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A Canadian satire site has the headline "Canada chooses lawful evil over chaotic evil": * https://thebeaverton.com/2026/01/canada-chooses-lawful-evil-over-chao

A Canadian satire site has the headline "Canada chooses lawful evil over chaotic evil": * https://thebeaverton.com/2026/01/canada-chooses-lawful-evil-over-chaotic-evil/ https://thebeaverton.com/2026/01/canada-chooses-lawful-evil-... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragon... Edit: A comment in /r/canada: > TBF I would much rather work for Lex Luthor than The Joker if I had to choose one.

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pixl97 9mo ago
That first link is a back button capturer.
- slumberlust 9mo ago
  I didn't have any issues. Running FF w/ UblockO and Privacy Badger.
choppypoofart 9mo ago
As an American I'm rooting for everyone else these days. Good for Canada. I hope the EU builds stronger trade with China too and America gets left in the cold to whither and die. Trump, Vance, Miller, Noem, Musk, Bezos all of them just forgotten about and completely irrelevant to the rest of the world.
- klipklop 9mo ago
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  - mywittyname 9mo ago
    Politics gets people talking.
  - choppypoofart 9mo ago
    Sorry 100% human. Do you think maybe I created the account so that I could post it and not feel afraid of repercussions, because I live in a fascist country run by thugs?
    - mathgradthrow 9mo ago
      You are literally comparing the US to China on censorship in this sentence.
- insane_dreamer 9mo ago
  I feel the same way about the US, but China is even worse. It’s basically what the US is becoming but still further down the road of authoritarianism. So I’m not rooting for it. EU, Canada, Japan etc are a better allay this point.
  - joquarky 9mo ago
    The US just has better propaganda.
    - AnimalMuppet 9mo ago
      When the Chinese press criticizes Xi in the way that the non-Fox press criticize Trump, I'll start listening to such claims. Until then, you're showing either massive ignorance or reckless disregard of the truth.
      - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
        Now that Bari Weiss is running CBS there’s at least one fewer network to worry about. But you’re right, there’s still plenty of Trump criticism to be found, for now.
  - gdilla 9mo ago
    life isn't easy in china, necessarily, but there's a better, accessible path to become middle class. not in the US. the US is so stratified with wealth inequality and systems to keep people down. People in HN are oblivious with thier $1MM TC.
    - seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
      Ok, so you are a poor peasant (erm farmer) in rural China with a 9th grade education (the compulsory minimum in China) in say a poor province like Jiangxi, there are around 500 million of you, what’s your easier path to the middle class than if you were in the USA?
- mathgradthrow 9mo ago
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  - NicoJuicy 9mo ago
    As a Belgian, I don't think there is much point in creating a fake account. We know the US is different than Trump. But yet, here we are, a wannabe dictator is in control now of the US. We realized that we have way too much dependencies on the US in a very short time. It's not going to be easy to unbuckle a >70 year old partnership, but not being prepared if he succeeds will be worse, just ask your Canadian friends. This guy is willing to sacrifice the entire US for quick personal gain. Luckily it seems he still needs the votes end of November. Good luck
    - mathgradthrow 9mo ago
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    - ku-man 9mo ago
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  - joquarky 9mo ago
    Please stop. This is not reddit.
    - bdelmas 9mo ago
      I have been on HN for a long time and unfortunately since at least the last 5 years there are some Reddit culture that have been creeping into it…
      - eric_cc 9mo ago
        I’ve been saying this for years. The radical far left political spectrum from Reddit infected HN.
- freedomben 9mo ago
  You realize there are a lot people (who aren't in the administration and didn't vote for them) that would be significantly hurt if all that happened. These people are your family, your friends, your neighbors, your coworkers. You hate Trump so much that you'd prefer to see all those people suffer than have him succeed? I strongly disagree with most of what Trump says and does, but I can't root for an outcome that would make my kids' quality of life be much worse. I'd much rather see us right the ship.
  - choppypoofart 9mo ago
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  - estimator7292 9mo ago
    We're already at the point where the president's secret police are throwing flashbang grenades into cars full of kids. You have already lost. We are far past the problems you're worried about. The worst case is already here. It's happening now.
echelon 9mo ago
I'm really into geopolitics, and it's clear to see what's happening from the US side. America still wants to play hegemon, but since Bretton Woods 2.0 didn't happen, they're going to lock up the entire North and South American continents from Chinese and Russian influence. And it'll be fierce. The next salvo is going to be US statehood for Alberta and Saskatchewan. There is already partisan support within those provinces, and Trump is going to offer money to push it. If that happens, Yukon and the Northwest Territories are next. (Side note: these are Republican voters, which gives Republicans the Senate for years to come.) Venezuela wasn't about drugs or oil, it was about China. And it wasn't Trump's thing, it was the career DoD folks. (Venezuela is within medium-range missile range of 50% of US oil refineries. The US doesn't want foreign basing there or in Cuba.) The DoD is pushing Greenland too as it'll be a centerpiece of Arctic shipping in the coming century. And Cuba, as it's both extremely close to CONUS and a choke point for the gulf. You can see the plays happening if you watch. The Chinese-owned Panama Ports Company being forcibly sold to BlackRock, the increasing trade and diplomatic ties between China and South American countries, etc. My bet is that a Democratic president would continue this policy, just with less rudeness and more "cooperation". The Department of Defense -- apolitically -- doesn't want China to have the US within arms reach. Trump is going to try to speed run it, though. --- edit: downvotes rate limit my account, so I can't respond. > I would love to hear how you think Trump will manage to get Alberta and Saskatchewan to become US states within this century. It's going to nucleate from within Alberta and Saskatchewan. https://globalnews.ca/news/11615147/alberta-separatists-praise-turnout-petition-signing/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11615147/alberta-separatists-prai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism This has been spoken about for years, but look at how much the conversation is starting to come back up recently: https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/alberta-primetime/article/alberta-separation-question-offensive-and-alarming-native-studies-professor/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/alberta-primetime/article/al... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-separation-poll-9.7039022 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-separation-po... I see a dozen other articles about this published in the last week. If Trump adds fuel to this fire, it's going to take over the headlines. The DoD is definitely whispering it into his ear. Also, the downvotes are silly. I'm not advocating for this. I'm just pointing out what the US is doing and why it thinks this way.
pjc50 9mo ago
That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.
- anvuong 9mo ago
  Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?
  - BikiniPrince 9mo ago
    Their train industry was built on ripping off companies they forced into poor agreements. They have wrecked industries with technological theft. I suppose it’s lawful from the CCP perspective.
    - gmerc 9mo ago
      Yes yes, poor western executives forced to sell their IP portfolio and workforce. Those evil chinese. Lol
    - derf_ 9mo ago
      I do not want to claim that two wrongs make a right, but it is funny that you mention "being forced into poor agreements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaties
    - BigTTYGothGF 9mo ago
      > forced into poor agreements Couldn't the poor companies have simply chosen to not do business in China?
  - nicoburns 9mo ago
    They play things according to their own rules, but at least they have some.
ErrorNoBrain 9mo ago
Compared to the current US... china is currently a grade A student who sometimes bullies their the neighbors younger child
Herring 9mo ago
China hasn't dropped bombs on foreign soil in over 40 years. The US killed a million Iraqis not that long ago. I think this "China evil" framing is a smear, like how Republican conspiracy theories used to say Democrats are pedophiles. Guess where the real pedophiles were hanging out the whole time.
- like_any_other 9mo ago
  > The US killed a million Iraqis not that long ago. There are an estimated 1 million Uyghurs in concentration camps currently [1], but you are correct - neither that, nor the invasion of Tibet, nor whatever process they used to turn a diverse part of a continent into a Han ethnostate [2], or block the NYTimes app from their phones, involved dropping bombs on foreign soil. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin... [2] Spare me the "56 different ethnic groups!" - 91% is Han, the next highest is 1.4%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China
  - nullocator 9mo ago
    There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states, many engaging in what is effectively modern slavery. I don't think we can effectively weigh human rights atrocities between nations, but the U.S. is certainly not "better" than China in many respects.
    - like_any_other 9mo ago
      I was not "weighing between nations", I was responding to: "I think this "China evil" framing is a smear" > There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states In 2019, whites+hispanics committed 0.92x as many homicides as blacks [1], but their 2021 incarceration numbers were 1.72x that of blacks (0.75x for non-hispanic whites alone) [2]. Using homicide to estimate criminality, because it is immune to over-policing. So, per crime committed, blacks are less, not more, likely to be jailed. But it sure looks pretty damning if you ignore behavior, and don't compare to others! Now maybe you still think the US incarcerates too many people in general, regardless of race. Well, then I welcome you to calculate the ratio of the incarceration and homicide rate, and compare the US one to that of some other countries. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...

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pixl97 9mo ago

That first link is a back button capturer.

slumberlust 9mo ago
I didn't have any issues. Running FF w/ UblockO and Privacy Badger.

choppypoofart 9mo ago

As an American I'm rooting for everyone else these days. Good for Canada. I hope the EU builds stronger trade with China too and America gets left in the cold to whither and die. Trump, Vance, Miller, Noem, Musk, Bezos all of them just forgotten about and completely irrelevant to the rest of the world.

klipklop 9mo ago
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- mywittyname 9mo ago
  Politics gets people talking.
- choppypoofart 9mo ago
  Sorry 100% human. Do you think maybe I created the account so that I could post it and not feel afraid of repercussions, because I live in a fascist country run by thugs?
  - mathgradthrow 9mo ago
    You are literally comparing the US to China on censorship in this sentence.
insane_dreamer 9mo ago
I feel the same way about the US, but China is even worse. It’s basically what the US is becoming but still further down the road of authoritarianism. So I’m not rooting for it. EU, Canada, Japan etc are a better allay this point.
- joquarky 9mo ago
  The US just has better propaganda.
  - AnimalMuppet 9mo ago
    When the Chinese press criticizes Xi in the way that the non-Fox press criticize Trump, I'll start listening to such claims. Until then, you're showing either massive ignorance or reckless disregard of the truth.
    - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
      Now that Bari Weiss is running CBS there’s at least one fewer network to worry about. But you’re right, there’s still plenty of Trump criticism to be found, for now.
- gdilla 9mo ago
  life isn't easy in china, necessarily, but there's a better, accessible path to become middle class. not in the US. the US is so stratified with wealth inequality and systems to keep people down. People in HN are oblivious with thier $1MM TC.
  - seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
    Ok, so you are a poor peasant (erm farmer) in rural China with a 9th grade education (the compulsory minimum in China) in say a poor province like Jiangxi, there are around 500 million of you, what’s your easier path to the middle class than if you were in the USA?
mathgradthrow 9mo ago
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- NicoJuicy 9mo ago
  As a Belgian, I don't think there is much point in creating a fake account. We know the US is different than Trump. But yet, here we are, a wannabe dictator is in control now of the US. We realized that we have way too much dependencies on the US in a very short time. It's not going to be easy to unbuckle a >70 year old partnership, but not being prepared if he succeeds will be worse, just ask your Canadian friends. This guy is willing to sacrifice the entire US for quick personal gain. Luckily it seems he still needs the votes end of November. Good luck
  - mathgradthrow 9mo ago
    [flagged]
  - ku-man 9mo ago
    [dead]
- joquarky 9mo ago
  Please stop. This is not reddit.
  - bdelmas 9mo ago
    I have been on HN for a long time and unfortunately since at least the last 5 years there are some Reddit culture that have been creeping into it…
    - eric_cc 9mo ago
      I’ve been saying this for years. The radical far left political spectrum from Reddit infected HN.
freedomben 9mo ago
You realize there are a lot people (who aren't in the administration and didn't vote for them) that would be significantly hurt if all that happened. These people are your family, your friends, your neighbors, your coworkers. You hate Trump so much that you'd prefer to see all those people suffer than have him succeed? I strongly disagree with most of what Trump says and does, but I can't root for an outcome that would make my kids' quality of life be much worse. I'd much rather see us right the ship.
- choppypoofart 9mo ago
  [dead]
- estimator7292 9mo ago
  We're already at the point where the president's secret police are throwing flashbang grenades into cars full of kids. You have already lost. We are far past the problems you're worried about. The worst case is already here. It's happening now.

echelon 9mo ago

I'm really into geopolitics, and it's clear to see what's happening from the US side. America still wants to play hegemon, but since Bretton Woods 2.0 didn't happen, they're going to lock up the entire North and South American continents from Chinese and Russian influence. And it'll be fierce. The next salvo is going to be US statehood for Alberta and Saskatchewan. There is already partisan support within those provinces, and Trump is going to offer money to push it. If that happens, Yukon and the Northwest Territories are next. (Side note: these are Republican voters, which gives Republicans the Senate for years to come.) Venezuela wasn't about drugs or oil, it was about China. And it wasn't Trump's thing, it was the career DoD folks. (Venezuela is within medium-range missile range of 50% of US oil refineries. The US doesn't want foreign basing there or in Cuba.) The DoD is pushing Greenland too as it'll be a centerpiece of Arctic shipping in the coming century. And Cuba, as it's both extremely close to CONUS and a choke point for the gulf. You can see the plays happening if you watch. The Chinese-owned Panama Ports Company being forcibly sold to BlackRock, the increasing trade and diplomatic ties between China and South American countries, etc. My bet is that a Democratic president would continue this policy, just with less rudeness and more "cooperation". The Department of Defense -- apolitically -- doesn't want China to have the US within arms reach. Trump is going to try to speed run it, though. --- edit: downvotes rate limit my account, so I can't respond. > I would love to hear how you think Trump will manage to get Alberta and Saskatchewan to become US states within this century. It's going to nucleate from within Alberta and Saskatchewan. https://globalnews.ca/news/11615147/alberta-separatists-praise-turnout-petition-signing/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11615147/alberta-separatists-prai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism This has been spoken about for years, but look at how much the conversation is starting to come back up recently: https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/alberta-primetime/article/alberta-separation-question-offensive-and-alarming-native-studies-professor/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/alberta-primetime/article/al... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-separation-poll-9.7039022 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-separation-po... I see a dozen other articles about this published in the last week. If Trump adds fuel to this fire, it's going to take over the headlines. The DoD is definitely whispering it into his ear. Also, the downvotes are silly. I'm not advocating for this. I'm just pointing out what the US is doing and why it thinks this way.

pjc50 9mo ago

That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.

anvuong 9mo ago
Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?
- BikiniPrince 9mo ago
  Their train industry was built on ripping off companies they forced into poor agreements. They have wrecked industries with technological theft. I suppose it’s lawful from the CCP perspective.
  - gmerc 9mo ago
    Yes yes, poor western executives forced to sell their IP portfolio and workforce. Those evil chinese. Lol
  - derf_ 9mo ago
    I do not want to claim that two wrongs make a right, but it is funny that you mention "being forced into poor agreements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaties
  - BigTTYGothGF 9mo ago
    > forced into poor agreements Couldn't the poor companies have simply chosen to not do business in China?
- nicoburns 9mo ago
  They play things according to their own rules, but at least they have some.

ErrorNoBrain 9mo ago

Compared to the current US... china is currently a grade A student who sometimes bullies their the neighbors younger child

Herring 9mo ago

China hasn't dropped bombs on foreign soil in over 40 years. The US killed a million Iraqis not that long ago. I think this "China evil" framing is a smear, like how Republican conspiracy theories used to say Democrats are pedophiles. Guess where the real pedophiles were hanging out the whole time.

like_any_other 9mo ago
> The US killed a million Iraqis not that long ago. There are an estimated 1 million Uyghurs in concentration camps currently [1], but you are correct - neither that, nor the invasion of Tibet, nor whatever process they used to turn a diverse part of a continent into a Han ethnostate [2], or block the NYTimes app from their phones, involved dropping bombs on foreign soil. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin... [2] Spare me the "56 different ethnic groups!" - 91% is Han, the next highest is 1.4%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China
- nullocator 9mo ago
  There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states, many engaging in what is effectively modern slavery. I don't think we can effectively weigh human rights atrocities between nations, but the U.S. is certainly not "better" than China in many respects.
  - like_any_other 9mo ago
    I was not "weighing between nations", I was responding to: "I think this "China evil" framing is a smear" > There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states In 2019, whites+hispanics committed 0.92x as many homicides as blacks [1], but their 2021 incarceration numbers were 1.72x that of blacks (0.75x for non-hispanic whites alone) [2]. Using homicide to estimate criminality, because it is immune to over-policing. So, per crime committed, blacks are less, not more, likely to be jailed. But it sure looks pretty damning if you ignore behavior, and don't compare to others! Now maybe you still think the US incarcerates too many people in general, regardless of race. Well, then I welcome you to calculate the ratio of the incarceration and homicide rate, and compare the US one to that of some other countries. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...