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Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

234 points by martindale 14y ago

vacipr 14y ago
"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
- meaty 14y ago
  Stabbing others in the back is no way to behave, especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images.
  - mistercow 14y ago
    >especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images That objection doesn't make any sense because those complaints are unrelated to the complaints people have about Windows 8. If you want to say that directly attacking your competition is un-classy, fine (although a better criticism might be that directly attacking your competition is known to be ineffective marketing). But to say that specific random shortcomings of Ubuntu have any bearing on the matter is silly.
    - meaty 14y ago
      I'm making a couple of points in that comment: 1. Attacking your competition is definitely not classy. 2. The suddly introduced shortcomings of Ubuntu are being ignored and regularly hidden away under the wave of marketing from (1).
      - vidarh 14y ago
        The "shortcoming" is fixed by uninstalling a single package.
  - vacipr 14y ago
    So you are saying Windows 8 is bad means backstabbing Microsoft? Everyone seems to be doing that lately. As far as I know they're not sending the requests directly to Amazon and there are currently 2 ways to disable that. Have you tried disabling metro ? Good luck with that. Also Dash no longer displays adult content from Amazon.
    - ordinary 14y ago
      You know how the IE team sent (do they still?) cakes to Mozilla for Firefox major version releases? This is the opposite of that.
      - recoiledsnake 14y ago
        They stopped sending cakes once the Firefox team started releasing versions faster to get more cakes from Microsoft.
        skinnymuch 14y ago
        It may be the middle of the night, but I laughed far too hard at your comment.
  - atopuzov 14y ago
    Ubuntu BUG #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
    - bni 14y ago
      Interesting, they changed it form "Windows" to "Proprietary". Or do I misremember that?
      - mxey 14y ago
        You do not, it once read “Windows has…”
      - Evbn 14y ago
        After 8 years of saying "Windows", it was changed as part of the 12.10 cycle.
  - thechut 14y ago
    Lots of people are quick to jump on this "Avoid the pain of Windows 8" comment but people need to relax. Their is something major being overlooked here. Ubuntu is giving away their OS for FREE. $0 Windows 8 will be cheaper than previous Windows upgrades but lets not forget about the pillars of free software and why to support it.
    - Jare 14y ago
      'Free' and 'polite' are not mutually exclusive. The first pillar of free software is not '$0 free', it's 'respect'.
      - gizmo686 14y ago
        I don't recall ever seeing respect as a pillar of free software. I always thought the first pillar was freedom. Canocial can be as rude as they want, but as long as they do not make it difficult for me to do what I want with their software, their software is free.
        Jare 14y ago
        Free Software is about acknowledging and enabling your rights and value, both individually and within the community. Freedom of availability / modification / etc are the tools to achieve that. However, just because you give me something for free, doesn't mean you value me and want to empower me. And you can't value someone if you don't respect them first. Perhaps this is all just arguing semantics, but the idea that motives matter is important to me.
      - pimeys 14y ago
        I don't understand how can Linux folks feel any respect for Microsoft after what they tried to do to Linux community a couple of years ago...
        Snoddas 14y ago
        "They started it" - Is no reason to be disrespectful or rude. Instead they should show by example how a to act.
  - takluyver 14y ago
    'Stabbing in the back' generally implies betraying someone who trusted you. I don't think that's really applicable here: Canonical are directly competing with Microsoft. For what it's worth, that slogan seems to have been changed now: the home page now just says "Your wish is our command." Though I'm sure critics will still see plenty of irony there.
- georgemcbay 14y ago
  "Avoid the pain of Windows 8." I've been running Windows 8 since the RTM went to MSDN. I adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Windows 8 within a week. Four months into Ubuntu with Unity I eventually adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Unity by switching to Mint. Ubuntu has no leg to stand on when it comes to new versions of an OS making unwanted changes to UX. [Before anyone chimes in here, I know you can set up Ubuntu to work with other desktops than Unity, but IMO there's not really a compelling reason to stick with it when the out-of-the-box experience is inferior to another distro.]
  - javajosh 14y ago
    Forgive me, but I don't know what you mean by "cheese-moving pain". Two questions: first, is this a well-known term that I've just not run across? And second, what do you mean by it? (And if the answer to 1 is "no" then, WTH?)
    - georgemcbay 14y ago
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese
      - skeletonjelly 14y ago
        Interesting. Have you read the book? Wondering if I could use something out of this for clients who fear the change (be it UI, UX, process)
        georgemcbay 14y ago
        I've never read the book the phrase comes from actually, so I can't speak to it directly. I'm only aware of the phrase "moving the cheese" because it has become a bit of a meme over the past few years in development/IT (this may be a regional thing).
        nodata 14y ago
        You can read the book in less than an hour, it's not big.
- jw_ 14y ago
  Avoid the trainwreck that is Metro by hopping onboard the trainwreck that is Unity! Sorry, that slogan is a bit much given how bad the recent Ubuntu releases have been.
- foxhop 14y ago
  Starting drama with the competition is a good move, it makes your company/product relevant, causes people to talk about your company/product, and shows that your product/company has personality. The term "Avoid the pain of Windows 8." is not overly offensive and does not lack class.
- kisielk 14y ago
  Trying to use multiple monitors on an Nvidia card and nothing but pain. They work just fine under Windows.
  - LarryMade 14y ago
    Hmm, seems to be working fine for me, have two going right now.
    - scorpioxy 14y ago
      Same here. Unity had a few bugs which seems to be fixed in this release but nothing annoying enough for me to switch. Ironically, I also ran two screens on an ATI card which I bought to support their open source efforts. The nVidia was much better!
    - kisielk 14y ago
      Care to send me a description of your setup? If I use the nvidia binary driver with twinview then the rendering is glacially slow. It's fast with nouveau but then I have display artifacts everywhere, regions of the screen get filled with solid blue.
  - xentronium 14y ago
    If you only have two, it's bearable, though.
  - moondowner 14y ago
    Use KDE (Kubuntu), it has better multimonitor support. http://brainacle.com/multiseating-with-kde-and-xbmc-like-a-boss.html http://brainacle.com/multiseating-with-kde-and-xbmc-like-a-b...
Smotko 14y ago
Is there a torrent? The direct download seems to be slow.
- sahaskatta 14y ago
  Yup. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads Getting nearly 1 MBps speeds via torrent.
Iroiso 14y ago
Nice Campaign, "Pick an enemy, Differentiate". Way to go canonical!
- vacri 14y ago
  It worked magnificently for Apple.
isharabash 14y ago
I found this amusing: http://i.imgur.com/8X02z.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8X02z.jpg
- darkstalker 14y ago
  You can do that putting this on the firefox URL: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
capitalisthakr 14y ago
It also works almost flawlessly out of the box on the Retina MacBook Pro. The only thing that requires adding is the Broadcom b43 modules and possibly the proprietary nVidia drivers. Very impressive.
- morsch 14y ago
  It does? Isn't everything tiny? What resolution is it using?
  - capitalisthakr 14y ago
    Yes, it defaults to full retina resolution (2880x1800). Although it doesn't look too bad like that, and Ubuntu let's you modify the UI font size, I'd probably run at a more reasonable 1920x1200.
josephlord 14y ago
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054282 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shoppin... Make sure you disable the shopping lens before searching in public. Amazon searches can be NSFW! Don't search for analyze in a school or Saudi Arabia. I think that this is unacceptable default behaviour but currently seems to be a WON'T FIX.
- eduardchil 14y ago
  No that ways fixed.
- gtCameron 14y ago
  There is a separate bug for the same issue that has been marked as fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1060979 https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1060979
  - scott_karana 14y ago
    That fix (2012-10-05) predates the majority of the comments in GP's post, which is still unfolding. I rather doubt this has been fixed.
  - josephlord 14y ago
    I'm not saying that you are wrong but that fix seems to about suppressing error results and a quick glance at the diff doesn't immediately look like it introduces any filter (unless all images are suppressed from Amazon). If the bug I linked to is fixed it should be marked as such quickly because theRegister's initial review of 12.10 links to it and refers heavily to it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ubuntu_12_10_review/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ubuntu_12_10_review/ Either it is fixed (and that should be properly indicated) or it should be taken seriously and fixed VERY quickly. The attitude of don't care/won't fix isn't acceptable for a public release by a supposedly professional commercial organisation or really anything beyond hobbyist scale. Canonical/Ubuntu is too big to let this default behaviour out of the door. If they can't fix it instantly they should disable the whole feature (as default) until they can fix it. Edit: I've checked the diff again and maybe combined with server side changes it may resolve the issue. The point remains that the open issue should be properly closed.
adamman 14y ago
"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" If you think Windows 8 is going to be a pain, I don't recommend moving to Ubuntu. BTW, I really like Ubuntu. I don't like that sales pitch though.
- untog 14y ago
  Very much so. The pain with Windows 8 is going to be the UI change- switching to Ubuntu will require a very similar adjustment to a new UI (one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it).
  - mistercow 14y ago
    >(one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it). You don't have to use Unity. I see Unity as a potential innovation driver but something I probably won't use for a long time. You will have to switch to an unfamiliar UI, but you get to decide which one it will be. And if you use Gnome or KDE, you will have a ton of control to make the UI bend to your will (assuming you don't mind banging your head against it for a few hours to get it configured just right).
    - untog 14y ago
      Sure. But when you start factoring in switching your OS UI after installing it... well, Windows 8 doesn't look so "painful" to the average consumer.
      - slurgfest 14y ago
        Why would the average consumer care? It is old school diehards who are angry about Gnome 2, not new consumers who are slightly more likely to switch in the light of Windows 8 upheaval.
  - gizmo686 14y ago
    Users who upgraded ubuntu versions were able to simply select gnome from a drop down menu at the login screen. People who installed 11.04+ (I think) had to install gnome after the main installation. Changing the default is the only way you can get rapid improvement in a market. Making it easy to switch back satisfies those who are significantly upset with the change. It is the best compromise I have seen between progress and supporting legacy users. Also, unity only changed the desktop. The apps you run were the same. Metro has a different UI paradigm for the apps themselves.
thechut 14y ago
I'm a little confused. I don't see a change log. I also don't see an easy way to upgrade from 12.04 which is what I currently run. Do I need to do a full reinstall? Am I missing something? (probably)
- spindritf 14y ago
  > I don't see a change log. That's not a change log but new features are listed here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new > I also don't see an easy way to upgrade from 12.04 which is what I currently run. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade I never had any problems with it but some people prefer a clean install.
- aes256 14y ago
  It wasn't showing up in update manager for me on 12.04 LTS. Fire up Terminal and run 'update-manager -d' and it should show up.
  - atopuzov 14y ago
    By default it only notifies about Long Term Support (LTS) releases, go to preferences and set it to "every release".
  - thechut 14y ago
    This worked for me. Thanks!
- deleted 14y ago
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wpietri 14y ago
Say, has somebody come up with a clever way for me to try this and then revert if I'd rather stick with 12.04 LTS? Besides, of course, backing up and restoring everything?
- loungin 14y ago
  Why not use a virtual machine? Then you can be worry free about your current setup.
  - wpietri 14y ago
    My major issue with Ubuntu upgrades are hardware related, and another set are issues that only show up after a few days of use. So I'd rather try it for a week and then roll back if it's a net negative.
- JulianMorrison 14y ago
  Yes, a live CD / live USB stick.
- loevborg 14y ago
  Well, what you can do is boot from a live usb stick, mount your drive, move /* to /old/ and install afresh. If everything works as desired, you can move back your /home/user directory or selectively get your home directory back. If you don't like it, move everything back. Then you only need to restore grub, which should be easily doable using a chroot from the live media.
  - wpietri 14y ago
    Thanks! Alas, that means I have to deal with a fresh install. Which I may do, but it's not the straightforward things I was hoping for. What I'm really looking for is the sort of upgrade/rollback process I'm used to creating for my production apps. One-button upgrade, one-button rollback. Looks like Ubuntu isn't there yet. I suppose the easy thing is just to get another disk, clone my existing setup, and do the upgrade. If I don't like it, I'll just swap in the backup disk.
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husam212 14y ago
This is childish, I think Canonical should not go with this way of advertising ... like Samsung and others.
stuartcoope 14y ago
Avoid the pain of Windows 8. Stay classy Canonical...
robert_nsu 14y ago
Maybe it's just me, but I spent less time getting acclimated to Windows 8 than I did with Unity. I find nothing difficult about it at all.
- brandoncapecci 14y ago
  Agreed. If it was a substantial issue, Ubuntu would have much better market penetration.
modarts 14y ago
"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.
- nacs 14y ago
  This is a cliched reply that would be appropriate a few years ago. Nowadays, I've found that I can install Ubuntu on more laptops and desktops and get better driver support from the initial install than even Windows can in many cases. With Windows, I've had to scrounge around for drivers and pray they're compatible with Windows 8 Professional 64bit Premium Plus Bonus edition on the same laptops.
  - thebigshane 14y ago
    My list so far: No official Google Drive[0] support (but we do have Dropbox) No official Garmin Connect[1] support All in all, that's not bad. All monitors, ebook readers, mp3 players, cameras, printers, wifi, mice/keyboards have all been perfect out of the box for years (for me). [0]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161273/is-there-a-google-drive-client-available http://askubuntu.com/questions/161273/is-there-a-google-driv... [1]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505/how-can-i-use-my-garmin-device-in-ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/505/how-can-i-use-my-garmin-d...
    - naglfar 14y ago
      The only thing that really annoys me is that the Google Nexus 7 (and apparently all other Android 4 devices) use MTP now, which is still kind of a hassle to get working reliably. Apart from that I totally have to agree with you - even the proprietary graphic card drivers haven't given me any real problems for the last 2 years.
    - munchor 14y ago
      There is a Google Drive client (just unofficial). And that is completely unrelated to Ubuntu and GNU/Linux. That is Google's fault for not caring about GNU/Linux.
anuaitt 14y ago
this is totally childish, i have been using ubuntu for last 6 years and never have had complains with their working. they used to do splendid job by delivering the cds at door steps in shipit program. but this step of defaming competitors is never gonna help, it is going to become a part of criticism.
- slurgfest 14y ago
  I don't know if you noticed, but Ubuntu hasn't been picking up new users at a dramatic rate. And it's easily in the top 3 Linux distros. What do they actually have to lose? If I use Ubuntu on my laptop, and Ubuntu says something about Windows 8, am I going to stop using Ubuntu because I am so offended on Microsoft's behalf? Not really.
  - anuaitt 14y ago
    I completely agree with you. I am not going to stop using ubuntu, but what i am saying is this is not an act of maturity. we love Linux for the Base context of being free and open source which is not going to change. The Reason for not getting picked up i assume is the constant UI changes Ubuntu is doing. well i did't actually like the UNITY Desktop. What if they could have just maintained a sleek UI and added more and more nice features. I hope that would have helped.
krisneuharth 14y ago
Just upgraded. If anyone is running the open AMD/ATI drivers and the UI becomes slow and unusable you should try to install the proprietary drivers. It made the UI snappy again because everything seems to require hardware acceleration now.
rotskoff 14y ago
Hopefully 13.04 has a new color palette.
- meaty 14y ago
  i.e. not the current "shit and vomit" one?
trotsky 14y ago
I guess it's official that mark is out of money?
mkhattab 14y ago
I guess I missed the "old" slogan on the homepage. It's now "Your wish is our command."
jebblue 14y ago
Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc. But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a power user although it feels weird compared to the excellent Gnome 2. Until Unity, Ubuntu was unstoppable IMHO. It's still good though.
- fusiongyro 14y ago
  After about 8 years of screwing around with my window manager and whatnot I switched to Mac OS X and did not find that the lack of configurability was a significant detriment to my productivity. In fact, in some ways it was beneficial, because I spent fewer days trying out new window managers and configuring them. Going back to Linux with Ubuntu, I rather like Unity because it gets me past the hump of all that nonsense and is perfectly adequate at multiplexing browsers and terminals for me. Back when Metacity was young, you could hardly move without hearing screams from people about how lame a window manager it was, especially compared to things like Sawfish and FVWM. It's really quite surreal to hear people decrying the lack of a built-in power user stuff like Metacity today. Of course we're talking about the whole desktop environment, but still, I hear what I hear. In any event, if you're a power user, you're going to screw with these defaults until you're blue in the face and I see no evidence that Ubuntu is going to take away that luxury. But I'm back from OS X now because I feel that coming with Apple.
  - jebblue 14y ago
    My reason for never trying Apple products (I hope I don't get buried in down votes) but end of the day ... here goes, I just thought they (Steve not Steve) had a smug attitude. That bothered me. I guess it still does. I don't want to hold that long term, but the more I read ... never mind this is about a good Linux distribution, Ubuntu (holding a candle out for Unity to improve ... a lot). (hint forget mobile, let Android and iOS have that). We desktop users are not feeling the love now, new users sure, the rest, nah.
baldfat 14y ago
Unity is the new Mono. Unity is fine and I think better then Gnome Shell but I use Awesome WM since I am too leet.
CoryG89 14y ago
Great, now I just have to rip Unity out and shove Gnome 3 in there with a shoehorn.
- slurgfest 14y ago
  'apt-get install gnome shell' isn't difficult to type. Then choose the gnome session - Unity isn't affecting you at this point.
  - ktf 14y ago
    I thought that too, until I tried binding Super+T to launch a terminal in Gnome Shell. Turns out Unity eats all Super keypresses even when it's not running. One workaround is to install CCSM, rebind the dash key to some key combo you'll never actually need, then set your key bindings normally. ...or install Xubuntu.
- n8n 14y ago
  Have you tried the GNOME Remix installer? I haven't given it a try, but my understanding is that it comes without Unity. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10
kentosi 14y ago
Is anyone else running this in VirtualBox on a MacBook Pro Retina? Is it incredibly laggy for you too?
iamtherockstar 14y ago
"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" Before you get all bothered by this, go and read Bug #1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
lsiebert 14y ago
I'm happy. This means Mint 14 is coming soon :).
Garbage 14y ago
For what's new, visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new
dayjah 14y ago
I've been running this for a few days now on my macbook air (mid-2012, aka 5,2) and it is flawless. 12.04 needed to have ACPI switched off, I guess at some point the fixed that but I didn't think to check until I decided to take the plunge with beta2 and the clean install booted absolutely perfectly! #Ubuntu #Winning
ekianjo 14y ago
Just did the upgrade from 12.04 and most things worked fine, but I lost the sound output in the way. After a quick search on the ubuntu forums, I found the way to restore it, and voila, sound is back and everything is working like before. A little strange, though. If I expect any issue, it's probably not about the sound...
zoowar 14y ago
Let the Amazon stalking begin!
mrinterweb 14y ago
This is the first release of Ubuntu that I am not excited to upgrade to. The whole Amazon web search is bothersome to me. I can understand Canonical wanting to make money, but getting in bed with Amazon is kind of weird. Also I did not see any features in 12.10 that I was excited about. Disappointing release.
pissed 14y ago
Updated Ubuntu to 12.10. It booted up with grub rescue. What a pile of shit. Avoid the pain of Ubuntu. Never mind complaining about Windows until Ubuntu gets its own act straight. Can't waste any more time with this crap.
pissed 14y ago
major grub boot problem with ubuntu 12.10 dumped the cd in garbage. Back to windows 7. Much better operating system.

234 points by martindale 14y ago

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

meaty 14y ago
Stabbing others in the back is no way to behave, especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images.
- mistercow 14y ago
  >especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images That objection doesn't make any sense because those complaints are unrelated to the complaints people have about Windows 8. If you want to say that directly attacking your competition is un-classy, fine (although a better criticism might be that directly attacking your competition is known to be ineffective marketing). But to say that specific random shortcomings of Ubuntu have any bearing on the matter is silly.
  - meaty 14y ago
    I'm making a couple of points in that comment: 1. Attacking your competition is definitely not classy. 2. The suddly introduced shortcomings of Ubuntu are being ignored and regularly hidden away under the wave of marketing from (1).
    - vidarh 14y ago
      The "shortcoming" is fixed by uninstalling a single package.
- vacipr 14y ago
  So you are saying Windows 8 is bad means backstabbing Microsoft? Everyone seems to be doing that lately. As far as I know they're not sending the requests directly to Amazon and there are currently 2 ways to disable that. Have you tried disabling metro ? Good luck with that. Also Dash no longer displays adult content from Amazon.
  - ordinary 14y ago
    You know how the IE team sent (do they still?) cakes to Mozilla for Firefox major version releases? This is the opposite of that.
    - recoiledsnake 14y ago
      They stopped sending cakes once the Firefox team started releasing versions faster to get more cakes from Microsoft.
      - skinnymuch 14y ago
        It may be the middle of the night, but I laughed far too hard at your comment.
- atopuzov 14y ago
  Ubuntu BUG #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
  - bni 14y ago
    Interesting, they changed it form "Windows" to "Proprietary". Or do I misremember that?
    - mxey 14y ago
      You do not, it once read “Windows has…”
    - Evbn 14y ago
      After 8 years of saying "Windows", it was changed as part of the 12.10 cycle.
- thechut 14y ago
  Lots of people are quick to jump on this "Avoid the pain of Windows 8" comment but people need to relax. Their is something major being overlooked here. Ubuntu is giving away their OS for FREE. $0 Windows 8 will be cheaper than previous Windows upgrades but lets not forget about the pillars of free software and why to support it.
  - Jare 14y ago
    'Free' and 'polite' are not mutually exclusive. The first pillar of free software is not '$0 free', it's 'respect'.
    - gizmo686 14y ago
      I don't recall ever seeing respect as a pillar of free software. I always thought the first pillar was freedom. Canocial can be as rude as they want, but as long as they do not make it difficult for me to do what I want with their software, their software is free.
      - Jare 14y ago
        Free Software is about acknowledging and enabling your rights and value, both individually and within the community. Freedom of availability / modification / etc are the tools to achieve that. However, just because you give me something for free, doesn't mean you value me and want to empower me. And you can't value someone if you don't respect them first. Perhaps this is all just arguing semantics, but the idea that motives matter is important to me.
    - pimeys 14y ago
      I don't understand how can Linux folks feel any respect for Microsoft after what they tried to do to Linux community a couple of years ago...
      - Snoddas 14y ago
        "They started it" - Is no reason to be disrespectful or rude. Instead they should show by example how a to act.
- takluyver 14y ago
  'Stabbing in the back' generally implies betraying someone who trusted you. I don't think that's really applicable here: Canonical are directly competing with Microsoft. For what it's worth, that slogan seems to have been changed now: the home page now just says "Your wish is our command." Though I'm sure critics will still see plenty of irony there.
georgemcbay 14y ago
"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." I've been running Windows 8 since the RTM went to MSDN. I adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Windows 8 within a week. Four months into Ubuntu with Unity I eventually adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Unity by switching to Mint. Ubuntu has no leg to stand on when it comes to new versions of an OS making unwanted changes to UX. [Before anyone chimes in here, I know you can set up Ubuntu to work with other desktops than Unity, but IMO there's not really a compelling reason to stick with it when the out-of-the-box experience is inferior to another distro.]
- javajosh 14y ago
  Forgive me, but I don't know what you mean by "cheese-moving pain". Two questions: first, is this a well-known term that I've just not run across? And second, what do you mean by it? (And if the answer to 1 is "no" then, WTH?)
  - georgemcbay 14y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese
    - skeletonjelly 14y ago
      Interesting. Have you read the book? Wondering if I could use something out of this for clients who fear the change (be it UI, UX, process)
      - georgemcbay 14y ago
        I've never read the book the phrase comes from actually, so I can't speak to it directly. I'm only aware of the phrase "moving the cheese" because it has become a bit of a meme over the past few years in development/IT (this may be a regional thing).
      - nodata 14y ago
        You can read the book in less than an hour, it's not big.
jw_ 14y ago
Avoid the trainwreck that is Metro by hopping onboard the trainwreck that is Unity! Sorry, that slogan is a bit much given how bad the recent Ubuntu releases have been.
foxhop 14y ago
Starting drama with the competition is a good move, it makes your company/product relevant, causes people to talk about your company/product, and shows that your product/company has personality. The term "Avoid the pain of Windows 8." is not overly offensive and does not lack class.
kisielk 14y ago
Trying to use multiple monitors on an Nvidia card and nothing but pain. They work just fine under Windows.
- LarryMade 14y ago
  Hmm, seems to be working fine for me, have two going right now.
  - scorpioxy 14y ago
    Same here. Unity had a few bugs which seems to be fixed in this release but nothing annoying enough for me to switch. Ironically, I also ran two screens on an ATI card which I bought to support their open source efforts. The nVidia was much better!
  - kisielk 14y ago
    Care to send me a description of your setup? If I use the nvidia binary driver with twinview then the rendering is glacially slow. It's fast with nouveau but then I have display artifacts everywhere, regions of the screen get filled with solid blue.
- xentronium 14y ago
  If you only have two, it's bearable, though.
- moondowner 14y ago
  Use KDE (Kubuntu), it has better multimonitor support. http://brainacle.com/multiseating-with-kde-and-xbmc-like-a-boss.html http://brainacle.com/multiseating-with-kde-and-xbmc-like-a-b...

Smotko 14y ago

Is there a torrent? The direct download seems to be slow.

sahaskatta 14y ago
Yup. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads Getting nearly 1 MBps speeds via torrent.

Iroiso 14y ago

Nice Campaign, "Pick an enemy, Differentiate". Way to go canonical!

vacri 14y ago
It worked magnificently for Apple.

isharabash 14y ago

I found this amusing: http://i.imgur.com/8X02z.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8X02z.jpg

darkstalker 14y ago
You can do that putting this on the firefox URL: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul

capitalisthakr 14y ago

It also works almost flawlessly out of the box on the Retina MacBook Pro. The only thing that requires adding is the Broadcom b43 modules and possibly the proprietary nVidia drivers. Very impressive.

morsch 14y ago
It does? Isn't everything tiny? What resolution is it using?
- capitalisthakr 14y ago
  Yes, it defaults to full retina resolution (2880x1800). Although it doesn't look too bad like that, and Ubuntu let's you modify the UI font size, I'd probably run at a more reasonable 1920x1200.

josephlord 14y ago

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054282 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shoppin... Make sure you disable the shopping lens before searching in public. Amazon searches can be NSFW! Don't search for analyze in a school or Saudi Arabia. I think that this is unacceptable default behaviour but currently seems to be a WON'T FIX.

eduardchil 14y ago
No that ways fixed.
gtCameron 14y ago
There is a separate bug for the same issue that has been marked as fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1060979 https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1060979
- scott_karana 14y ago
  That fix (2012-10-05) predates the majority of the comments in GP's post, which is still unfolding. I rather doubt this has been fixed.
- josephlord 14y ago
  I'm not saying that you are wrong but that fix seems to about suppressing error results and a quick glance at the diff doesn't immediately look like it introduces any filter (unless all images are suppressed from Amazon). If the bug I linked to is fixed it should be marked as such quickly because theRegister's initial review of 12.10 links to it and refers heavily to it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ubuntu_12_10_review/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ubuntu_12_10_review/ Either it is fixed (and that should be properly indicated) or it should be taken seriously and fixed VERY quickly. The attitude of don't care/won't fix isn't acceptable for a public release by a supposedly professional commercial organisation or really anything beyond hobbyist scale. Canonical/Ubuntu is too big to let this default behaviour out of the door. If they can't fix it instantly they should disable the whole feature (as default) until they can fix it. Edit: I've checked the diff again and maybe combined with server side changes it may resolve the issue. The point remains that the open issue should be properly closed.

adamman 14y ago

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" If you think Windows 8 is going to be a pain, I don't recommend moving to Ubuntu. BTW, I really like Ubuntu. I don't like that sales pitch though.

untog 14y ago
Very much so. The pain with Windows 8 is going to be the UI change- switching to Ubuntu will require a very similar adjustment to a new UI (one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it).
- mistercow 14y ago
  >(one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it). You don't have to use Unity. I see Unity as a potential innovation driver but something I probably won't use for a long time. You will have to switch to an unfamiliar UI, but you get to decide which one it will be. And if you use Gnome or KDE, you will have a ton of control to make the UI bend to your will (assuming you don't mind banging your head against it for a few hours to get it configured just right).
  - untog 14y ago
    Sure. But when you start factoring in switching your OS UI after installing it... well, Windows 8 doesn't look so "painful" to the average consumer.
    - slurgfest 14y ago
      Why would the average consumer care? It is old school diehards who are angry about Gnome 2, not new consumers who are slightly more likely to switch in the light of Windows 8 upheaval.
- gizmo686 14y ago
  Users who upgraded ubuntu versions were able to simply select gnome from a drop down menu at the login screen. People who installed 11.04+ (I think) had to install gnome after the main installation. Changing the default is the only way you can get rapid improvement in a market. Making it easy to switch back satisfies those who are significantly upset with the change. It is the best compromise I have seen between progress and supporting legacy users. Also, unity only changed the desktop. The apps you run were the same. Metro has a different UI paradigm for the apps themselves.

thechut 14y ago

I'm a little confused. I don't see a change log. I also don't see an easy way to upgrade from 12.04 which is what I currently run. Do I need to do a full reinstall? Am I missing something? (probably)

spindritf 14y ago
> I don't see a change log. That's not a change log but new features are listed here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new > I also don't see an easy way to upgrade from 12.04 which is what I currently run. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade I never had any problems with it but some people prefer a clean install.
aes256 14y ago
It wasn't showing up in update manager for me on 12.04 LTS. Fire up Terminal and run 'update-manager -d' and it should show up.
- atopuzov 14y ago
  By default it only notifies about Long Term Support (LTS) releases, go to preferences and set it to "every release".
- thechut 14y ago
  This worked for me. Thanks!
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wpietri 14y ago

Say, has somebody come up with a clever way for me to try this and then revert if I'd rather stick with 12.04 LTS? Besides, of course, backing up and restoring everything?

loungin 14y ago
Why not use a virtual machine? Then you can be worry free about your current setup.
- wpietri 14y ago
  My major issue with Ubuntu upgrades are hardware related, and another set are issues that only show up after a few days of use. So I'd rather try it for a week and then roll back if it's a net negative.
JulianMorrison 14y ago
Yes, a live CD / live USB stick.
loevborg 14y ago
Well, what you can do is boot from a live usb stick, mount your drive, move /* to /old/ and install afresh. If everything works as desired, you can move back your /home/user directory or selectively get your home directory back. If you don't like it, move everything back. Then you only need to restore grub, which should be easily doable using a chroot from the live media.
- wpietri 14y ago
  Thanks! Alas, that means I have to deal with a fresh install. Which I may do, but it's not the straightforward things I was hoping for. What I'm really looking for is the sort of upgrade/rollback process I'm used to creating for my production apps. One-button upgrade, one-button rollback. Looks like Ubuntu isn't there yet. I suppose the easy thing is just to get another disk, clone my existing setup, and do the upgrade. If I don't like it, I'll just swap in the backup disk.
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husam212 14y ago

This is childish, I think Canonical should not go with this way of advertising ... like Samsung and others.

stuartcoope 14y ago

Avoid the pain of Windows 8. Stay classy Canonical...

robert_nsu 14y ago

Maybe it's just me, but I spent less time getting acclimated to Windows 8 than I did with Unity. I find nothing difficult about it at all.

brandoncapecci 14y ago
Agreed. If it was a substantial issue, Ubuntu would have much better market penetration.

modarts 14y ago

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

nacs 14y ago
This is a cliched reply that would be appropriate a few years ago. Nowadays, I've found that I can install Ubuntu on more laptops and desktops and get better driver support from the initial install than even Windows can in many cases. With Windows, I've had to scrounge around for drivers and pray they're compatible with Windows 8 Professional 64bit Premium Plus Bonus edition on the same laptops.
- thebigshane 14y ago
  My list so far: No official Google Drive[0] support (but we do have Dropbox) No official Garmin Connect[1] support All in all, that's not bad. All monitors, ebook readers, mp3 players, cameras, printers, wifi, mice/keyboards have all been perfect out of the box for years (for me). [0]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161273/is-there-a-google-drive-client-available http://askubuntu.com/questions/161273/is-there-a-google-driv... [1]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505/how-can-i-use-my-garmin-device-in-ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/505/how-can-i-use-my-garmin-d...
  - naglfar 14y ago
    The only thing that really annoys me is that the Google Nexus 7 (and apparently all other Android 4 devices) use MTP now, which is still kind of a hassle to get working reliably. Apart from that I totally have to agree with you - even the proprietary graphic card drivers haven't given me any real problems for the last 2 years.
  - munchor 14y ago
    There is a Google Drive client (just unofficial). And that is completely unrelated to Ubuntu and GNU/Linux. That is Google's fault for not caring about GNU/Linux.

anuaitt 14y ago

this is totally childish, i have been using ubuntu for last 6 years and never have had complains with their working. they used to do splendid job by delivering the cds at door steps in shipit program. but this step of defaming competitors is never gonna help, it is going to become a part of criticism.

slurgfest 14y ago
I don't know if you noticed, but Ubuntu hasn't been picking up new users at a dramatic rate. And it's easily in the top 3 Linux distros. What do they actually have to lose? If I use Ubuntu on my laptop, and Ubuntu says something about Windows 8, am I going to stop using Ubuntu because I am so offended on Microsoft's behalf? Not really.
- anuaitt 14y ago
  I completely agree with you. I am not going to stop using ubuntu, but what i am saying is this is not an act of maturity. we love Linux for the Base context of being free and open source which is not going to change. The Reason for not getting picked up i assume is the constant UI changes Ubuntu is doing. well i did't actually like the UNITY Desktop. What if they could have just maintained a sleek UI and added more and more nice features. I hope that would have helped.

krisneuharth 14y ago

Just upgraded. If anyone is running the open AMD/ATI drivers and the UI becomes slow and unusable you should try to install the proprietary drivers. It made the UI snappy again because everything seems to require hardware acceleration now.

rotskoff 14y ago

Hopefully 13.04 has a new color palette.

meaty 14y ago
i.e. not the current "shit and vomit" one?

trotsky 14y ago

I guess it's official that mark is out of money?

mkhattab 14y ago

I guess I missed the "old" slogan on the homepage. It's now "Your wish is our command."

jebblue 14y ago

Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc. But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a power user although it feels weird compared to the excellent Gnome 2. Until Unity, Ubuntu was unstoppable IMHO. It's still good though.

fusiongyro 14y ago
After about 8 years of screwing around with my window manager and whatnot I switched to Mac OS X and did not find that the lack of configurability was a significant detriment to my productivity. In fact, in some ways it was beneficial, because I spent fewer days trying out new window managers and configuring them. Going back to Linux with Ubuntu, I rather like Unity because it gets me past the hump of all that nonsense and is perfectly adequate at multiplexing browsers and terminals for me. Back when Metacity was young, you could hardly move without hearing screams from people about how lame a window manager it was, especially compared to things like Sawfish and FVWM. It's really quite surreal to hear people decrying the lack of a built-in power user stuff like Metacity today. Of course we're talking about the whole desktop environment, but still, I hear what I hear. In any event, if you're a power user, you're going to screw with these defaults until you're blue in the face and I see no evidence that Ubuntu is going to take away that luxury. But I'm back from OS X now because I feel that coming with Apple.
- jebblue 14y ago
  My reason for never trying Apple products (I hope I don't get buried in down votes) but end of the day ... here goes, I just thought they (Steve not Steve) had a smug attitude. That bothered me. I guess it still does. I don't want to hold that long term, but the more I read ... never mind this is about a good Linux distribution, Ubuntu (holding a candle out for Unity to improve ... a lot). (hint forget mobile, let Android and iOS have that). We desktop users are not feeling the love now, new users sure, the rest, nah.

baldfat 14y ago

Unity is the new Mono. Unity is fine and I think better then Gnome Shell but I use Awesome WM since I am too leet.

CoryG89 14y ago

Great, now I just have to rip Unity out and shove Gnome 3 in there with a shoehorn.

slurgfest 14y ago
'apt-get install gnome shell' isn't difficult to type. Then choose the gnome session - Unity isn't affecting you at this point.
- ktf 14y ago
  I thought that too, until I tried binding Super+T to launch a terminal in Gnome Shell. Turns out Unity eats all Super keypresses even when it's not running. One workaround is to install CCSM, rebind the dash key to some key combo you'll never actually need, then set your key bindings normally. ...or install Xubuntu.
n8n 14y ago
Have you tried the GNOME Remix installer? I haven't given it a try, but my understanding is that it comes without Unity. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10

kentosi 14y ago

Is anyone else running this in VirtualBox on a MacBook Pro Retina? Is it incredibly laggy for you too?

iamtherockstar 14y ago

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" Before you get all bothered by this, go and read Bug #1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

lsiebert 14y ago

I'm happy. This means Mint 14 is coming soon :).

Garbage 14y ago

For what's new, visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new

dayjah 14y ago

I've been running this for a few days now on my macbook air (mid-2012, aka 5,2) and it is flawless. 12.04 needed to have ACPI switched off, I guess at some point the fixed that but I didn't think to check until I decided to take the plunge with beta2 and the clean install booted absolutely perfectly! #Ubuntu #Winning

ekianjo 14y ago

Just did the upgrade from 12.04 and most things worked fine, but I lost the sound output in the way. After a quick search on the ubuntu forums, I found the way to restore it, and voila, sound is back and everything is working like before. A little strange, though. If I expect any issue, it's probably not about the sound...

zoowar 14y ago

Let the Amazon stalking begin!

mrinterweb 14y ago

This is the first release of Ubuntu that I am not excited to upgrade to. The whole Amazon web search is bothersome to me. I can understand Canonical wanting to make money, but getting in bed with Amazon is kind of weird. Also I did not see any features in 12.10 that I was excited about. Disappointing release.

pissed 14y ago

Updated Ubuntu to 12.10. It booted up with grub rescue. What a pile of shit. Avoid the pain of Ubuntu. Never mind complaining about Windows until Ubuntu gets its own act straight. Can't waste any more time with this crap.

pissed 14y ago

major grub boot problem with ubuntu 12.10 dumped the cd in garbage. Back to windows 7. Much better operating system.