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I weep for my country (Canada). This is a large, obvious, mistake.
by throwpoaster 9mo ago
I weep for my country (Canada).
This is a large, obvious, mistake.
- pnexk 9mo ago> This is a large, obvious, mistake. It seems quite rational a response to the decisions taken by a larger neighboring nation’s state unexpectedly increasing hostility.
- throwpoaster 9mo agoResponding to hostility with hostility is emotional, not rational. The geographic reality is that Canada derives substantial, permanent trade and defence advantages from our position as neighbours. Realignment towards China and Europe for emotional reasons squanders those advantages.
- diego_moita 9mo ago> Responding to hostility with hostility is emotional, not rational. And how do you classify to responding to hostility with submission? Besides, Canada isn't even being hostile. A divorce is very different from abuse or harassment.
- moolcool 9mo agoIf the US is no longer interested in being a good-faith partner, what alternative does Canada have?
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- saghm 9mo agoCan you elaborate for those of us who aren't as familiar with Canada what the obvious nature of this mistake is?
- eschulz 9mo agoI'm not from Canada, but my take is that given Canada's economic reliance on the US, any "divorce" would cost them more than anything they could find anywhere else. However, I also don't think the PM there can simply separate his country from the US by simply giving a speech, although he can work to foster closer ties with others while still trying to make it work with the US.
- watwut 9mo agoThey are working on making themselves less dependent. They kind of expect USA to try to invade them after it invades Greenland. It is divorce in anticipation of a bout of domestic violence.
- kevin061 9mo agoCanada will suffer greatly, and possibly much more than the US. But appeasing US, in the position of Canada, is akin to trying to reason with a wife beater. You don't reason. You remove the victim from the hands of the aggressor. It will cost a lot of money, and the Canadians will suffer greatly. But the alternative is to join America, which Canadians have stated don't want to.
- throwpoaster 9mo agoI’m still waiting for an offer. :)
- alzoid 9mo agoIf you watch his speech and the follow up interview you he answers that directly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDMyeGQm3NA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDMyeGQm3NA @ 17:50). It's a good watch, better than the past 10 years of daily coverage by American media of what their dumb president and ex president is ranting about. I am in the start up community in Canada. I can tell you that after the first threat from Trump every federal program to help tech start ups immediately pivoted to Asia and the EU. Before he started yapping, we were connected to Canadian representatives in the US, meeting about markets and opportunities. Now all programs are directed at forming partnerships elsewhere.
- TwoNineA 9mo agoSo you are happy that our "friend" decided on a whim to wanting to invade our other friend? Despite all of us being part of the same friend group? Despite canadian and danish blood being spilled in Afghanistan right after our "friend" decided to call article 5? Fuck off.
- throwpoaster 9mo ago[flagged]
- andsoitis 9mo agoDo you think it is a mistake because you disagree with Carney’s reasoning? Or do you think it is a mistake because of the risk it opens? Or do you think it is a mistake for some other reason?
- hudon 9mo agoAs Canada is separating from the US, it is growing closer with China. This makes Canada a threat to the US. This makes the US a threat to Canada. This makes the US more likely to grab Canada's arm and pull it back in its circle by force. Canada just did a model of how long it could last against a US invasion and the answer was that its defenses would last 2-5 days. It's all unnecessary and will just cause pain to end up where it started.
- tharmas 9mo agoYoure saying dont do a Ukraine?
- vacuity 9mo agoMilitary action would be brutal, but you can only say that it's unnecessary if the alternatives are better. If not now, then how many years down the line? The claims Carney are making are not light in their own right.
- andsoitis 9mo ago> As Canada is separating from the US, it is growing closer with China. This makes Canada a threat to the US. This makes the US a threat to Canada But didn't you get the order of events precisely wrong? Isn't it America who threatened Canada (become a state of the US)? Isn't America who threatened Canada with extreme tariffs? Etc.
- hudon 9mo agoNo, I didn’t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93China_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93China_relations
- lifetimerubyist 9mo agoSpeak for yourself. I've haven't felt this proud to be Canadian in a long time. (voted for Poilievre btw).
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- throwpoaster 9mo agoThanks for your vote and keep voting Conservative. Jamil is who we should have talking to the Americans.
- bryanlarsen 9mo agoRound one 12 months ago was a mistake. Elbows up when everybody else caved and went elbows down was a mistake. Carney learned the right lesson, though. As Europe has learned, elbows down is also a mistake. The right approach is elbows up as a unified response.
- conorcleary 9mo agoThe only mirage of 'elbows down' I've seen is pen to paper, elbows on desks. Action through words.
- bryanlarsen 9mo agoThere's been lots of true action - tariffs on American goods - embargoes of American liquor - trade deals with China and other nations - travel to the US down substantially