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This is really amusing to watch, because everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (i

This is really amusing to watch, because everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing). There's nothing special about Grok in this regard. It wasn't trained to be a MechaHitler, nor to generate CSAM. It's just relatively uncensored[1] compared to the competition, which means it can be easily manipulated to do what the users tell it to, and that is biting Musk in the ass here. And just to be clear, since apparently people love to jump to conclusions - I'm not excusing what is happening. I'm just pointing out the fact that the only special thing about Grok is that it's both relatively uncensored and easily available to a mainstream audience. [1] -- see the Uncensored General Intelligence leaderboard where Grok is currently #1: https://huggingface.co/spaces/DontPlanToEnd/UGI-Leaderboard https://huggingface.co/spaces/DontPlanToEnd/UGI-Leaderboard

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing) Well, yes. You can make child pornography with any video-editing software. How is this exoneration?
- ls612 9mo ago
  We don't go after Adobe for doing that. We go after the person who did it.
- jdross 9mo ago
  Well you could not sue the video-editing software for someone making child pornography with it. You would, quite sanely, go after the pedophiles themselves.
- kouteiheika 9mo ago
  I'm not talking about video editing software; that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models, which you can download today onto your computer, and have it do the same thing as Grok does. > How is this exoneration? I don't know; you tell me where I said it was? I'm just stating a fact that Grok isn't unique here, and if you want to ban Grok because of it then you need to also ban open weight models which can do exactly the same thing.
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models And the article is talking about a social media site. A different class of software and company. > if you want to ban Grok Straw man. Nobody has suggested this.
    - Pedro_Ribeiro 9mo ago
      I think he is talking about France who does very much seem like they want to ban X and Grok?
      - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
        > France who does very much seem like they want to ban X and Grok? Source? I’m not seeing that in the French-language press.
      - direwolf20 9mo ago
        If Grok is a child pornography tool then it will be banned. If Elon doesn't want Grok to be banned, he can disable the child pornography feature.
        Pedro_Ribeiro 9mo ago
        Agreed, thankfully, there is no CSAM feature, and they patched it in a couple of days so that it would stop obeying requests to do so and banned the users abusing Grok for that purpose. Once they prove they have put the appropriate mechanisms in place to make sure it doesn't happen again it's fine and dandy, no?
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        If by patched you mean he made it cost money.
        9mo ago
throwaway132448 9mo ago
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- kouteiheika 9mo ago
  No. I'm just saying that people should be consistent and if they apply a certain standard to Grok then they should also apply the same standard to other things. Be consistent. Meanwhile what I commonly see is people dunking on anything Musk-related because they dislike him, but give a free pass on similar things if it's not related to him.
  - brahma-dev 9mo ago
    Every island is capable of hosting pedophiles, but they don't. The one island that's famous for pedos is the one Musk wanted to be invited to. Find me more pedo islands, I'll dunk on them too very consistently. Whether it's AI with CSAM or islands with pedos, Musk is definitely consistent.
Marsymars 9mo ago
Maybe tying together an uncensored AI model and a social network just isn't something that's ethical / should be legal to do. There are many things where each is legal/ethical to provide, and where combining them might make business sense, but where we, as a society have decided to not allow combining them.

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing) Well, yes. You can make child pornography with any video-editing software. How is this exoneration?

ls612 9mo ago
We don't go after Adobe for doing that. We go after the person who did it.
jdross 9mo ago
Well you could not sue the video-editing software for someone making child pornography with it. You would, quite sanely, go after the pedophiles themselves.
kouteiheika 9mo ago
I'm not talking about video editing software; that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models, which you can download today onto your computer, and have it do the same thing as Grok does. > How is this exoneration? I don't know; you tell me where I said it was? I'm just stating a fact that Grok isn't unique here, and if you want to ban Grok because of it then you need to also ban open weight models which can do exactly the same thing.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models And the article is talking about a social media site. A different class of software and company. > if you want to ban Grok Straw man. Nobody has suggested this.
  - Pedro_Ribeiro 9mo ago
    I think he is talking about France who does very much seem like they want to ban X and Grok?
    - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
      > France who does very much seem like they want to ban X and Grok? Source? I’m not seeing that in the French-language press.
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      If Grok is a child pornography tool then it will be banned. If Elon doesn't want Grok to be banned, he can disable the child pornography feature.
      - Pedro_Ribeiro 9mo ago
        Agreed, thankfully, there is no CSAM feature, and they patched it in a couple of days so that it would stop obeying requests to do so and banned the users abusing Grok for that purpose. Once they prove they have put the appropriate mechanisms in place to make sure it doesn't happen again it's fine and dandy, no?
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        If by patched you mean he made it cost money.
        9mo ago

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kouteiheika 9mo ago
No. I'm just saying that people should be consistent and if they apply a certain standard to Grok then they should also apply the same standard to other things. Be consistent. Meanwhile what I commonly see is people dunking on anything Musk-related because they dislike him, but give a free pass on similar things if it's not related to him.
- brahma-dev 9mo ago
  Every island is capable of hosting pedophiles, but they don't. The one island that's famous for pedos is the one Musk wanted to be invited to. Find me more pedo islands, I'll dunk on them too very consistently. Whether it's AI with CSAM or islands with pedos, Musk is definitely consistent.

Marsymars 9mo ago

Maybe tying together an uncensored AI model and a social network just isn't something that's ethical / should be legal to do. There are many things where each is legal/ethical to provide, and where combining them might make business sense, but where we, as a society have decided to not allow combining them.