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Whether you are a tech company or not, there's a lot of data on computers that are physically in the office.
by paxys 9mo ago
Whether you are a tech company or not, there's a lot of data on computers that are physically in the office.
- ramuel 9mo agoExcept when they have encryption, which should be the standard? I mean how much data would authorities actually retrieve when most stuff is located on X servers anyways? I have my doubts.
- BrandoElFollito 9mo agoThe authorities will request the keys for local servers and will get them. As for remote ones (outside of France jurisdiction) it depends where they are and how much X wants to make their life difficult.
- ramuel 9mo agoMusk and X don't seem to be the type to care about any laws or any compelling legal requests, especially from a foreign government. I doubt the French will get anything other than this headline.
- Retric 9mo agoGetting kicked out of the EU is extremely unattractive for Twitter. But the US also has extradition treaties so that’s hardly the end of how far they can escalate.
- okanat 9mo agoI don't think US will extradite anybody to EU. Especially not white people with strong support of the current government.
- Retric 9mo agoWhite people already extradited to the EU during the current administration would disagree. But this administration has a limited shelf life, even hypothetically just under 3 years of immunity isn’t enough for comfort.
- wongarsu 9mo ago> But this administration has a limited shelf life, even hypothetically just under 3 years of immunity isn’t enough for comfort. Depends on how much faith you have in the current administration. Russia limits presidents to two 6-year terms, yet Putin is in power since 2000.
- klez 9mo agoBelieve it or not, he's "just" off by two years. Yes, he is in power since 2000 (1999, actually) but 1999-2012 he was Prime Minister. Only then he became President, which would make the end of his second term 2024. So the current one would be his third term (by the magic of changing the constitution and legal quibbles which effectively allow a president to stay in charge for four almost whole terms, AFAIU).
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> don't think US will extradite anybody to EU EU, maybe not. France? A nuclear state? Paris is properly sovereign. > people with strong support of the current government Also known as leverage. Let Musk off the hook for a sweetheart trade deal. Trump has a track record of chickening out when others show strength.
- fmajid 9mo agoFrance doesn't extradite its citizens, even absolute scumbags like Roman Polanski. Someone like Musk has lots of lawyers to gum up extradition proceedings, even if the US were inclined to go along. I doubt the US extradition treaty would cover this unless the French could prove deliberate sharing of CSAM by Musk personally, beyond reckless negligence. Then again, after the Epstein revelations, this is no longer so far-fetched.
- Teever 9mo agoThe game changed when Trump threatened the use of military force to seize Greenland. At this point a nuclear power like France has no issue with using covert violence to produce compliance from Musk and he must know it. These people have proven themselves to be existential threats to French security and France will do whatever they feel is necessary to neutralize that threat. Musk is free to ignore French rule of law if he wants to risk being involved in an airplane accident that will have rumours and conspiracies swirling around it long after he’s dead and his body is strewn all over the ocean somewhere.
- ronsor 9mo agoYou're implying that France is going to become a terrorist state? Because suspicious accidents do not sound like rule of law.
- Teever 9mo agoBecome? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior The second Donald Trump threatened to invade a nation allied with France is the second anyone who works with Trump became a legitimate military target. Like a cruel child dismembering a spider one limb at a time France and other nations around the world will meticulously destroy whatever resources people like Musk have and the influence it gives him over their countries. If Musk displays a sufficient level of resistance to these actions the French will simply assassinate him.
- hunterpayne 9mo agoYou got that backwards. Greenpeace for all its faults is still viewed as a group against which military force is a no-no. Sinking that ship cost France far more than anything they inflicted on Greenpeace. If anything, that event is evidence that going after Musk is a terrible idea. PS Yes, Greenpeace is a bunch of scientifically-illiterate fools who have caused far more damage than they prevented. Doesn't matter because what France did was still clearly against the law.
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- shawabawa3 9mo agoIf I'm an employee working in the X office in France, and the police come in and show me they have a warrant for all the computers in the building and tell me to unlock the laptop, I'm probably going to do that, no matter what musk thinks
- formerly_proven 9mo agoWitnesses can generally not refuse in these situations, that's plain contempt and/or obstruction. Additionally, in France a suspect not revealing their keys is also contempt (UK as well).
- rvnx 9mo ago100%. Only additional troubles for yourself personally, for practically no benefit (nobody in the company is going to celebrate you).
- anigbrowl 9mo agoIf you're a database administrator or similar working at X in France, are you going to going to go to jail to protect Musk from police with an appropriate warrant for access to company data? I doubt it.
- throw3e98 9mo agoI knew someone who was involved in an investigation (the company and person was the victim not the target of the investigation), their work laptop got placed into a legal hold, the investigators had access to all of their files and they weren't allowed delete to anything (even junk emails) for several years. You don't get to say no to these things.