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Hands-On Introduction to Unikernels
- traxler 9mo agoI've found the idea of unikernels interesting for several years now, is there a tl;dr on why they don't seem to have taken off, like at all? Or is it all happening behind some doors I don't have access to?
- meehai 9mo ago[dead]
- gucci-on-fleek 9mo agoI think that part of it is that relatively few people use bare-metal servers these days, and nested virtualisation isn't universally supported. I also found this technical critique [0] compelling, but I have no idea if any of it is accurate or not. [0]: https://www.tritondatacenter.com/blog/unikernels-are-unfit-for-production https://www.tritondatacenter.com/blog/unikernels-are-unfit-f...
- traxler 9mo agoWhen I first heard about unikernels my hope/thought was that people would go back to using more bare-metal servers for unikernels.
- tuananh 9mo agothere is a workaround for nested virt requirements. you can use PVM patch and para-virtualization. I've seen several startup using that approach to be able to create VM on small/cheap EC2 instances.
- eyberg 9mo agoThe majority of nanos users don't do either of these methods. They simply create the image (in the case of aws that's an ami) and boot it. This is part of what makes them vastly more simple than using normal linux vms or containers as you don't have to manage the "orchestration".
- pjmlp 9mo agoThey kind of did, that is basically how serverless works. Managed runtimes on top of hypervisors.
- deivid 9mo agoThis is really well written, thanks for sharing. I didn't understand the point of using Unikraft though, if you can boot linux in much less than 150ms, with a far less exotic environment
- pjmlp 9mo agoSecurity, it isn't only memory footprint.
- iberator 9mo agoWhich architecture can boot it in 150ms ?!
- binsquare 9mo agoMicrovm's
- jumploops 9mo agoBoot is a misleading term, but you can resume snapshotted VMs in single digit ms (and without unikernels, though they certainly help)
- deivid 9mo agoYou can boot a vm without snapshots in < 10ms, just need a minimal kernel.
- hun3 9mo agoStripping away unused drivers (.config) and other "bloats" can get you surprisingly far.
- iberator 9mo agoBut 150ms? That's boot time for dos or minix maybe (tiny kernels). 1s sure.
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- tuananh 9mo agothe missing piece of unikernel is debuggability & observability - it need to be easy to replicate on dev machine & easy to debug - it needs to integrate well with current obs stack. easy to debug in production. without clear debuggability & observability, i would never put it into production
- imiric 9mo agoThis is a common myth. Debugging unikernels is indeed possible[1][2]. It may not be the type of debugging you're already used to, but then again, unikernels are very different from containers and VMs, so some adjustment is expected. As for observability, why is that the concern of unikernels? That's something your application should do. You're free to hook it up to any observability stack you want. [1]: https://nanovms.com/dev/tutorials/debugging-nanos-unikernels-with-gdb-and-ops https://nanovms.com/dev/tutorials/debugging-nanos-unikernels... [2]: https://unikraft.org/docs/internals/debugging https://unikraft.org/docs/internals/debugging
- godisdad 9mo agoRespectfully, neither of these docs strike me as really sufficient to debug live running systems in the critical path for paying users. The first seems to be related to the inner development loop and local the second is again how to attach gdb to debug something in a controlled environment Crash reporting, telemetry, useful queuing/saturation measures or a Rosetta Stone of “we look at X today in system and app level telemetry, in the <unikernel system> world we look at Y (or don’t need X for reason Z) would be more in the spirit of parity Systems are often somewhat “hands off” in more change control sensitive environments too, these guides presume full access, line of sight connectivity and a expert operator which are three unsafe assumptions in larger production systems IMO
- valyala 9mo agoYou can expose Unikernel application metrics in Prometheus text exposition format at `/metrics` http page and collect them with Prometheus or any other collector, which can scrape Prometheus-compatible targets. Alternatively, you can push metrics from the Unikernel to the centralized database for metrics for further investigation. Both pull-based and push-based metrics' collection is supported by popular client libraries for metrics such as https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/metrics https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/metrics . You can emit logs by the Unikernel app and send them to a centralized database for logs via syslog protocol (or any other protocol) for further analysis. See, for example, how to set up collect ing logs via syslog protocol at VictoriaLogs - https://docs.victoriametrics.com/victorialogs/data-ingestion/syslog/ https://docs.victoriametrics.com/victorialogs/data-ingestion... You can expose various debug endpoints via http at the Unikernel application for debugging assistance. For example, if the application is written in Go, it is recommended exposing endpoints for collecting CPU, memory and goroutines profiles from the running application.
- rantingdemon 9mo agoI would like to follow the tutorial but it mentions a playground. Am I missing something as I cannot find a link or instructions for the playground.
- chloeburbank 9mo agoonce you login with github there's a start button on top left for that
- rantingdemon 9mo agoThanks
- chloeburbank 9mo agocool stuff
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- bregma 9mo agoSo, if I understand correctly, a "unikernel" is what we used to call an "executive" except it is intended to be run as a guest on a virtual machine provided by a full-fledged traditional kernel/userspace OS instead of on bare metal. The article does reintroduce some concepts that were commonplace when I was first learning computers and it gives them some new names. I like that good ideas can still be useful after years of not being the latest fad, and it's great that someone can get new credit for an old idea with just a little bit of marketing spin.
- g-b-r 9mo agoThey can generally be run on bare metal, to my knowledge. I personally don't remember exactly what was meant with "executive".
- simtel20 9mo agoI've only ever heard of that as the type of a DOS/Windows .exe binary.
- g-b-r 9mo agothat's an executable...
- simtel20 8mo agoThere were publications in the 80s that used that term iirc, and I do recall the term for how slightly incongruous it was, and how it didn't come with an explanation. In looking into ut some more, it looks like the executive was a term from mainframes for the layer of the kernel that enforced isolation, but I must have read the term being loosely used in pc magazines. Or maybe mockingly?
- fulafel 9mo agoAmiga: https://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/Introduction_to_Exec https://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/Introduction_to_Exec > The Multitasking Executive, better known as Exec, is the heart of the Amiga's operating system. > All other systems in the Amiga rely on it to control multitasking, to manage the message-based interprocess communications system, and to arbitrate access to system resources.
- hun3 9mo agoHypervisor as a microkernel
- pjmlp 9mo agoYes, there is a certain irony when you look at the cloud workloads with a type 1 hypervisor managing either serverless or container workloads.