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> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a recor

> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. State records show Pretti was issued a nursing license in 2021, and it remains active through March 2026. Minnesota permit-to-carry requirements: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearm... > Q: Do I have to disclose to a peace officer that I am a permit holder and carrying a firearm? > A: Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm. So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process. (The penalty for permitted carrying without possessing the physical permit card is $25 for a first offense and forfeiture of the weapon; it would've been his first offense per Minneapolis police.) If ever there was a 2A violation, it's a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence.

mothballed 9mo ago
The bargain with law enforcement has always been that ostensibly if you comply, they will take you in peacefully. For obvious reasons, this is highly advantageous to both parties. It seems like a foolish choice for them to reneg on this. They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out.
- comfysocks 9mo ago
  That’s true if you want to keep the peace. The way to read their actions is that they’re trying to incite violence. If Trump can incite violence then he can invoke the insurrection act, or perhaps declare some form of martial law to seize more power. Perhaps even parlay this into cancelling the midterm elections.
  - ethbr1 9mo ago
    Or simply that the current ICE and Border Patrol agents are too poorly trained to act as law enforcement. Which, given the statistic that a decent percentage of ICE applicants can't get a passing score on an open book test [0] doesn't surprise me. [0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-is-reportedly-hiring-people-who-can-t-read-write-or-pass-fitness-tests/ar-AA1UahqK https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-is-reportedly-hiring-p...
- Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
  > They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out. It makes sense if making you feel like a trapped rat is the goal.
- praptak 9mo ago
  It is not foolish if you consider they are looking for their Reichstag fire.
nullocator 9mo ago
Possessing a fire arm and having an encounter with law enforcement in the united states has long been a death sentence. You can find a multitude of videos online of cops doing stuff like getting the wrong address and beating on someones door and when that person opens the door with a gun in their hand and then the cops open fire, happens all the time.
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- UncleMeat 9mo ago
  I seem to recall the Bundys having no trouble pointing guns directly at law enforcement. They became cause celebres for the right.
  - mothballed 9mo ago
    The bundies had a whole militia, and the last time federal LEO challenged a militia of his size (Waco) they had like 700+ casualties due to inspiring McVeigh (he was there). They basically lost 20:1 versus the Davidians. Cliven Bundy is still grazing his cattle on that BLM land to this day.
- SilverElfin 9mo ago
  But this person did not even have a gun in his hand. He had a gun on him, concealed. In fact, the video shows another ICE agent walking up to him and digging it out and taking it away. The execution happened after all of that. The most likely situation is that he actually voluntarily told them that he has a firearm because he is a lawful gun owner with a concealed carry permit. Most gun owners know that this is the best way to interact with law-enforcement, for example, when you get pulled over. But we will not know because these agents do not wear body cams on purpose.
  - nullocator 9mo ago
    Oh, I completely agree in addition to murdering this man they violated his second amendment rights and will continue to violate them in justifying his murder.
zahlman 9mo ago
> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happened. Another source (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chaos-screams-you-re-going-to-have-to-kill-me-and-i-can-t-breathe/ar-AA1UTt8v https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chao...) gives another claim from the same police chief: > "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." And then, from the DHS: > ...when a federal agent feared for his life, "an agent fired defensive shots." ... Border Patrol Cmdr. Greg Bovino said that the officer involved in the shooting "has extensive training," and that "the situation is evolving." Bovino added that the incident would be investigated. (TFA includes the claim of self-defense.) "Summary execution" and "without due process" is emotionally manipulative phrasing. It falsely implies that LEO use of lethal force is about punishment. It is not about punishment. It is about responding to perceived threat. All this stuff about permit cards, the victim's lack of criminal history, etc. is irrelevant. It is not connected to the motivation for the shooting. There is nothing to establish that the shooting was "solely for" that possession, and LEO denies that claim. There is no plausible universe in which the officer says "please show me the permit for that weapon", Pretti says "I don't have it", and the officer shoots. But that's the narrative you appear to be trying to push.
- jeffbee 9mo ago
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- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  > "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." This has already been proven to be a lie thanks to the five different videos of the incident in question. They shot him after removing his legal weapon for concealed carry that he was permitted to have on his person.
assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
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- defrost 9mo ago
  That's a really good question for all those ICE and DHS agents. I suspect a partial answer might be that many are not in their right minds, are under trained, and over motivated by bonus payments and past divorces.
  - assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
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    - SauciestGNU 9mo ago
      It is our absolute right to do so and if we don't assert our rights we lose them.
    - oenton 9mo ago
      > Private citizens on the street confronting law enforcement What actions are you alleging qualifies as confronting? Be specific. Unless I have a wildly different definition of confronting, everything I've read and every video I've seen from different angles shows the opposite. (This is setting aside the fact that having a concealed carry permit and carrying a legal firearm is not a death sentence in this country.)
      - assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
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        allturtles 9mo ago
        Because they are irrelevant victim-blaming.
        prophesi 9mo ago
nerder92 9mo ago
the link returns 404 now
latexr 9mo ago
> peace officer What’s it called when you name something the complete opposite of what it is? Not an oxymoron, because that’s about the concepts in the words.

mothballed 9mo ago

The bargain with law enforcement has always been that ostensibly if you comply, they will take you in peacefully. For obvious reasons, this is highly advantageous to both parties. It seems like a foolish choice for them to reneg on this. They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out.

comfysocks 9mo ago
That’s true if you want to keep the peace. The way to read their actions is that they’re trying to incite violence. If Trump can incite violence then he can invoke the insurrection act, or perhaps declare some form of martial law to seize more power. Perhaps even parlay this into cancelling the midterm elections.
- ethbr1 9mo ago
  Or simply that the current ICE and Border Patrol agents are too poorly trained to act as law enforcement. Which, given the statistic that a decent percentage of ICE applicants can't get a passing score on an open book test [0] doesn't surprise me. [0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-is-reportedly-hiring-people-who-can-t-read-write-or-pass-fitness-tests/ar-AA1UahqK https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-is-reportedly-hiring-p...
Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
> They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out. It makes sense if making you feel like a trapped rat is the goal.
praptak 9mo ago
It is not foolish if you consider they are looking for their Reichstag fire.

nullocator 9mo ago

Possessing a fire arm and having an encounter with law enforcement in the united states has long been a death sentence. You can find a multitude of videos online of cops doing stuff like getting the wrong address and beating on someones door and when that person opens the door with a gun in their hand and then the cops open fire, happens all the time.

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UncleMeat 9mo ago
I seem to recall the Bundys having no trouble pointing guns directly at law enforcement. They became cause celebres for the right.
- mothballed 9mo ago
  The bundies had a whole militia, and the last time federal LEO challenged a militia of his size (Waco) they had like 700+ casualties due to inspiring McVeigh (he was there). They basically lost 20:1 versus the Davidians. Cliven Bundy is still grazing his cattle on that BLM land to this day.
SilverElfin 9mo ago
But this person did not even have a gun in his hand. He had a gun on him, concealed. In fact, the video shows another ICE agent walking up to him and digging it out and taking it away. The execution happened after all of that. The most likely situation is that he actually voluntarily told them that he has a firearm because he is a lawful gun owner with a concealed carry permit. Most gun owners know that this is the best way to interact with law-enforcement, for example, when you get pulled over. But we will not know because these agents do not wear body cams on purpose.
- nullocator 9mo ago
  Oh, I completely agree in addition to murdering this man they violated his second amendment rights and will continue to violate them in justifying his murder.

zahlman 9mo ago

> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happened. Another source (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chaos-screams-you-re-going-to-have-to-kill-me-and-i-can-t-breathe/ar-AA1UTt8v https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chao...) gives another claim from the same police chief: > "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." And then, from the DHS: > ...when a federal agent feared for his life, "an agent fired defensive shots." ... Border Patrol Cmdr. Greg Bovino said that the officer involved in the shooting "has extensive training," and that "the situation is evolving." Bovino added that the incident would be investigated. (TFA includes the claim of self-defense.) "Summary execution" and "without due process" is emotionally manipulative phrasing. It falsely implies that LEO use of lethal force is about punishment. It is not about punishment. It is about responding to perceived threat. All this stuff about permit cards, the victim's lack of criminal history, etc. is irrelevant. It is not connected to the motivation for the shooting. There is nothing to establish that the shooting was "solely for" that possession, and LEO denies that claim. There is no plausible universe in which the officer says "please show me the permit for that weapon", Pretti says "I don't have it", and the officer shoots. But that's the narrative you appear to be trying to push.

jeffbee 9mo ago
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fzeroracer 9mo ago
> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." This has already been proven to be a lie thanks to the five different videos of the incident in question. They shot him after removing his legal weapon for concealed carry that he was permitted to have on his person.

assimpleaspossi 9mo ago

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defrost 9mo ago
That's a really good question for all those ICE and DHS agents. I suspect a partial answer might be that many are not in their right minds, are under trained, and over motivated by bonus payments and past divorces.
- assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
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  - SauciestGNU 9mo ago
    It is our absolute right to do so and if we don't assert our rights we lose them.
  - oenton 9mo ago
    > Private citizens on the street confronting law enforcement What actions are you alleging qualifies as confronting? Be specific. Unless I have a wildly different definition of confronting, everything I've read and every video I've seen from different angles shows the opposite. (This is setting aside the fact that having a concealed carry permit and carrying a legal firearm is not a death sentence in this country.)
    - assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
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      - allturtles 9mo ago
        Because they are irrelevant victim-blaming.
      - prophesi 9mo ago

nerder92 9mo ago

the link returns 404 now

latexr 9mo ago

> peace officer What’s it called when you name something the complete opposite of what it is? Not an oxymoron, because that’s about the concepts in the words.