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Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got
by ccozan 9mo ago
Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live.
Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) .
[ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]
- heraldgeezer 9mo ago>For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Sounds like an access line issue with DSL (lol) DSL is so old you can't even order it in Sweden anymore. Also, the post above would be a core issue not access.
- blauditore 9mo agoExcuse me, I remember when DSL was the latest and greatest, it can't possibly be this old. :')
- jillesvangurp 9mo agoThat would be ~25 years ago. I remember getting my first ADSL connection around 2000 in the Netherlands when that stuff was still very new.
- retired 9mo agoKPN MXstream! Thanks for making me feel old. I got flashbacks of spending multiple evenings configuring PPTP in Linux without being able to access the internet just to get internet access. I remember having to walk to a buddies home just to check the tutorial: https://rj.home.xs4all.nl/mxstream/ https://rj.home.xs4all.nl/mxstream/
- heraldgeezer 9mo agoI mean yes me too, but that was in 2005. I feel like "everyone" got fibre here 10 years ago and if not there is 4/5G mobile broadband.
- kybernetyk 9mo agoI'm glad Vodafone is available where I live. They're not better but at least they're an alternative. Also Telekom manages only to deliver 250mbit/s while Vodafone gets 1gbit/s. Last apartment I rented Telekom was the only option and that was one of the reasons why I decided to move. Starlink I would love to try but as there's building and trees blocking the horizon it's not an option here sadly.
- direwolf20 9mo agoVodafone seems also terrible, but maybe better than DT?
- preya2k 9mo agoNot an alternative anymore. Vodafone started doing the same shit with their peering at the end of last year.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 9mo agoBoth throttle in my area unless we vpn so I just share a vpn with a friend to fix it.
- trinix912 9mo agoExcept that with Telekom they answer to the German courts which might eventually force them to stop doing this but with Starlink you're at the mercy of some dudes halfway across the globe. If/when Starlink reaches the enshittification phase, there will be very little in the way.
- blauditore 9mo agoThe bright side of this is that there is at least some sort of competition, since they operate on very different infrastucture. This is the free market premise on how quality and price should improve. Reality is often different though, because most customers are not really comparing and/or voting with their feet.
- kybernetyk 9mo agoMeh, the threat vector to me as a resident of Germany is the German government - not some dude at the other end of the world. What is Musk going to do? Ban me from Twitter? Not sell me a Tesla? That's nothing compared to what German authorities can do to me. Germany is a country where you get police searching your home for torrenting movies or making stupid jokes on Facebook. So yeah. Also about enshittification - one could argue that our local ISPs never left that phase to begin with.
- zelphirkalt 9mo agoHe could just turn off Starlink in Germany. And yes, German ISPs suck donkey ass.
- amelius 9mo agoHe could sell information about which websites you visit.
- ThrowawayTestr 9mo agoSo can every website with a tracking cookie
- shevy-java 9mo ago> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad situation, lose-lose here. I don't think the price difference is the primary problem though; the behaviour of Telekom is the problem. That must change. The state has to ensure fairness rather than allow monopolies to milk The People.
- em-bee 9mo agoare all starlink connections routed through the US? don't they do local downlinks? at least for countries they have an agreement with or where the infrastructure is available?
- lucianbr 9mo agoWhat does it matter where they are routed through? You think your Starlink service in Germany is beyond the control of Musk or the US government?
- direwolf20 9mo agoI think Musk cares about revenue more than pissing off some random customer in Germany. As long as you don't stand out from the crowd, he'd rather have your $40. Use a VPN to be sure.
- hdgvhicv 9mo agoUntil the us government says to withhold service or to tap the line. Musk is a subject of the US president. Like all American CEO’s he has to pay his tribute and jump when the president’s law enforcement says to.
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- avra 9mo agoHow can a satellite connection be more weather independent than a landline? Not questioning your statement. Just wondering what could be the reason. A segment with a long distance directional antenna?
- Doohickey-d 9mo agoWith ADSL: broken waterproofing somewhere along the line, water gets into the cables or connections == broken while it's raining. Then you call their customer support, tech comes out, it's not raining anymore and everything works, and the problem doesn't get fixed.
- ccozan 9mo agoExactly what I am suspecting! I called so many times: nothing found all works as expected. As for the starlink: I noticed that clouds or weather ( rain snow ) does not have a true effect. Must be the frequency is not absorbed by the water in the air or similar effects. Only hard blocking with construction or big canopies of trees is struggling.
- attendant3446 9mo agoMy experience was slightly different. I mean, yes, there pretty much no 'non crappy' German internet providers, but nothing was as bad as Vodafone.
- cyberpunk 9mo agoTelefonica enters the chat.w
- ThatMedicIsASpy 9mo agoNot true. https://www.lwlhome.de/ https://www.lwlhome.de/
- ccozan 9mo agosame as https://www.m-net.de/ https://www.m-net.de/ Advantage over telekom: they own the city and the can lay fiber whereever they want without state intervention.
- juliangmp 9mo agoThats cool and all but the majority of the country still has one, or at most two choices :/
- attendant3446 9mo agoI didn't say there are none at all. And I've heard that internet from small internet providers can actually be good. But after living in 3 different apartments there, I never had a luxury to be able to connect the internet from a small provider. Their coverage is very, very limited. So it always was Telekom/Vodafone/o2.
- Blemiono 9mo ago[flagged]
- retired 9mo agoThis person just wants internet that doesn't frequently cut out. Don't blame them for their choices. Blame Telekom and its shareholders for not being able to reliably supply broadband internet in 2026. Blame the government for not having consumer protection regarding right to internet access. But don't blame this person for just doing what is necessary for having basic internet access.
- Blemiono 9mo agoCome on... He survived before and now he supports a democracy killer
- ThatMedicIsASpy 9mo agoDepending on the age of Starlink you could add 10-30 to the bill for its power consumption.
- pona-a 9mo agoI don't have think this is sustainable. There can physically be only so many satellites before we reach Kessler syndrome. The costs will rise as the quality of service falls, and there market for alternative land-based ISPs will not have developed.
- Fnoord 9mo ago> Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Haha, I used to have that as well when tech swapped from ADSL2 to VDSL2 (IIRC skipped out on VDSL1), except then the line wasn't down, I'd have severe packet loss (which resulted in lag in gaming, and disconnects). So they blamed our inner house's phone lines. Then some dude came, checked everything in the house, and couldn't find the issue. I said of course not, it isn't raining. After it got escalated further it turned out it was rotten equipment at the DSLAM. They replaced it and boom, problem was gone. No hair on my head (and I ain't bald knock on wood) wants to have all my internet traffic first routed through an American neonazi, but if the choice is nothing (or something severely broken) or that, I can see where you are coming from. Whereas I can pick between FttH (XGS-PON), DSL (VDSL2), or cable. With the latter two being fiber up till a few hunderd meters to my house (I know where both PoPs physically are in the neighborhood, as I have seen technicians on both places). The fiber one is further away, and larger (for more households), but that is OK. It can handle that much distance. Technician showed me a photo from his smartphone when my fiber got down due to specifically my fiber connectivity destroyed at the PoP. That was a lot of fiber I saw. Good cable management though.
- ccozan 9mo agoIt was a busines decision for me: being in customer meetings and suddenly dropping out was unacceptable. Or not being able to access critical data. Vodafone LTA coverage is average at best and data is severily limited ( 15 GBs ). Really out of options here!! While I chuckled at "American neonazi", the company SpaceX is doing great things.