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Canada is embarking on a trade agreement with India and collectively our greatest fear is the immigration issue. Canada's immigration is already quite lop-side
by breitling 8mo ago
Canada is embarking on a trade agreement with India and collectively our greatest fear is the immigration issue. Canada's immigration is already quite lop-sided.
- mlmonkey 8mo agoTrade != Immigration
- schnebbau 8mo agoRight but if you want a favorable trade deal then you gotta throw in some immigration sweeteners.
- disgruntledphd2 8mo agoParticularly with India, that's normally one of their top requests.
- givemeethekeys 8mo agoWhy is it a top request from India? What does the Indian government get out of letting their kids overpay for education abroad?
- annodomini2019 8mo agoIndia gets a metric fuckload of money back in remittances every year. Debatable if that's actually worth the brain drain, but then there's also the angle of having your young people learn from the rest of the world and return with new skills. I lean more towards the remittances though.
- aurareturn 8mo agoGovernments don’t want smart people. They want dumb people because they are easier to control.
- inglor_cz 8mo agoAre dumb people, in fact, easier to control? I have seen a lot of smart people in thrall of ideologies that could be used to manipulate them left and right at will. Meanwhile, true morons tend to be unpredictably chaotic.
- aurareturn 8mo agoYea. Dumb people are lower class and uneducated. Give them a few bonuses and they’ll happily shut up.
- phainopepla2 8mo agoThis explains why governments never subsidize universities
- aurareturn 8mo agoMost do enough to keep their people from revolting.
- givemeethekeys 8mo agoIndian government universities are subsidized but difficult to get into and don’t get you on an automatic path to leaving for a better destination.
- gordonhart 8mo ago1. ~4% of their GDP is from remittances, compared to <1% a few decades ago[0] 2. India has a massive male surplus[1] and they actively look to send them abroad to prevent domestic unrest [0] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.TRF.PWKR.DT.GD.ZS?locations=IN https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.TRF.PWKR.DT.GD.ZS?lo... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India
- joe_mamba 8mo ago> look to send them abroad to prevent domestic unrest Great, now other countries can import and share that domestic social unrest from the oversupply of frustrated reproductive age celibate males, all in the name of making GDP number go up. Lovely. Surely using hindsight of documented history and well researched human behavior science, we can't already predict this will lead to a rise in political far right extremism, and everyone will be shocked as if it will suddenly come out of nowhere, and then the local males will exclusively be to blame for it, leading to further frustration, radicalisation and disenfranchisement. Surely this is not EXACTLY what's gonna happen.
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- SanjayMehta 8mo agoThey can then reserve even more seats in education for the "oppressed."
- breitling 8mo agoMark Carney should know that it would be an _extremely_ unpopular move right now to allow India more access to immigrate here.
- OddMerlin 8mo ago"Should know" and expecting a logical outcome is wishful.
- RhysabOweyn 8mo agoImmigration is absolutely a part of this deal. Interestingly, EU official communications and western media barely mention this, but the Indian government's official communication tout a "new framework for mobility" that will "open up new opportunities in the European Union for Indian students, workers, and professionals." [1] [1] https://www.mea.gov.in/Speeches-Statements.htm?dtl%2F40615%2FEnglish_Translation_of_Prime_Ministers_Press_Statement_during_the_Joint_Press_Statement_with__President_of_the_European_Council_and_President_of_the_E= https://www.mea.gov.in/Speeches-Statements.htm?dtl%2F40615%2...
- rawgabbit 8mo agoThe quote is “Alongside this ambitious FTA, we are also creating a new framework for mobility. This will open up new opportunities in the European Union for Indian students, workers, and professionals.” I read it as he is working on a separate deal besides the aforementioned FTA.
- tpm 8mo agoAs the immigration is governed by the member states themselves and not by the EU, I don't see how it can be "a part of this deal". Which is probably why the media don't mention this. There is nothing to mention.
- diego_moita 8mo ago> Canada's immigration is already quite lop-sided. I don't even understand what "lop-sided" means here. Would you say that Canada's oil and softwood businesses are lop-sided because we produce and export a lot of it? Or that the groceries' market is lop-sided because we don't produce a lot of it and therefore have to import? Canada is an importer of people (not only from India) because it can't produce a lot of people. It is not different from groceries.
- franktankbank 8mo agoIs it typical to consider immigration as a trade similar to apples and oranges?
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 8mo agoTo politicians and economists humans are fungible.
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- modo_mario 8mo ago>because it can't produce a lot of people. So does every country that can't grow it's population indefinitely need to import a ton of people? What is the endgame there? And I thought trade in people as some kind of fungible economic token was out of vogue.
- breitling 8mo agoWhy not import from a variety of countries to preserve the social fabric? https://preview.redd.it/in-the-first-three-months-of-2025-canada-saw-104-000-new-v0-ytku6w3vkr3f1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=069b8ba245046ff2b61003523208d95593d6f78b https://preview.redd.it/in-the-first-three-months-of-2025-ca...
- triceratops 8mo agoIs India lacking in variety? It has more languages than Europe. Variety isn't a bad idea in and of itself. But you're making the mistake of assuming all the people who live inside a particular nation's boundaries are the same.
- franktankbank 8mo agoDo you feel like your govt represents you?
- breitling 8mo agoThe current Carney govt? Maybe. Too soon to tell, but things are heading in the right direction. The previous Trudeau govt? Absolutely not. He was the prime minister of everyone except Canadians.
- throwaway85825 8mo agoCarney is a new face with the same cabinet. Nothing has fundamentally changed or will change.
- poncho_romero 8mo agoDo you believe Trudeau could have made a speech like Carney did at Davos? Or that he would have been so active in signing new trade deals and international agreements, or on dismantling internal trade barriers? I think there is a world of difference between them.
- throwaway85825 8mo agoUsing different words and acting in the same way.
- mekdoonggi 8mo agoCanadians don't seem to have their priorities straight if they are more concerned about having a few more Indian neighbors than the US threatening to invade.
- breitling 8mo agoWhat's a "few more" to you? Look at this chart for example: https://preview.redd.it/in-the-first-three-months-of-2025-canada-saw-104-000-new-v0-ytku6w3vkr3f1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=069b8ba245046ff2b61003523208d95593d6f78b https://preview.redd.it/in-the-first-three-months-of-2025-ca...
- DesaiAshu 8mo agoWelcome to the world by population that speaks English
- zalthor 8mo agoThat’s about 30k people? So a 0.075% increase in your population with people from India (Not accounting for any departures back to India)
- breitling 8mo agoThat's 30%, not 30K
- triceratops 8mo ago30% of 100k = 30k.
- breitling 8mo agoThat 100K is just in 3 months. We are growing rapidly.
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- uv-depression 8mo ago> collectively our greatest fear Citation very much needed. This sounds like _your_ concern that you're trying to launder through projecting onto the rest of the country.
- breitling 8mo agoHere ya go bud: https://abacusdata.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Slide6-1.png https://abacusdata.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Slide6-1.pn... It is one of the top 5 issues for ALL Canadians.
- uv-depression 8mo agoLeaving aside the fact that this is a single picture of a chart with no source provided (or sample size, or methodology)... that's eighth on that chart, not fifth, and just says "immigration" with no further detail.
- dyauspitr 8mo agoNumber 8 on the list?
- poncho_romero 8mo agoCanada as a whole has been pro immigration for a long time, but our immigration system was broken in recent years, and the most visible consequence of that has been an enormous increase in low skill, low wage Indian workers. A lot of people who have never had issues with immigration policy before have become very anti Indian immigration as a result.
- uv-depression 8mo ago> A lot of people who have never had issues with immigration policy before have become very anti Indian immigration as a result. So we just let racists determine national policy now? I wonder how that's working out in the US.
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