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Second Win11 emergency out of band update to address disastrous Patch Tuesday

221 points by speckx 10mo ago

z2 10mo ago
I for one am enjoying my last few months of Windows 10, stable, responsive, no surprise updates at last.
- gruez 10mo ago
  Windows 10 is still supported until 2032 if you use LTSC
  - userbinator 10mo ago
    Even without MS' support it'll still work fine. In fact, it's arguably better that way. The old saying about known unknowns vs. unknown unknowns comes to mind.
    - Zetaphor 10mo ago
      The support you're paying for is security updates against 0-day attacks. Once you stop receiving those then your machine becomes open season for botnets
      - userbinator 10mo ago
        That is pure FUD. Machines behind a firewall are not going to be affected at all.
        artificialLimbs 10mo ago
        As long as you don’t run that one file.
        agadius 10mo ago
        Microsoft security patches doesn’t protect you from doing that. Unsupported Win 10 behind firewall is perfectly fine, as long as you use an updated browser
        tech234a 10mo ago
        Even that won't last forever. Notably, Edge is only guaranteeing updates until October 2028 [1], coinciding with the end of Windows 10's 3-year ESU period. Previously, Chromium ended support for Windows 7 at the end of its ESU period (which was also the end of support for Windows 8.1) [2]. However, Firefox continues to support Windows 7/8.1 by providing security updates for an older ESR version of Firefox 115; they appear to be re-evaluating whether to continue support every 6 months, currently set to end in March 2026. [1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-supported-operating-systems https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-... [2]: https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsetting-support-for-windows-7-8-1-in-early-2023 https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsettin... [3]: https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr
        userbinator 10mo ago
        I have patched Firefox 115 to run on XP, so no doubt it would be much easier to continue doing it for something as new as Win10.
        Bluecobra 10mo ago
        I’m not so sure if you are using a web browser. Even the best enterprise firewall with SSL decryption and the best whizz bang features probably wouldn’t stop some novel zero day RCE. WannaCry was so bad that even WinXP and Server 2000/2003 got updates.
        Zetaphor 10mo ago
        Ah yes, everyone knows that a firewall is the ultimate defense against malware and software vulnerabilities. I'll see your firewall and raise you one web browser.
      - somat 10mo ago
        By definition no support protects you from a zero day attack, A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all.
        gruez 10mo ago
        >A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all. You should look at the CVE list that's fixed every month. Surely you agree it's important to have those exploits patched, especially since baddies can reverse engineer the patches to find the original exploits?
        somat 10mo ago
        Yes, but they can only be analyzed, patched and distributed "After" the attack is known. A zero day attack is where there have been zero days since the attack mechanism is discovered(by the victim, not the attacker obviously), there is no after. There is no time for a fix to be developed. When you get hit one day after the attack vector is known that would be a one day attack. if you get a fix one day after the attack that would be a one day patch. If the vulnerability gets discovered and patched before the attack occurs, then there is no zero day attack. only multi day ones on people who did not get or apply the patch.
    - keyringlight 10mo ago
      As someone mentioned upthread, that's fine until some software you rely upon starts using something not present on older versions. It's one of the points that I keep in mind with most "what OS?" discussions, the OS by itself isn't really that useful but what it lets you do is. When win7 +3 year extended support ended that was the time chromium framework dropped support, and when projects using it updated then they would also need to drop win7 support (or "your mileage may vary" territory). I expect 2028 onwards may see another gradual win10 migration wave.
- john01dav 10mo ago
  If you want stable, responsive, and old, use Debian, possibly with XFCE. Then, you have patches for security issues too.
- lawn 10mo ago
  I for one been enjoying Linux for years. No surprise updates or AI slop forced down my throat.
metadat 10mo ago
Is it only cloud storage files? I've noticed that in 2026 my windows 11 machine is slower than ever before, by a lot- barely able to render web pages.
- Bluecobra 10mo ago
  That sounds like there’s something else amiss because that definitely should not happen. For example, I was working on a family member’s Win 11 laptop (a budget 2018 HP laptop upgraded from Win10) that was absurdly slow. It would take 5 minutes to power on and open a web browser and even that was extremely sluggish. The specs were decent except for one thing—the local storage was a crappy 1TB 5200 RPM HDD. The drive was functionally ok, but I couldn’t find a way to get it out of 100% disk I/O. I ended up just cloning the drive to an old spare SATA SSD that was laying around and that immediately solved the issue. Windows was zippy and very usable again. I couldn’t believe they put up with this nonsense for years. Not sure if the HDD was just a lemon or something changed in Windows that rendered low RPM hard drives useless.
  - fuzzfactor 10mo ago
    >they put up with this nonsense for years. It didn't used to be so bad. It was really not that long ago that Windows really ramped up spending most of the users' resources on things which work against the user. While still getting not much new accomplished that most users were asking for. >something changed in Windows that rendered low RPM hard drives useless. This is exactly it. More than one thing changed in "unison", and not for the better. Just fixed one of the 2019 HP's for my family which came with W10 1809 version on the same (actually decent) HDD. This was a pretty nice laptop and not the budget model. It was not too bad when he got it but he had gotten some useless performance-hogging downloads and it was W10 Home to be taken off the internet anyway. While waiting for the NVMe and some more memory, his partitions were then backed up to external media before experimenting with the built-in HP factory recovery method. Which wiped the HDD and started Windows 10 Home fresh like it was 2019, including of course the HP-specific software. If it was my PC I would have curtailed or uninstalled a selected good bit of the HP stuff, along with things like OneDrive from Windows, and limited the Windows settings to only those I particularly need. So that's what I did. It takes a little time but then it feels about as satisfyingly like a new PC has been doing for decades. Boots fast and everything is pretty responsive, especially without going on the internet. And that's with the HDD set up like it was originally. When W11 first came out I had already shrunken his main partition by some decent space and installed W11 there for a regular plain Microsoft dual-boot system (but he never liked w11), so did that again too using the newest W11 Pro 25H2. This was a clean install without any HP bloatware, but I did properly manually download then install all the device drivers to current versions which some of them need to come from HP. Without going on the internet, and with equivalent Windows settings it's a real dog by comparison. It naturally takes twice as much effort to set up one PC to dual-boot as if it was two different PC's, but after that the A/B testing back-to-back on identical hardware is as easy as it gets. When you look into it Windows 11 is just hammering the C: volume like it's never done before, almost constantly, needing simultaneous reads & writes so much it would have been way more widespread ridicule if most people had not already been on SSD's before W11 "accelerated" the march of sluggishness. W11 is a huge difference in what you see from older W10, back when loads of these laptops for a few years had W10 on 5400rpm HDDs and very few users could intuitively point to that one factor being worse than any other Windows performance degradation that came along in years before. Now anybody could tell the difference if they tested on a more level playing field like this. Once the NVMe was in he's now got the W11 Pro 25H2 and the W10 LTSC 2021 which does look like peak Windows. Neither one is nearly as frustrating as on HDD, but you can tell there is something very unfortunately wrong with W11 by direct comparison still. Once you get on the internet it does get worse and stays worse. In addition to the very frequent simultaneous read/writes of the storage drive, then you've got all kinds of simultaneous send/receive actions to your network on top of that. And W11 is now up to 4GB of Windows Update per month, where W10 only took about 1GB to update all the way from the 2021 ISO. Dwarfing W10 with a bunch of things that weren't needed at all for Windows 10 to do fine, so why can't it get better instead of worse?
gethly 10mo ago
#winning
iJohnDoe 10mo ago
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- e2le 10mo ago
  Microsoft was on a downward trajectory long before Satya Nadella's tenure.
  - rmunn 10mo ago
    I actually credit Nadella with restoring some amount of Microsoft's reputation. It was Nadella who, on his first year after taking over from Ballmer, stood on the stage in front of a big "MS (heart) Linux" banner and talked about how Microsoft was going to be doing more in the Linux world (I don't recall details). That was also when Microsoft started publishing more things as open-source: VS Code, almost everything related to C# and dotnet... None of which, I believe, would have happened with Ballmer and his mindset at the helm. That was the point at which I stopped saying "Oh, it came from MS, it's going to be low-quality code". Some of their code is halfway decent. Of course, none of the code I consider to be halfway decent is part of Windows... EDIT to add: I agree that they've been going downhill the past few years, though. And I don't think it's a coincidence that that corresponds with the tendency for some devs (not all, thankfully, but too many) offloading too much of their thinking to LLMs and uncritically pushing insufficiently-reviewed slop into the code review process. I suspect MS has the same problems as other companies with that, perhaps more because of internal pressure (I assume, I have no insider knowledge) to use Copilot.
- Insanity 10mo ago
  Source? This sounds like a racist take even if there would be a modicum of truth to it.
- shakna 10mo ago
  Nah, I wouldn't call it outsourcing. They have AI usage KPIs. [1] > "We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication..." > "We need to make deliberate choices on how we diffuse this technology in the world as a solution to the challenges of people and planet," Nadella says. "For AI to have societal permission it must have real world eval impact." > https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-really-wants-you-to-stop-calling-ai-slop-in-2026 https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-ceo-satya... [1] https://adoption.microsoft.com/files/copilot/Unlocking-AIs-Impact-whitepaper.pdf https://adoption.microsoft.com/files/copilot/Unlocking-AIs-I...
adithyassekhar 10mo ago
The start menu search is turning blank and shows a white screen whenever I search anything. Similar to how react apps break. It's been like this for 6 momths, across two laptops, fresh install of 25h2.
- mindracer 10mo ago
  Search on Windows is completely pointless, it’s been broken for years at this point. I’ve installed PowerToys and use Command Palette now
  - londons_explore 10mo ago
    It was never good when you compare to internet search. On the internet I can search for "pictures of the eiffel tower". If I try the same on my own computer I expect to find photos from the time I took the family to paris... Yet I don't.
    - Propelloni 10mo ago
      And yet Gnome and KDE have no troubles doing just that if you activate the corresponding plug-ins for the respective search engines (Tracker and Baloo). How you access them is a matter of taste, but both integrate into your runner dialog or launch menu, if you wish.
    - 1718627440 10mo ago
      But that's not the point of the Start Menu. The purpose is to quickly start programs with a fixed name, not to do a natural language query. Yet it sucks with that simple task. If programs would add themselves to the PATH, then Win-R would be a worthy replacement. As they don't, it is not.
  - embedding-shape 10mo ago
    > I’ve installed PowerToys and Does PowerToys still installs new updates once a work-day, and never delete it's old updates so you end up with GBs of useless .exe's? Remember discovering about 200GB of old updates back when I was still using Windows.
nayroclade 10mo ago
Slop Tuesday
- sails01 10mo ago
  Copilot Tuesday
- kuerbel 10mo ago
  Microslop producing slop by using github slopilot, now supported by claude slopus 4.5
- The_President 10mo ago
  Maybe it'll come full circle and we'll have Patch Fridays.
wetpaws 10mo ago
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acheron 10mo ago
Vibe patching
JohnLeitch 10mo ago
I was hit by this. Could RDP into machines using the regular client, but could not access Dev Boxes via Windows App. Getting real sick of the low quality AI slop.
mrcsharp 10mo ago
Using React in core parts of the Windows Shell, Microsof's inability to design and release an application using non-web technologies, and the sluggishness and lagginess and bloat of Windows in general has finally pushed me to dual boot Fedora on a separate drive. It is very nice having an Operating system that respects the Hardware I own and makes efficient use of it. My experience has been very good so far. Every device in my custom built desktop PC worked immediately. The only driver I had to build and install was for my XBOX Wireless dongle. Gaming has been really damn good. I installed Steam and my games just worked. No fiddling around with configs or anything. Even installing a custom Proton version to try it out is very simple. I've been on Fedora now for nearly a month and only boot into Windows for work. Eventually, I might get rid of Windows entirely. It'll take a massive U-turn from Microsoft on the philosophy for Windows for me to change my opinion now.
- mrgaro 10mo ago
  I was just helping my dad with a brand new Lenovo laptop with Windows 11. It felt unbelievable slow and sluggish. Just opening file manager to create a new folder lagged so much it felt like this would have been a 15 years old computer.
  - poilcn 10mo ago
    While I personally use Ubuntu on my laptop for several years now, when I helped my relative with a brand new laptop (huawei) with Windows 11 I was suprised how fast it was despite being very cheap, I don't remember any version of Windows that had such a performance, at least visually. Out of curiosity, what model does your father have?
    - mrgaro 10mo ago
      It's a Lenovo Yoga 9i with an Intel EVO i5 CPU. Not sure how much memory it has.
    - toyg 10mo ago
      To me it's generally pretty quick outside of File Explorer. The reskinned File Explorer is an absolute car crash - it's like they've taken everything that made 2005 KDE awkward and bolted it on top of Windows.
robertoandred 10mo ago
Hyphens please.
benguild 10mo ago
are they vibe coding?
- SSchick 10mo ago
  They do as the slop king Satya guides (yes).
  - arresin 10mo ago
    He wants more “diffusion”. Slopya says “diffusion” so you better “diffusion”. They need AI… DIFFUSION
- spaceman_2020 10mo ago
  Vibe coding with Github copilot, no less
Melatonic 10mo ago
And this is why I'm still running Win10 LTSC. No bloat, super fast, still gets security updates.
- ant6n 10mo ago
  How do you get a valid license?
  - hobolobo 10mo ago
    This is the current method of choice https://massgrave.dev/ https://massgrave.dev/
  - antonkochubey 10mo ago
    You don't, you pirate it. If you paid perfectly working, non-vibecoded dollars for Windows 11 Pro which became utterly broken, pirating whatever you need from Microslop to actually having a working computer is morally right.
    - 1718627440 10mo ago
      > If you paid perfectly working, non-vibecoded dollars for Windows 11 Pro then you already have a license.
      - greycol 10mo ago
        Not for the 'working' version of windows which is LTSC or enterprise not pro. Unfortunately they don't sell single LTSC licenses to individuals
        Melatonic 10mo ago
        There are smaller VARs that will sell you one. Not hard at all
    - p_ing 10mo ago
      My Win 11 Pro install is not "utterly broken" and is actually quite responsive. What did I do wrong on my 5800X3D w/ 4090?
curiousgal 10mo ago
People are blaming vibe coding but the real culprit was hiring leetcoders in the first place. I genuinely believe the stark decrease in quality of most products across the industry has been driven by that.
- lesser-shadow 10mo ago
  [dead]
- The_President 10mo ago
  A developer said to me once, outside of work hours: "Why are you serious about [fundamentals]? [Framework] is where all the money is at." Work cultures that embrace those with his philosophy will have trouble. And here we are.
  - markus_zhang 10mo ago
    Where can I find places that value fundamentals AND is willing to hire someone relatively junior, but has the proof of self-teaching fundamentals?
    - sirwhinesalot 10mo ago
      They exist but are rare and don't hire often. I know a guy (self taught programmer) who got his first major a job at a company doing native ui (not even using OS frameworks, straight GPU stuff). The company does highly complex simulation software used by movie studios for explosions and other effects. He got hired by word of mouth recommendation from someone at the company that had met him. It takes as much luck as it takes skill to get these sorts of jobs, sadly.
      - markus_zhang 10mo ago
        Thanks! I'm going to grind and network more.
henning 10mo ago
it is so annoying when Jonathan Blow says batshit unhinged shit about "the collapse of civilization" and he is kind of right.
- arresin 10mo ago
  You know better than jblow to call him crazy? I definitely don’t.
- ifwinterco 10mo ago
  I can't judge the severity but his basic point is absolutely correct
- christophilus 10mo ago
  If you mean his conference talk by that title, what was batshit unhinged in it? I remember thinking he was spot on. (Then again, if you called me “batshit unhinged”, you wouldn’t be the first to do it, and you may well be right.)
CSMastermind 10mo ago
Microsoft has seemingly been in a slow but steady decline for 10 years now. Really needs to be studied. It's like they started making structural decisions a decade ago that are now overwhelming their ability to deliver basic functionality. I realize there were always problems like this, I live through Windows ME, but it does feel qualitatively different now with advertising being forced into the product, performance of no consideration at all, etc.
- niyazpk 10mo ago
  Microsoft, Apple, Amazon ...
- lostlogin 10mo ago
  > Microsoft has seemingly been in a slow but steady decline for 10 years Sort of matching the decline of Intel too.
  - marginalia_nu 10mo ago
    Intel was resting on their laurels throughout most of the 2010s, while AMD floundered and couldn't catch up. By the time AMD got their shit together with Ryzen, Intel had all but been defeated by their own complacency.
- dgxyz 10mo ago
  All products seem to decline the moment the revenue model switches to monthly recurring. This is always contrary to the promise that they won't and that money will be invested in product improvements. If you think it's bad now wait until they consolidate the rental PC market (Bezos and Nadella are all over that)
  - 1718627440 10mo ago
    Because they are no longer competing with their own previous version. This means they only compete with the other crap, or don't care because they are a monopoly.
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SCdF 10mo ago
Look I have no idea if this is related, but I have noticed recently, talking to other developers, that the addiction / allure of the speed that coding with AI agents gives you is leading to a relaxation of their standard quality bar. This doesn't even feel like the evil overlords whipping them more, it is self-inflicted. When you can get multiple different agents to all work on things and you are bouncing between them, careful review of their code becomes the bottleneck. So you start lowering your bar to "good enough", where "good enough" is not really good enough. It's a new good enough, which is like you squinting at the code and as long as the shape is vaguely ok, and the code works (where that means you click around a bit and it seems fine), it's ok. Over time you lose your "theory"[1] of the software, and I would imagine that makes you effectively lower your bar even further, because you are less attached to what good should look like. This is all anecdotal on my end, but it does feel like quality as a whole in the industry has tanked in the last maybe 12 months? It feels like there are more outages than normal. I couldn't find a good temporal outage graph, but if you trust this: https://www.catchpoint.com/internet-outages-timeline https://www.catchpoint.com/internet-outages-timeline , the number of outages in 2025 is orders of magnitude up on 2024. Maybe this is because there are way more, maybe this is because they are now tracking way more, I'm not sure. But it definitely _feels_ like we are in for a bumpy ride over the next few years. [1] in the Programming as Theory Building sense: https://gareth.nz/ai-programming-as-theory-building.html https://gareth.nz/ai-programming-as-theory-building.html
- arresin 10mo ago
  Exactly right and by the time you get that theory back could you have just it all yourself?
  - lazide 10mo ago
    Do you get the impression the industry is caring about quality vs ‘good enough’ + cutting costs?
    - generic92034 10mo ago
      "The industry" is not that homogeneous. B2B Software firms keeping their products in maintenance for decades are very different from your B2C mobile gaming app creator.
arresin 10mo ago
I’m genuinely wondering if they’re using llms to code windows. Is that likely?
- conception 10mo ago
  10,000%.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago
  I mean, unless Windows is a special exception, almost certainly: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-as-30percent-of-microsoft-code-is-written-by-ai.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-a...
- SvenL 10mo ago
  I think there is even an internet meme showing a headline where Microsoft brags about how AI is doing more more coding and right below that headline another one where a decline in quality is mentioned.
- BrouteMinou 10mo ago
  It's mandatory. https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-internal-memo-using-ai-no-longer-optional-github-copilot-2025-6?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-internal-memo-usin...
akulbe 10mo ago
I still have my Windows 11 machine, but I haven't booted into it in a couple months now. The "Windows is going to be an agentic OS" announcement was the last straw. Linux and Mac it is.
- wjnc 10mo ago
  I would enjoy hooking up Claude to KDE with voice control and audio feedback, but am 100% on board with that it should be 100% the user deciding to go for that folly.
  - wasmainiac 10mo ago
    I mean, that would be a fun experiment on a VM, but I would not trust it directly on my work station, not the least because of privacy. It might might do a mass-mass-rm-rf https://x.com/tskulbru/status/2015148189897101622 https://x.com/tskulbru/status/2015148189897101622
    - direwolf20 10mo ago
      alias mass=sudo
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n1gg3rlicious 10mo ago
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nsoonhui 10mo ago
Last Thursday windows 11 forced an update on my Acer machine.It caused me BSOD: inaccessible boot device. It took me a reformat to solve the issue. I am now very wary of this Out of Band Update. I don't know the same problem is still there, or whether this update makes the problem any better or worse.
figassis 10mo ago
How do you patch something that was written by another colleague, using an LLM, that you also need an LLM to figure out? How do you find the subtle bugs? Working with LLMs I noticed, they try to implement things from scratch. I asked it to output the md5 hash of some string in the api response, it went on to implement the md5 algo and then called it. I simply did not have the time to check correctness so asked it to import a library I know. Someone might just have gone with it, shipped to prod and then bugs. It also introduced slight changes in the intended flow of your program, that if you aren’t fully aware, are unnoticeable until they compound and you’re too deep to go back because now 10 different weird behaviors are in prod, you’re not sure what the cause is or if they were actually intended. You just have no frame of reference because maybe you didn’t build all of it as part of a team. And those are the things you should have had tests for, but when you were writing the code yourself you were coding with intent, so you know when something was off. Now you build at the speed of thought and no longer know all the intents, only that the end result satisfies loosely written requirements.
- flohofwoe 10mo ago
  The bigger question is how the breakage made it through QA in the first place. Oh right, Microsoft fired all their QA a while back. They're quite a bit late to the 'move fast and break things' party.
  - kotaKat 10mo ago
    Maybe another virtual sticker or trophy or something will help motivate the unpaid Windows Insiders to find the bugs.
  - alex1138 10mo ago
    You know, I've speculated before that Facebook's video metrics fraud might have disrupted the entire industry, because people copy their "success". It's why autoplaying videos etc I wonder if MFABT is a similar justification Does MFABT work? It's possible. But people have complained about Facebook for years as a buggy product. And it doesn't fulfill what it's apparently meant to be used for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14147719 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14147719
PunchyHamster 10mo ago
How's that AI tools doing for you Microslop ?
- javcasas 10mo ago
  They are doing fine. It affects users, not customers.
samiv 10mo ago
Microsoft is an end stage software company that has exhausted natural growth in its desktop segment. When that happens to a company that is beholden to Wall Street the only ways are to start shitting on their "customers" and their employees. Cut costs and try engage in dark patterns and other shenanigans in order to keep getting the customer money and show growth. The relationship turns adverserial. I think this already happened way before but I speculate that the aggressive drive to slop and vibe coding while reducing head count is now coming around to start showing their effects in the software quality. I further speculate that before they had some senior/principal engineers that were the backstop holding things together but they've been let go too now. So there's nothing to stop AI slop taking over.
tibbydudeza 10mo ago
If it compiles - ship it.
markus_zhang 10mo ago
I wish David Cutler were still the head of Windows NT.
lousken 10mo ago
Microsoft management should be held accountable for this sh.. and laid off. It is obvious these people do not understand software development on such scale.
w4rh4wk5 10mo ago
You know, I am not a big fan of AI, but it really highlights who knows what they are doing, and who doesn't.
theglenn88_ 10mo ago
Wait... Outlook and OneDrive were usable??
mancerayder 10mo ago
I waited til the absolute last minute to upgrade from Win 10 to 11. I use the machine just for Steam games and in particular the graphics-heavy stuff that came out in the last year or two. Out of the blue, for months now, there's something causing the Shift key to remain magically stuck, and there's no way to troubleshoot it that I can tell. Everything is off - sticky keys, accessibility settings, all that garbagey Settings-not-Control-Panel that seems to move around all the time. If I mash shift a couple of times it returns to normal - almost as it Sticky Keys WAS active (and again all that stuff is disabled). What's annoying about Windows is that There's Nowhere to Go to fix problem - nothing is transparent. I can google away and I'll get people also experiencing this and there's no answer. With Linux and to a limited extent, MacOS, you can use unix tools and logs and playing around, even if it's hard you're empowered. With Windows you're a slave to Google searches.
- physicles 10mo ago
  Just had a great experience with this on Linux. One time in 20, when my X1 Carbon (Pop OS 22) resumes from sleep, Bluetooth doesn’t work. This kinda sucks because my mouse is Bluetooth. After 10 minutes with Gemini, we found the incantation to completely reset the USB+HID stack. I put the commands in a script, and I could make the script auto-run on wake if I wanted. I was so happy. Even after 8 years on Linux I didn’t expect this to work.
  - tsoukase 10mo ago
    After a couple of Nvidia driver update occasions (@Arch Linux) the resume brought back a broken resolution. I didn't need any assistance to think that an xrandr command executed after each resume whould solve the problem. Now it might be already fixed but I don't bother to remove the line.
sitzkrieg 10mo ago
windows 10 ltsc is really the last good windows

221 points by speckx 10mo ago

z2 10mo ago

I for one am enjoying my last few months of Windows 10, stable, responsive, no surprise updates at last.

gruez 10mo ago
Windows 10 is still supported until 2032 if you use LTSC
- userbinator 10mo ago
  Even without MS' support it'll still work fine. In fact, it's arguably better that way. The old saying about known unknowns vs. unknown unknowns comes to mind.
  - Zetaphor 10mo ago
    The support you're paying for is security updates against 0-day attacks. Once you stop receiving those then your machine becomes open season for botnets
    - userbinator 10mo ago
      That is pure FUD. Machines behind a firewall are not going to be affected at all.
      - artificialLimbs 10mo ago
        As long as you don’t run that one file.
        agadius 10mo ago
        Microsoft security patches doesn’t protect you from doing that. Unsupported Win 10 behind firewall is perfectly fine, as long as you use an updated browser
        tech234a 10mo ago
        Even that won't last forever. Notably, Edge is only guaranteeing updates until October 2028 [1], coinciding with the end of Windows 10's 3-year ESU period. Previously, Chromium ended support for Windows 7 at the end of its ESU period (which was also the end of support for Windows 8.1) [2]. However, Firefox continues to support Windows 7/8.1 by providing security updates for an older ESR version of Firefox 115; they appear to be re-evaluating whether to continue support every 6 months, currently set to end in March 2026. [1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-supported-operating-systems https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-... [2]: https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsetting-support-for-windows-7-8-1-in-early-2023 https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsettin... [3]: https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr
        userbinator 10mo ago
        I have patched Firefox 115 to run on XP, so no doubt it would be much easier to continue doing it for something as new as Win10.
      - Bluecobra 10mo ago
        I’m not so sure if you are using a web browser. Even the best enterprise firewall with SSL decryption and the best whizz bang features probably wouldn’t stop some novel zero day RCE. WannaCry was so bad that even WinXP and Server 2000/2003 got updates.
      - Zetaphor 10mo ago
        Ah yes, everyone knows that a firewall is the ultimate defense against malware and software vulnerabilities. I'll see your firewall and raise you one web browser.
    - somat 10mo ago
      By definition no support protects you from a zero day attack, A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all.
      - gruez 10mo ago
        >A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all. You should look at the CVE list that's fixed every month. Surely you agree it's important to have those exploits patched, especially since baddies can reverse engineer the patches to find the original exploits?
        somat 10mo ago
        Yes, but they can only be analyzed, patched and distributed "After" the attack is known. A zero day attack is where there have been zero days since the attack mechanism is discovered(by the victim, not the attacker obviously), there is no after. There is no time for a fix to be developed. When you get hit one day after the attack vector is known that would be a one day attack. if you get a fix one day after the attack that would be a one day patch. If the vulnerability gets discovered and patched before the attack occurs, then there is no zero day attack. only multi day ones on people who did not get or apply the patch.
  - keyringlight 10mo ago
    As someone mentioned upthread, that's fine until some software you rely upon starts using something not present on older versions. It's one of the points that I keep in mind with most "what OS?" discussions, the OS by itself isn't really that useful but what it lets you do is. When win7 +3 year extended support ended that was the time chromium framework dropped support, and when projects using it updated then they would also need to drop win7 support (or "your mileage may vary" territory). I expect 2028 onwards may see another gradual win10 migration wave.
john01dav 10mo ago
If you want stable, responsive, and old, use Debian, possibly with XFCE. Then, you have patches for security issues too.
lawn 10mo ago
I for one been enjoying Linux for years. No surprise updates or AI slop forced down my throat.

metadat 10mo ago

Is it only cloud storage files? I've noticed that in 2026 my windows 11 machine is slower than ever before, by a lot- barely able to render web pages.

Bluecobra 10mo ago
That sounds like there’s something else amiss because that definitely should not happen. For example, I was working on a family member’s Win 11 laptop (a budget 2018 HP laptop upgraded from Win10) that was absurdly slow. It would take 5 minutes to power on and open a web browser and even that was extremely sluggish. The specs were decent except for one thing—the local storage was a crappy 1TB 5200 RPM HDD. The drive was functionally ok, but I couldn’t find a way to get it out of 100% disk I/O. I ended up just cloning the drive to an old spare SATA SSD that was laying around and that immediately solved the issue. Windows was zippy and very usable again. I couldn’t believe they put up with this nonsense for years. Not sure if the HDD was just a lemon or something changed in Windows that rendered low RPM hard drives useless.
- fuzzfactor 10mo ago
  >they put up with this nonsense for years. It didn't used to be so bad. It was really not that long ago that Windows really ramped up spending most of the users' resources on things which work against the user. While still getting not much new accomplished that most users were asking for. >something changed in Windows that rendered low RPM hard drives useless. This is exactly it. More than one thing changed in "unison", and not for the better. Just fixed one of the 2019 HP's for my family which came with W10 1809 version on the same (actually decent) HDD. This was a pretty nice laptop and not the budget model. It was not too bad when he got it but he had gotten some useless performance-hogging downloads and it was W10 Home to be taken off the internet anyway. While waiting for the NVMe and some more memory, his partitions were then backed up to external media before experimenting with the built-in HP factory recovery method. Which wiped the HDD and started Windows 10 Home fresh like it was 2019, including of course the HP-specific software. If it was my PC I would have curtailed or uninstalled a selected good bit of the HP stuff, along with things like OneDrive from Windows, and limited the Windows settings to only those I particularly need. So that's what I did. It takes a little time but then it feels about as satisfyingly like a new PC has been doing for decades. Boots fast and everything is pretty responsive, especially without going on the internet. And that's with the HDD set up like it was originally. When W11 first came out I had already shrunken his main partition by some decent space and installed W11 there for a regular plain Microsoft dual-boot system (but he never liked w11), so did that again too using the newest W11 Pro 25H2. This was a clean install without any HP bloatware, but I did properly manually download then install all the device drivers to current versions which some of them need to come from HP. Without going on the internet, and with equivalent Windows settings it's a real dog by comparison. It naturally takes twice as much effort to set up one PC to dual-boot as if it was two different PC's, but after that the A/B testing back-to-back on identical hardware is as easy as it gets. When you look into it Windows 11 is just hammering the C: volume like it's never done before, almost constantly, needing simultaneous reads & writes so much it would have been way more widespread ridicule if most people had not already been on SSD's before W11 "accelerated" the march of sluggishness. W11 is a huge difference in what you see from older W10, back when loads of these laptops for a few years had W10 on 5400rpm HDDs and very few users could intuitively point to that one factor being worse than any other Windows performance degradation that came along in years before. Now anybody could tell the difference if they tested on a more level playing field like this. Once the NVMe was in he's now got the W11 Pro 25H2 and the W10 LTSC 2021 which does look like peak Windows. Neither one is nearly as frustrating as on HDD, but you can tell there is something very unfortunately wrong with W11 by direct comparison still. Once you get on the internet it does get worse and stays worse. In addition to the very frequent simultaneous read/writes of the storage drive, then you've got all kinds of simultaneous send/receive actions to your network on top of that. And W11 is now up to 4GB of Windows Update per month, where W10 only took about 1GB to update all the way from the 2021 ISO. Dwarfing W10 with a bunch of things that weren't needed at all for Windows 10 to do fine, so why can't it get better instead of worse?

gethly 10mo ago

#winning

iJohnDoe 10mo ago

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e2le 10mo ago
Microsoft was on a downward trajectory long before Satya Nadella's tenure.
- rmunn 10mo ago
  I actually credit Nadella with restoring some amount of Microsoft's reputation. It was Nadella who, on his first year after taking over from Ballmer, stood on the stage in front of a big "MS (heart) Linux" banner and talked about how Microsoft was going to be doing more in the Linux world (I don't recall details). That was also when Microsoft started publishing more things as open-source: VS Code, almost everything related to C# and dotnet... None of which, I believe, would have happened with Ballmer and his mindset at the helm. That was the point at which I stopped saying "Oh, it came from MS, it's going to be low-quality code". Some of their code is halfway decent. Of course, none of the code I consider to be halfway decent is part of Windows... EDIT to add: I agree that they've been going downhill the past few years, though. And I don't think it's a coincidence that that corresponds with the tendency for some devs (not all, thankfully, but too many) offloading too much of their thinking to LLMs and uncritically pushing insufficiently-reviewed slop into the code review process. I suspect MS has the same problems as other companies with that, perhaps more because of internal pressure (I assume, I have no insider knowledge) to use Copilot.
Insanity 10mo ago
Source? This sounds like a racist take even if there would be a modicum of truth to it.
shakna 10mo ago
Nah, I wouldn't call it outsourcing. They have AI usage KPIs. [1] > "We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication..." > "We need to make deliberate choices on how we diffuse this technology in the world as a solution to the challenges of people and planet," Nadella says. "For AI to have societal permission it must have real world eval impact." > https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-really-wants-you-to-stop-calling-ai-slop-in-2026 https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-ceo-satya... [1] https://adoption.microsoft.com/files/copilot/Unlocking-AIs-Impact-whitepaper.pdf https://adoption.microsoft.com/files/copilot/Unlocking-AIs-I...

adithyassekhar 10mo ago

The start menu search is turning blank and shows a white screen whenever I search anything. Similar to how react apps break. It's been like this for 6 momths, across two laptops, fresh install of 25h2.

mindracer 10mo ago
Search on Windows is completely pointless, it’s been broken for years at this point. I’ve installed PowerToys and use Command Palette now
- londons_explore 10mo ago
  It was never good when you compare to internet search. On the internet I can search for "pictures of the eiffel tower". If I try the same on my own computer I expect to find photos from the time I took the family to paris... Yet I don't.
  - Propelloni 10mo ago
    And yet Gnome and KDE have no troubles doing just that if you activate the corresponding plug-ins for the respective search engines (Tracker and Baloo). How you access them is a matter of taste, but both integrate into your runner dialog or launch menu, if you wish.
  - 1718627440 10mo ago
    But that's not the point of the Start Menu. The purpose is to quickly start programs with a fixed name, not to do a natural language query. Yet it sucks with that simple task. If programs would add themselves to the PATH, then Win-R would be a worthy replacement. As they don't, it is not.
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  > I’ve installed PowerToys and Does PowerToys still installs new updates once a work-day, and never delete it's old updates so you end up with GBs of useless .exe's? Remember discovering about 200GB of old updates back when I was still using Windows.

nayroclade 10mo ago

Slop Tuesday

sails01 10mo ago
Copilot Tuesday
kuerbel 10mo ago
Microslop producing slop by using github slopilot, now supported by claude slopus 4.5
The_President 10mo ago
Maybe it'll come full circle and we'll have Patch Fridays.

wetpaws 10mo ago

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acheron 10mo ago

Vibe patching

JohnLeitch 10mo ago

I was hit by this. Could RDP into machines using the regular client, but could not access Dev Boxes via Windows App. Getting real sick of the low quality AI slop.

mrcsharp 10mo ago

Using React in core parts of the Windows Shell, Microsof's inability to design and release an application using non-web technologies, and the sluggishness and lagginess and bloat of Windows in general has finally pushed me to dual boot Fedora on a separate drive. It is very nice having an Operating system that respects the Hardware I own and makes efficient use of it. My experience has been very good so far. Every device in my custom built desktop PC worked immediately. The only driver I had to build and install was for my XBOX Wireless dongle. Gaming has been really damn good. I installed Steam and my games just worked. No fiddling around with configs or anything. Even installing a custom Proton version to try it out is very simple. I've been on Fedora now for nearly a month and only boot into Windows for work. Eventually, I might get rid of Windows entirely. It'll take a massive U-turn from Microsoft on the philosophy for Windows for me to change my opinion now.

mrgaro 10mo ago
I was just helping my dad with a brand new Lenovo laptop with Windows 11. It felt unbelievable slow and sluggish. Just opening file manager to create a new folder lagged so much it felt like this would have been a 15 years old computer.
- poilcn 10mo ago
  While I personally use Ubuntu on my laptop for several years now, when I helped my relative with a brand new laptop (huawei) with Windows 11 I was suprised how fast it was despite being very cheap, I don't remember any version of Windows that had such a performance, at least visually. Out of curiosity, what model does your father have?
  - mrgaro 10mo ago
    It's a Lenovo Yoga 9i with an Intel EVO i5 CPU. Not sure how much memory it has.
  - toyg 10mo ago
    To me it's generally pretty quick outside of File Explorer. The reskinned File Explorer is an absolute car crash - it's like they've taken everything that made 2005 KDE awkward and bolted it on top of Windows.

robertoandred 10mo ago

Hyphens please.

benguild 10mo ago

are they vibe coding?

SSchick 10mo ago
They do as the slop king Satya guides (yes).
- arresin 10mo ago
  He wants more “diffusion”. Slopya says “diffusion” so you better “diffusion”. They need AI… DIFFUSION
spaceman_2020 10mo ago
Vibe coding with Github copilot, no less

Melatonic 10mo ago

And this is why I'm still running Win10 LTSC. No bloat, super fast, still gets security updates.

ant6n 10mo ago
How do you get a valid license?
- hobolobo 10mo ago
  This is the current method of choice https://massgrave.dev/ https://massgrave.dev/
- antonkochubey 10mo ago
  You don't, you pirate it. If you paid perfectly working, non-vibecoded dollars for Windows 11 Pro which became utterly broken, pirating whatever you need from Microslop to actually having a working computer is morally right.
  - 1718627440 10mo ago
    > If you paid perfectly working, non-vibecoded dollars for Windows 11 Pro then you already have a license.
    - greycol 10mo ago
      Not for the 'working' version of windows which is LTSC or enterprise not pro. Unfortunately they don't sell single LTSC licenses to individuals
      - Melatonic 10mo ago
        There are smaller VARs that will sell you one. Not hard at all
  - p_ing 10mo ago
    My Win 11 Pro install is not "utterly broken" and is actually quite responsive. What did I do wrong on my 5800X3D w/ 4090?

curiousgal 10mo ago

People are blaming vibe coding but the real culprit was hiring leetcoders in the first place. I genuinely believe the stark decrease in quality of most products across the industry has been driven by that.

lesser-shadow 10mo ago
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The_President 10mo ago
A developer said to me once, outside of work hours: "Why are you serious about [fundamentals]? [Framework] is where all the money is at." Work cultures that embrace those with his philosophy will have trouble. And here we are.
- markus_zhang 10mo ago
  Where can I find places that value fundamentals AND is willing to hire someone relatively junior, but has the proof of self-teaching fundamentals?
  - sirwhinesalot 10mo ago
    They exist but are rare and don't hire often. I know a guy (self taught programmer) who got his first major a job at a company doing native ui (not even using OS frameworks, straight GPU stuff). The company does highly complex simulation software used by movie studios for explosions and other effects. He got hired by word of mouth recommendation from someone at the company that had met him. It takes as much luck as it takes skill to get these sorts of jobs, sadly.
    - markus_zhang 10mo ago
      Thanks! I'm going to grind and network more.

henning 10mo ago

it is so annoying when Jonathan Blow says batshit unhinged shit about "the collapse of civilization" and he is kind of right.

arresin 10mo ago
You know better than jblow to call him crazy? I definitely don’t.
ifwinterco 10mo ago
I can't judge the severity but his basic point is absolutely correct
christophilus 10mo ago
If you mean his conference talk by that title, what was batshit unhinged in it? I remember thinking he was spot on. (Then again, if you called me “batshit unhinged”, you wouldn’t be the first to do it, and you may well be right.)

CSMastermind 10mo ago

Microsoft has seemingly been in a slow but steady decline for 10 years now. Really needs to be studied. It's like they started making structural decisions a decade ago that are now overwhelming their ability to deliver basic functionality. I realize there were always problems like this, I live through Windows ME, but it does feel qualitatively different now with advertising being forced into the product, performance of no consideration at all, etc.

niyazpk 10mo ago
Microsoft, Apple, Amazon ...
lostlogin 10mo ago
> Microsoft has seemingly been in a slow but steady decline for 10 years Sort of matching the decline of Intel too.
- marginalia_nu 10mo ago
  Intel was resting on their laurels throughout most of the 2010s, while AMD floundered and couldn't catch up. By the time AMD got their shit together with Ryzen, Intel had all but been defeated by their own complacency.
dgxyz 10mo ago
All products seem to decline the moment the revenue model switches to monthly recurring. This is always contrary to the promise that they won't and that money will be invested in product improvements. If you think it's bad now wait until they consolidate the rental PC market (Bezos and Nadella are all over that)
- 1718627440 10mo ago
  Because they are no longer competing with their own previous version. This means they only compete with the other crap, or don't care because they are a monopoly.
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SCdF 10mo ago

Look I have no idea if this is related, but I have noticed recently, talking to other developers, that the addiction / allure of the speed that coding with AI agents gives you is leading to a relaxation of their standard quality bar. This doesn't even feel like the evil overlords whipping them more, it is self-inflicted. When you can get multiple different agents to all work on things and you are bouncing between them, careful review of their code becomes the bottleneck. So you start lowering your bar to "good enough", where "good enough" is not really good enough. It's a new good enough, which is like you squinting at the code and as long as the shape is vaguely ok, and the code works (where that means you click around a bit and it seems fine), it's ok. Over time you lose your "theory"[1] of the software, and I would imagine that makes you effectively lower your bar even further, because you are less attached to what good should look like. This is all anecdotal on my end, but it does feel like quality as a whole in the industry has tanked in the last maybe 12 months? It feels like there are more outages than normal. I couldn't find a good temporal outage graph, but if you trust this: https://www.catchpoint.com/internet-outages-timeline https://www.catchpoint.com/internet-outages-timeline , the number of outages in 2025 is orders of magnitude up on 2024. Maybe this is because there are way more, maybe this is because they are now tracking way more, I'm not sure. But it definitely _feels_ like we are in for a bumpy ride over the next few years. [1] in the Programming as Theory Building sense: https://gareth.nz/ai-programming-as-theory-building.html https://gareth.nz/ai-programming-as-theory-building.html

arresin 10mo ago
Exactly right and by the time you get that theory back could you have just it all yourself?
- lazide 10mo ago
  Do you get the impression the industry is caring about quality vs ‘good enough’ + cutting costs?
  - generic92034 10mo ago
    "The industry" is not that homogeneous. B2B Software firms keeping their products in maintenance for decades are very different from your B2C mobile gaming app creator.

arresin 10mo ago

I’m genuinely wondering if they’re using llms to code windows. Is that likely?

conception 10mo ago
10,000%.
dragonwriter 10mo ago
I mean, unless Windows is a special exception, almost certainly: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-as-30percent-of-microsoft-code-is-written-by-ai.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-a...
SvenL 10mo ago
I think there is even an internet meme showing a headline where Microsoft brags about how AI is doing more more coding and right below that headline another one where a decline in quality is mentioned.
BrouteMinou 10mo ago
It's mandatory. https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-internal-memo-using-ai-no-longer-optional-github-copilot-2025-6?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-internal-memo-usin...

akulbe 10mo ago

I still have my Windows 11 machine, but I haven't booted into it in a couple months now. The "Windows is going to be an agentic OS" announcement was the last straw. Linux and Mac it is.

wjnc 10mo ago
I would enjoy hooking up Claude to KDE with voice control and audio feedback, but am 100% on board with that it should be 100% the user deciding to go for that folly.
- wasmainiac 10mo ago
  I mean, that would be a fun experiment on a VM, but I would not trust it directly on my work station, not the least because of privacy. It might might do a mass-mass-rm-rf https://x.com/tskulbru/status/2015148189897101622 https://x.com/tskulbru/status/2015148189897101622
  - direwolf20 10mo ago
    alias mass=sudo
- deleted 10mo ago
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n1gg3rlicious 10mo ago

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nsoonhui 10mo ago

Last Thursday windows 11 forced an update on my Acer machine.It caused me BSOD: inaccessible boot device. It took me a reformat to solve the issue. I am now very wary of this Out of Band Update. I don't know the same problem is still there, or whether this update makes the problem any better or worse.

figassis 10mo ago

How do you patch something that was written by another colleague, using an LLM, that you also need an LLM to figure out? How do you find the subtle bugs? Working with LLMs I noticed, they try to implement things from scratch. I asked it to output the md5 hash of some string in the api response, it went on to implement the md5 algo and then called it. I simply did not have the time to check correctness so asked it to import a library I know. Someone might just have gone with it, shipped to prod and then bugs. It also introduced slight changes in the intended flow of your program, that if you aren’t fully aware, are unnoticeable until they compound and you’re too deep to go back because now 10 different weird behaviors are in prod, you’re not sure what the cause is or if they were actually intended. You just have no frame of reference because maybe you didn’t build all of it as part of a team. And those are the things you should have had tests for, but when you were writing the code yourself you were coding with intent, so you know when something was off. Now you build at the speed of thought and no longer know all the intents, only that the end result satisfies loosely written requirements.

flohofwoe 10mo ago
The bigger question is how the breakage made it through QA in the first place. Oh right, Microsoft fired all their QA a while back. They're quite a bit late to the 'move fast and break things' party.
- kotaKat 10mo ago
  Maybe another virtual sticker or trophy or something will help motivate the unpaid Windows Insiders to find the bugs.
- alex1138 10mo ago
  You know, I've speculated before that Facebook's video metrics fraud might have disrupted the entire industry, because people copy their "success". It's why autoplaying videos etc I wonder if MFABT is a similar justification Does MFABT work? It's possible. But people have complained about Facebook for years as a buggy product. And it doesn't fulfill what it's apparently meant to be used for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14147719 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14147719

PunchyHamster 10mo ago

How's that AI tools doing for you Microslop ?

javcasas 10mo ago
They are doing fine. It affects users, not customers.

samiv 10mo ago

Microsoft is an end stage software company that has exhausted natural growth in its desktop segment. When that happens to a company that is beholden to Wall Street the only ways are to start shitting on their "customers" and their employees. Cut costs and try engage in dark patterns and other shenanigans in order to keep getting the customer money and show growth. The relationship turns adverserial. I think this already happened way before but I speculate that the aggressive drive to slop and vibe coding while reducing head count is now coming around to start showing their effects in the software quality. I further speculate that before they had some senior/principal engineers that were the backstop holding things together but they've been let go too now. So there's nothing to stop AI slop taking over.

tibbydudeza 10mo ago

If it compiles - ship it.

markus_zhang 10mo ago

I wish David Cutler were still the head of Windows NT.

lousken 10mo ago

Microsoft management should be held accountable for this sh.. and laid off. It is obvious these people do not understand software development on such scale.

w4rh4wk5 10mo ago

You know, I am not a big fan of AI, but it really highlights who knows what they are doing, and who doesn't.

theglenn88_ 10mo ago

Wait... Outlook and OneDrive were usable??

mancerayder 10mo ago

I waited til the absolute last minute to upgrade from Win 10 to 11. I use the machine just for Steam games and in particular the graphics-heavy stuff that came out in the last year or two. Out of the blue, for months now, there's something causing the Shift key to remain magically stuck, and there's no way to troubleshoot it that I can tell. Everything is off - sticky keys, accessibility settings, all that garbagey Settings-not-Control-Panel that seems to move around all the time. If I mash shift a couple of times it returns to normal - almost as it Sticky Keys WAS active (and again all that stuff is disabled). What's annoying about Windows is that There's Nowhere to Go to fix problem - nothing is transparent. I can google away and I'll get people also experiencing this and there's no answer. With Linux and to a limited extent, MacOS, you can use unix tools and logs and playing around, even if it's hard you're empowered. With Windows you're a slave to Google searches.

physicles 10mo ago
Just had a great experience with this on Linux. One time in 20, when my X1 Carbon (Pop OS 22) resumes from sleep, Bluetooth doesn’t work. This kinda sucks because my mouse is Bluetooth. After 10 minutes with Gemini, we found the incantation to completely reset the USB+HID stack. I put the commands in a script, and I could make the script auto-run on wake if I wanted. I was so happy. Even after 8 years on Linux I didn’t expect this to work.
- tsoukase 10mo ago
  After a couple of Nvidia driver update occasions (@Arch Linux) the resume brought back a broken resolution. I didn't need any assistance to think that an xrandr command executed after each resume whould solve the problem. Now it might be already fixed but I don't bother to remove the line.

sitzkrieg 10mo ago

windows 10 ltsc is really the last good windows