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How many of the “working poor” can afford to fly and don’t have a drivers license? All 50 states and 5 US territories issue RealID compliant drivers license/ID
by raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
How many of the “working poor” can afford to fly and don’t have a drivers license?
All 50 states and 5 US territories issue RealID compliant drivers license/ID
- stonogo 9mo agoRealID licenses cost extra where I live. Your job can buy you a plane ticket but they can't get you through TSA.
- umeshunni 9mo agoIf your job wants you to fly, it should buy you an id that lets you fly. Have you never applied for a visa to travel on a business trip?
- stonogo 9mo agoyes, if there's one thing the working poor are known for, it's successfully extracting money from their employers. if uber wants you to rideshare, they should buy you a car, right?
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoHow many “working poor” have jobs that require business travel?
- stonogo 9mo agoIf the answer is more than "zero" then the fee is harmful. Since I've been in similar positions (specifically as a contractor, where I had to front-load expenses and submit for reimbursement), it seems pretty likely to me.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoYes so we are going to optimize an entire system for this mythical “working poor” business traveler? Every contractor has to do that. That’s the price you pay for going into that business (reason #999 thet while I work in cloud consulting I work full time for consulting companies). Even as a business traveler, I have to pay my own expenses and wait for reimbursement.
- stonogo 9mo agoI wasn't aware anyone had made the argument that this was an attempt to optimize anything. It's pretty obvious nobody's optimized anything in the TSA, ever.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoIt’s pretty optimal if you have TSA PreCheck + digital ID. I fly in and out of ATL - the busiest airport in the US and one of the busiest in the world - I walk up to the TSA line, look at the camera , scan my ticket. Then I take my wallet and my phone out of my pocket and put in my book bag, let it go through the scanner I walk through the scanner and grab my bookbag This is the same process we did flying back from Costa Rica and London last year with the addition of showing our passport. Everyone acts like this process is so much different than any other country. Except for not having my book bag on me, it’s the same process to get on the “Chunnel” from London to Paris
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoAre you saying our state offers both RealID and none RealID driver’s licenses?
- tfryman 9mo agoI know for a fact Kentucky offers both.
- hamdingers 9mo agoAll states do (for now). Not everyone qualified to drive is capable of proving their identity to the level RealID requires.
- ibejoeb 9mo agoAs far as I know, Florida does not issue documents that are not REAL ID compliant.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoAnd this is the same state that said they will have drivers license tests in English only
- ibejoeb 9mo agoThat would be sensible if the traffic signs were in English.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoTraffic signs have symbols and shapes. You are allowed to drive in the US with an international drivers license if you don’t speak English. Are they going to arrest someone who doesn’t speak English and got a license in another state?
- AngryData 9mo agoOnly if being illiterate also forbade you from driving, which it does not. You don't need to read the law to follow the law.
- Aurornis 9mo ago> RealID licenses cost extra where I live. Where is that? I’m curious. Around here, RealID is just what you’re issued when you renew various forms of ID. I don’t even recall an option to get a non-RealID version.
- QuadmasterXLII 9mo agofor what its worth, my state made it unpleasant enough that it was easier to just got a non-real id and a renew the ol passport
- nxobject 9mo agoI'm in Oregon, and that's the case - about $30 extra. More people than you think don't have access to supplemental documentation required to meet extra requirements – people who don't have current travel documents, people who've just moved into town, people who don't have current documentation of address (e.g. the homeless, people in the foster care system, etc.) It's pragmatic to have: plenty of people don't or can't fly, and the cost of supporting this option is marginal.
- fc417fc802 9mo ago> More people than you think don't have access to supplemental documentation required to meet extra requirements I have access but deliberately choose not to provide it. Growing up I was told something about voting with my feet. Not so sure it works very well in practice though.
- hansvm 9mo agoIn CA it was cheaper and (far) easier to get a normal license and a passport.
- FireBeyond 9mo agoWashington State. $7/yr more for a Real ID license - $42 more the 6 year license and $60 more for the 10. https://dol.wa.gov/driver-licenses-and-permits/driver-licensing-fees https://dol.wa.gov/driver-licenses-and-permits/driver-licens...
- umeshunni 9mo ago> How many of the “working poor” can afford to fly and don’t have a drivers license? What he really means is illegals who have fake ids who now can't get RealIDs.
- OkayPhysicist 9mo agoUndocumented immigrants can have authentic, non-"RealID" ids, as things such as drivers licenses are the purview of the states, and infringement there upon is an attack on their constitutional sovereignty. California, for example, is perfectly happy to give out drivers licenses to anybody who can establish residency and pass the test, since there's no sense in creating a double jeopardy situation wherein because someone has committed one crime (illegally immigrating to California), they are forced to commit an additional crime (driving without a license). It's the same reason the IRS gives you a spot to declare your bribes and other illegal income.
- II2II 9mo ago> It's the same reason the IRS gives you a spot to declare your bribes and other illegal income. The California example makes sense. They aren't asking a question that would lead to the admission of a crime. The IRS example doesn't make sense, since they are asking a question that would lead to the admission of a crime. Even if the answer was legally protected, a government who does not respect the law (or one that changes the law) could have nasty repercussions.
- wat10000 9mo agoThe IRS doesn’t ask for specifics so I don’t think it’s legally an admission of a crime. Saying “I took a bribe” doesn’t make you legally guilty of taking a bribe. You’d have to say when, from who, and for what.
- jjk166 9mo agoThe accepted legal method of declaring illicit gains on your tax documents is pleading the 5th amendment for specific questions related to the source of the funds. Fun fact, you can also take deduct business expenses for many expensees related to illegal activities if you otherwise qualify for them, for example legal fees. There are specific restrictions but they are surprisingly narrow.
- t-3 9mo agoFlying domestically is usually cheaper than driving once you get past the range of a tank of gas or two. Also, RealID isn't fully permeated yet - my state won't fully phase out non-RealIDs until 2029.
- kube-system 9mo agoFor a single person going between two major metro areas, for sure. But a lot of the working poor have families and travel to/from places that aren't major metro areas, and this can change the math really fast.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoAnd even if there is an airport, it costs a lot more to fly into a small captive airport. For instance my parents live in South GA where the local airport has three commercial flights a day all on Delta and all fly to and from ATL
- kube-system 9mo agoYeah, that's part of what I'm getting at. Smaller airports can be much more expensive and lack options for transportation to the final destination. For exurb or rural destinations a rental car may be required.
- jjk166 9mo agoNo one is arguing the working poor exclusively fly, the point is there are plenty of people who do fly for whom the fee is significant.
- kube-system 9mo agoI know. I was simply disputing the idea that ~600+ mile flights are cheaper than driving. They only are in very specific circumstances.
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