investment is for AGI/total job replacement, not developer productivity tools. We are going to be sold pie-in-the-sky claims for a long time until the world wisens up to this rhetoric the same way we did with AGI nonsense.

fluidcruft 9mo ago

I don't think it will replace SaaS but I do think it can replace the need for a lot of the consultant work that goes around configuring and integrating the SaaS. It will be much easier to have a spec that defines how things need to be configured and the machines can implement it (using the SaaS as tools). Frankly this is the most annoying part. It's not that the B2B stuff can't do whatever, it's that it never gets implemented in ways that aren't a pain in the ass because it's all handled by people who aren't actually using them. I really don't think it's not going to become "these prompts are specs" and then you have processes of reviewing implementations. It's one thing when you have randos building stuff and they leave etc. Having stored prompts and managed code that uses tools is a different beast.

inheritedwisdom 9mo ago
In my experience this isn’t the case. SaaS systems, at the least the ones that are embracing this sea change seem to recognize that connectivity is key. They are opening APIs and partnering like we’ve never seen. They lack the domain expertise and resources to plumb the last mile. Companies can finally customize and integrate there core SORs at a reasonable price point and if you hire the right people decent technology. It’s a golden era, I do wonder if you’re correct medium/long term but the lack of skill sets to build, deploy, and maintain these solutions is very real. Many can vibe code a great looking app, very few can support it day two even for just a few hundred users.