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I was a big fan of pidgin, but this premise makes me feel iffy. Why would I ever want my work to intrude on my personal messaging? My private time is my own.

by aduwah 8mo ago

I was a big fan of pidgin, but this premise makes me feel iffy. Why would I ever want my work to intrude on my personal messaging? My private time is my own. Slack/Teams is perfect because I can mute it on a schedule when I stop for the day. Anything that is urgent can be managed via Pagerduty or similar on a controlled fashion

maqp 8mo ago
The unfortunate problem with Pidgin is you don't have proper cross-platform E2EE chats, especially for groups. OTR is terribly outdated with its 1536-bit FFDH. These days the security margin sits at 2048-bit minimum, 3072-bit recommended. OMEMO might work but it's just not a standard. Good thing Signal made the whole thing just work.
- Bender 8mo ago
  Surely there must be someone capable of and willing to update OTR to support the latest PQC encryption protocols and ciphers. OTR is the only semi-trustable model of E2EE I have ever seen. Anything managed by the same platform managing the communication is dead in the water for me.
  - maqp 8mo ago
    The OTRv4 project is apparently dead. The last commit from Celi was four years ago https://github.com/otrv4/otrv4 https://github.com/otrv4/otrv4
    - Bender 8mo ago
      All the more reason to fork.
altern8 8mo ago
I loved Pigdin! The UI and brand was so good, too, for Linux back in the day...
- scroy 8mo ago
  Just as good on Windows, honestly. I miss that little bird.
  - rw_grim 8mo ago
    You all know that we're still around and have been working on the next major release for quite a while now right? You might be interested in our state of the bird posts... https://discourse.imfreedom.org/tag/state-of-the-bird https://discourse.imfreedom.org/tag/state-of-the-bird
    - scroy 8mo ago
      Nice. I think I left around the time gchat dropped XMPP support. Is google chat supported to any extent these days?
      - rw_grim 8mo ago
        Kind of.. Getting a login cookie is difficult, but doable-ish https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat
swiftcoder 8mo ago
> this premise makes me feel iffy. Why would I ever want my work to intrude on my personal messaging? I think the pitch here is exactly the opposite of that? Many businesses in the EU already use WhatsApp for customer contact - this lets you separate your business communications from the app you use for personal messaging

by aduwah 8mo ago

maqp 8mo ago

The unfortunate problem with Pidgin is you don't have proper cross-platform E2EE chats, especially for groups. OTR is terribly outdated with its 1536-bit FFDH. These days the security margin sits at 2048-bit minimum, 3072-bit recommended. OMEMO might work but it's just not a standard. Good thing Signal made the whole thing just work.

Bender 8mo ago
Surely there must be someone capable of and willing to update OTR to support the latest PQC encryption protocols and ciphers. OTR is the only semi-trustable model of E2EE I have ever seen. Anything managed by the same platform managing the communication is dead in the water for me.
- maqp 8mo ago
  The OTRv4 project is apparently dead. The last commit from Celi was four years ago https://github.com/otrv4/otrv4 https://github.com/otrv4/otrv4
  - Bender 8mo ago
    All the more reason to fork.

altern8 8mo ago

I loved Pigdin! The UI and brand was so good, too, for Linux back in the day...

scroy 8mo ago
Just as good on Windows, honestly. I miss that little bird.
- rw_grim 8mo ago
  You all know that we're still around and have been working on the next major release for quite a while now right? You might be interested in our state of the bird posts... https://discourse.imfreedom.org/tag/state-of-the-bird https://discourse.imfreedom.org/tag/state-of-the-bird
  - scroy 8mo ago
    Nice. I think I left around the time gchat dropped XMPP support. Is google chat supported to any extent these days?
    - rw_grim 8mo ago
      Kind of.. Getting a login cookie is difficult, but doable-ish https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat

swiftcoder 8mo ago

> this premise makes me feel iffy. Why would I ever want my work to intrude on my personal messaging? I think the pitch here is exactly the opposite of that? Many businesses in the EU already use WhatsApp for customer contact - this lets you separate your business communications from the app you use for personal messaging