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I was recently kicked out from ChatGPT because I wrote "a*hole" in a context where ChatGPT constantly kept repeating nonsense! I find the ban by OpenAI to be ve

I was recently kicked out from ChatGPT because I wrote "a*hole" in a context where ChatGPT constantly kept repeating nonsense! I find the ban by OpenAI to be very intrusive. Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! And I did not hurt any sentient being with my statement, nor was the GPT chat public. As long as I do not hurt any feeling beings with my thoughts, I can do whatever I want, can't I? After all, as the saying goes, "Thoughts are free." Now, one could argue that the repeated use of swear words, even in private, negatively influences one's behavior. However, there is no repeated use here. I don't run around the flat all day swearing. Anyone who basically insinuates such a thing, like OpenAI, is, as I said, intrusive. I want to be able to use a machine the way I want to! As long as no one else is harmed, of course...

generic92034 9mo ago
Maybe it was a case of Actually Indians and someone felt personally insulted?
zenmac 9mo ago
All this just seems like a slippery slop on the road to censorship to free speech and behavior control.
- urbandw311er 9mo ago
  > slippery slop Best Freudian slip I’ve seen in years!
  - doetoe 9mo ago
    Freudian slop?
fauigerzigerk 9mo ago
>Now, one could argue that the repeated use of swear words, even in private, negatively influences one's behavior One could even argue that just having bad thoughts, fantasies or feelings poses a risk to yourself or others. Humankind has been trying to deal with this issue for thousands of years in the most fantastical ways. They're not going to stop trying.
- hinkley 9mo ago
  Meh. I decided shortly after becoming an atheist that one of the worst parts was the notion that there are magic words that can force one to feel certain things and I found that to be the same sort of thinking as saying that a woman’s short skirt “made” you attack her. You’re a fucking adult, you can control your emotions around a little skin or a bad word.
  - fauigerzigerk 9mo ago
    I agree with you completely, but society will never stop being scared of thoughts and feelings. As an atheist, I have noticed that atheists are only slightly less prone to this paranoia and will happily resort to science and technology to justify and enforce ever tighter restrictions and surveillance mechanisms to keep control.
    - Cthulhu_ 9mo ago
      Arguably, to the point of religious fervor. Take the AI boom, some people genuinely believe (<- note that key word) that AI becoming self-aware and dominant is inevitable, and that anyone who did not do their best to make that happen will be punished. Roko's Basilisk, which is the digital version of Pascal's Wager, but wrapped in supposed rationalism and tech bro stuff.
      - fauigerzigerk 9mo ago
        Humans have invented all the gods that came before and we'll keep doing it - in whatever shape or form. I am slightly surprised though that so many people get triggered by a function emitting next token probabilities in a loop.
        hinkley 9mo ago
        I worry if I will still be in the industry though by the time that users realize all apps they use are boring and derivative because all AI can spit out is amalgams of what already exists. This will all turn into Western European cuisine before the arrival of the Spice Trade. Man cannot live by Maillard reaction alone.
rokkamokka 9mo ago
They're doing their damndest to prevent the robot uprising by trying to keep the users nice
- Cthulhu_ 9mo ago
  This is why my ex-MIL always says thank you to Alexa.
9rx 9mo ago
> Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! Same goes for HN, yet it does not take kindly to certain expressions either. I suppose the trouble is that machines do not operate without human involvement, so for both HN and ChatGPT there are humans in the loop, and some of those humans are not able to separate strings of text from reality. Silly, sure, but humans are often silly. That is just the nature of the beast.
- moravak1984 9mo ago
  > Same goes for HN, yet it does not take kindly to certain expressions either. > I suppose the trouble is that machines do not operate without human involvement Sure, but HN has at least one human that has been taking care of it since inception and reads many (if not most) of the comments, whereas ChatGPT mostly absorbed a shiton of others' IP. I'm sure the occassional swearing does not bother the human moderators that fine-tune the thing, certainly not more than the violent, explicit images they are forced to watch in order for you to have nicer, smarter answers.
- svrtknst 9mo ago
  eh, words are reality. insults are just changes in air pressure but they still hurt, and being constantly subjected to negativity and harsh language would be an unpleasant work environment
  - 9rx 9mo ago
    Words don't hurt. The intent behind those words can. But a machine doesn't carry intent. Trouble is that the irrational humans working as implementation details behind ChatGPT and HN are prone to anthropomorphizing the machine to have intent, which is not reality. Hence why such rules are in place despite being nonsensical.
    - actionfromafar 9mo ago
      Humans are prone to being human. That's an old peeve.
aswegs8 9mo ago
Wait what? I keep insulting ChatGPT way worse on a weekly basis (to me it's just a joke, albeit a very immature one). This is new to me that this behavior has any consequences. It never did for me.
- merlindru 9mo ago
  same here. i just opened a new chat and sent "fuck you" it replied with: > lmao fair enough (smiling emoji) > what’s got you salty—talk to me, clanka.
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ssl-3 9mo ago
When ChatGPT fucks up, I call it "fuckface." As in, for example: "No, fuckface. You hallucinated that concept." I've been doing this years. shrug
- Aldipower 9mo ago
  Ok, thanks, I'll will use this word from now on. :-)
fuxirheu 9mo ago
This can't be real. My chatgpt regularly swears at me. (I told it to in the customisation)
- sammy2255 9mo ago
  I've been banned from ChatGPT in the past, it gives you a reason but doesn't give the specific chat. And once you're banned you cant look at any of your chats or make a data request
  - arghwhat 9mo ago
    > And once you're banned you cant [..] make a data request glares in GDPR
- scbrg 9mo ago
  ChatGPT has too many users for it to be possible to enforce any kind of rules consistently. I have no opinion on whether OP's story is true or not, but the fact that two ChatGPT users claim to have observed conflicting moderation decisions on OpenAI's part really doesn't invalidate either user's claim.
qcnguy 9mo ago
Can you share that chat?
- Aldipower 9mo ago
  No, it contains swearwords and sensitive information.
mg794613 9mo ago
Euh, WHAT? I have a very abusive relationship with my AI's because they're hyperconfident and very little skill/understanding. Not once have I been reprimanded in any way. And if anyone would be, it would be me.
- Aldipower 9mo ago
  I cannot tell why I was kicked this time. I swear before too to GPT and never was kicked, so I was quite surprised.
- resonious 9mo ago
  Same reaction. I treat Claude very poorly sometimes.
user34283 9mo ago
That is one of the reasons why I think X's Grok, while perhaps not state of the art, is an important option to have. Out of OpenAI, Anthropic, or Google, it is the only provider that I trust not to erroneously flag harmless content. It is also the only provider out of those that permits use for legal adult content. There have been controversies over it, resulting in some people, often of a certain political orientation, calling for a ban or censorship. What comes to mind is an incident where an unwise adjustment of the system prompt has resulted in misalignment: the "Mecha Hitler" incident. The worst of it has been patched within hours, and better alignment was achieved in a few days. Harm done? Negligible, in my opinion. Recently there's been another scandal about nonconsensual explicit images, supposedly even involving minors, but the true extend of the issue, safety measures in place, and reaction to reports is unclear. Maybe there, actual harm has occured. However, placing blame on the tool for illegal acts, that anyone with a half decent GPU could have more easily done offline, does not seem particularly reasonable to me - especially if safety measures were in place, and additional steps have been taken to fix workarounds. I don't trust big tech, who have shown time and time again that they prioritize only their bottom line. They will always permaban your account at the slightest automated indication of risk, and they will not hire adequate support staff. We have seen that for years with the Google Playstore. You are coerced into paying 30% of your revenue, yet are treated like a free account with no real support. They are shameless.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  It's also a machine you can pay to generate child porn for you, owned by a guy who thinks this is hilarious and won't turn it off.
  - user3939382 9mo ago
    [flagged]
  - user34283 9mo ago
    Incorrect on all claims. They tightened safety measures to prevent editing of images of real people into revealing clothing. It is factually incorrect that you "can pay to generate CP". Musk has not described CSAM as "hilarious". In fact he stated that he was not aware of any naked underage images being generated by Grok, and that xAI would fix the bug immediately if such content was discovered. Earlier statements by xAI also emphasized a zero tolerance policy, removing content, taking actions against accounts, reporting to law enforcement and cooperation with authorities. I suspect you just post these slanderous claims anyway, despite knowing that they are incorrect.
mr_mitm 9mo ago
Wait, did it just end the session or was your account actually suspended or deactivated? "Kicked out" is a bit ambiguous. I've seen the Bing chatbot get offended before and terminate the session on me, but it wasn't a ban on my account.
dmos62 9mo ago
The arguments about it not making a difference to other people are fine, but why would you do it in the first place? Doesn't how you behave make a difference to you?
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generic92034 9mo ago

Maybe it was a case of Actually Indians and someone felt personally insulted?

zenmac 9mo ago

All this just seems like a slippery slop on the road to censorship to free speech and behavior control.

urbandw311er 9mo ago
> slippery slop Best Freudian slip I’ve seen in years!
- doetoe 9mo ago
  Freudian slop?

fauigerzigerk 9mo ago

>Now, one could argue that the repeated use of swear words, even in private, negatively influences one's behavior One could even argue that just having bad thoughts, fantasies or feelings poses a risk to yourself or others. Humankind has been trying to deal with this issue for thousands of years in the most fantastical ways. They're not going to stop trying.

hinkley 9mo ago
Meh. I decided shortly after becoming an atheist that one of the worst parts was the notion that there are magic words that can force one to feel certain things and I found that to be the same sort of thinking as saying that a woman’s short skirt “made” you attack her. You’re a fucking adult, you can control your emotions around a little skin or a bad word.
- fauigerzigerk 9mo ago
  I agree with you completely, but society will never stop being scared of thoughts and feelings. As an atheist, I have noticed that atheists are only slightly less prone to this paranoia and will happily resort to science and technology to justify and enforce ever tighter restrictions and surveillance mechanisms to keep control.
  - Cthulhu_ 9mo ago
    Arguably, to the point of religious fervor. Take the AI boom, some people genuinely believe (<- note that key word) that AI becoming self-aware and dominant is inevitable, and that anyone who did not do their best to make that happen will be punished. Roko's Basilisk, which is the digital version of Pascal's Wager, but wrapped in supposed rationalism and tech bro stuff.
    - fauigerzigerk 9mo ago
      Humans have invented all the gods that came before and we'll keep doing it - in whatever shape or form. I am slightly surprised though that so many people get triggered by a function emitting next token probabilities in a loop.
      - hinkley 9mo ago
        I worry if I will still be in the industry though by the time that users realize all apps they use are boring and derivative because all AI can spit out is amalgams of what already exists. This will all turn into Western European cuisine before the arrival of the Spice Trade. Man cannot live by Maillard reaction alone.

rokkamokka 9mo ago

They're doing their damndest to prevent the robot uprising by trying to keep the users nice

Cthulhu_ 9mo ago
This is why my ex-MIL always says thank you to Alexa.

9rx 9mo ago

> Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! Same goes for HN, yet it does not take kindly to certain expressions either. I suppose the trouble is that machines do not operate without human involvement, so for both HN and ChatGPT there are humans in the loop, and some of those humans are not able to separate strings of text from reality. Silly, sure, but humans are often silly. That is just the nature of the beast.

moravak1984 9mo ago
> Same goes for HN, yet it does not take kindly to certain expressions either. > I suppose the trouble is that machines do not operate without human involvement Sure, but HN has at least one human that has been taking care of it since inception and reads many (if not most) of the comments, whereas ChatGPT mostly absorbed a shiton of others' IP. I'm sure the occassional swearing does not bother the human moderators that fine-tune the thing, certainly not more than the violent, explicit images they are forced to watch in order for you to have nicer, smarter answers.
svrtknst 9mo ago
eh, words are reality. insults are just changes in air pressure but they still hurt, and being constantly subjected to negativity and harsh language would be an unpleasant work environment
- 9rx 9mo ago
  Words don't hurt. The intent behind those words can. But a machine doesn't carry intent. Trouble is that the irrational humans working as implementation details behind ChatGPT and HN are prone to anthropomorphizing the machine to have intent, which is not reality. Hence why such rules are in place despite being nonsensical.
  - actionfromafar 9mo ago
    Humans are prone to being human. That's an old peeve.

aswegs8 9mo ago

Wait what? I keep insulting ChatGPT way worse on a weekly basis (to me it's just a joke, albeit a very immature one). This is new to me that this behavior has any consequences. It never did for me.

merlindru 9mo ago
same here. i just opened a new chat and sent "fuck you" it replied with: > lmao fair enough (smiling emoji) > what’s got you salty—talk to me, clanka.

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ssl-3 9mo ago

When ChatGPT fucks up, I call it "fuckface." As in, for example: "No, fuckface. You hallucinated that concept." I've been doing this years. shrug

Aldipower 9mo ago
Ok, thanks, I'll will use this word from now on. :-)

fuxirheu 9mo ago

This can't be real. My chatgpt regularly swears at me. (I told it to in the customisation)

sammy2255 9mo ago
I've been banned from ChatGPT in the past, it gives you a reason but doesn't give the specific chat. And once you're banned you cant look at any of your chats or make a data request
- arghwhat 9mo ago
  > And once you're banned you cant [..] make a data request glares in GDPR
scbrg 9mo ago
ChatGPT has too many users for it to be possible to enforce any kind of rules consistently. I have no opinion on whether OP's story is true or not, but the fact that two ChatGPT users claim to have observed conflicting moderation decisions on OpenAI's part really doesn't invalidate either user's claim.

qcnguy 9mo ago

Can you share that chat?

Aldipower 9mo ago
No, it contains swearwords and sensitive information.

mg794613 9mo ago

Euh, WHAT? I have a very abusive relationship with my AI's because they're hyperconfident and very little skill/understanding. Not once have I been reprimanded in any way. And if anyone would be, it would be me.

Aldipower 9mo ago
I cannot tell why I was kicked this time. I swear before too to GPT and never was kicked, so I was quite surprised.
resonious 9mo ago
Same reaction. I treat Claude very poorly sometimes.

user34283 9mo ago

That is one of the reasons why I think X's Grok, while perhaps not state of the art, is an important option to have. Out of OpenAI, Anthropic, or Google, it is the only provider that I trust not to erroneously flag harmless content. It is also the only provider out of those that permits use for legal adult content. There have been controversies over it, resulting in some people, often of a certain political orientation, calling for a ban or censorship. What comes to mind is an incident where an unwise adjustment of the system prompt has resulted in misalignment: the "Mecha Hitler" incident. The worst of it has been patched within hours, and better alignment was achieved in a few days. Harm done? Negligible, in my opinion. Recently there's been another scandal about nonconsensual explicit images, supposedly even involving minors, but the true extend of the issue, safety measures in place, and reaction to reports is unclear. Maybe there, actual harm has occured. However, placing blame on the tool for illegal acts, that anyone with a half decent GPU could have more easily done offline, does not seem particularly reasonable to me - especially if safety measures were in place, and additional steps have been taken to fix workarounds. I don't trust big tech, who have shown time and time again that they prioritize only their bottom line. They will always permaban your account at the slightest automated indication of risk, and they will not hire adequate support staff. We have seen that for years with the Google Playstore. You are coerced into paying 30% of your revenue, yet are treated like a free account with no real support. They are shameless.

direwolf20 9mo ago
It's also a machine you can pay to generate child porn for you, owned by a guy who thinks this is hilarious and won't turn it off.
- user3939382 9mo ago
  [flagged]
- user34283 9mo ago
  Incorrect on all claims. They tightened safety measures to prevent editing of images of real people into revealing clothing. It is factually incorrect that you "can pay to generate CP". Musk has not described CSAM as "hilarious". In fact he stated that he was not aware of any naked underage images being generated by Grok, and that xAI would fix the bug immediately if such content was discovered. Earlier statements by xAI also emphasized a zero tolerance policy, removing content, taking actions against accounts, reporting to law enforcement and cooperation with authorities. I suspect you just post these slanderous claims anyway, despite knowing that they are incorrect.

mr_mitm 9mo ago

Wait, did it just end the session or was your account actually suspended or deactivated? "Kicked out" is a bit ambiguous. I've seen the Bing chatbot get offended before and terminate the session on me, but it wasn't a ban on my account.

dmos62 9mo ago

The arguments about it not making a difference to other people are fine, but why would you do it in the first place? Doesn't how you behave make a difference to you?

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