6 ms·
Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok tar
by unstyledcontent 9mo ago
Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. But eventually these same tools will be used against us.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- jordanpg 9mo agoAlong the same lines, anyone who thinks this is just about immigration should ask themselves what all these tens of thousands of ICE agents are going to do when all the immigrants are finally deported. Are they just going to go home and go back to their old jobs? Or do you think the Administration is going to find something else for them to do.
- Aurornis 9mo agoDeportations aren’t all that high. The raids are theater. Thinking that they’re going to deport all the immigrants isn’t realistic or supported by the numbers. Immigration control is a constant ongoing operation in every country. This administration is just making a big show out of it for political points.
- IncreasePosts 9mo agoI don't think it is just political points. Illegal Mexican border crossings crashed on the run up to Trump taking presidency. Signaling you'll get captured and deported wherever you are, I'm sure if keeping a lot of people who would be illegal immigrants away.
- zxcvasd 9mo ago[dead]
- jordanpg 9mo agoMy point still stands. The country will obviously not be permanently swarming with ICE agents violently grabbing immigrants off the street. There is going to be mission creep. If this isn't obvious then I don't know what to else I can say to convince you. Immigration is clearly just a pretext to establishing a national police force. Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon.
- sgc 9mo agoIt looked like your jeans might be knock-offs. Customs violation. Time to flashbang your kids.
- drstewart 9mo ago>Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon. And when it doesn't, will you remember the wild accusations you made or off making others with no accountability?
- sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo agoHitler's regime didn't start out making death camps for Jews. The initial plan was to deport them, with camps for holding and processing. That was unrealistic given the volume of people to process, which led to the detention and work camps converting to death camps. This is relevant to mention because the number of people in ICE detention right now is spiking: https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/detention.html https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/detention.htm... Just saying, similar outcomes could occur here. It's happened before. Their goals being unrealistic doesn't mean they'll stop, and may be part of their justification for doing even worse things than they're already doing.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- actionfromafar 9mo agoThey might "look for immigrants" near polling stations in November? Would be very bad if "immigrants" (i.e. not wearing a fair face with a matching MAGA hat) could vote, amirite?
- jalapenoh 9mo ago[flagged]
- convolvatron 9mo ago47 million voters have been run through the citizenship database, and 10,000 were flagged for investigation. which is 0.02% even if all those turn out to be noncitizens. you're just repeating empty assertions without evidence
- jalapenoh 9mo ago[flagged]
- sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo ago[flagged]
- FartinMowler 9mo agoThey could monitor the midterm elections /s
- 10xDev 9mo agoPalestine was the training ground, now it is being deployed back at home. Turns out it is a small world and you shouldn't have selective empathy. "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me"
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- the__alchemist 9mo agoI have a hunch most people recognize this, but many are ok with it. I have hope (But not confidence) people will see this in the upcoming US elections and more broadly. This is transparent authoritarian behavior. Edit: Challenge: If you downvoted the parent post here (It's currently grey), I would love to hear why you think this doesn't match the pattern. Are you living in the US? I in general am struggling to understand my fellow US citizens, given the history of our nation.
- smt88 9mo agoI expect masked ICE agents to be deployed to polls in purple and blue states to "prevent non-citizens from voting" (i.e. to scare minorities away from polls)
- ecshafer 9mo agoBet. Lets see if we can get this up on polymarket, bet on it.
- staplers 9mo agoYou already lost your own bet. "A pair of armed and masked men in tactical gear stood guard at ballot drop boxes in Mesa, Ariz., on Oct. 21 as people began early voting for the 2022 midterm elections." They might be "off-duty" but this is during Biden's admin. They're immensely more emboldened now and local LE will absolutely not enforce any laws restricting this. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-armed-militia-presence-at-some-polls.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-ar...
- ecshafer 9mo agoSo the goal post moved from ICE or Federal agents being stationed at polling stations to any individual at all?
- 8mo ago
- jawilson2 9mo ago> Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations No, we're not.
- hydrogen7800 9mo agoI think the GP means the collective "we" is OK with it, evidenced simply by the fact that it is happening.
- drcongo 9mo agoYep, and from the outside, the rest of the world is watching you all just let it happen.
- carefulfungi 9mo agoHow can you watch the protest and organization in MN and conclude people are "just letting it happen". Quite the opposite.
- drcongo 9mo agoSorry, bad wording. I was using the "you all" in the same context as the parent's "collective we". Yes, there's tens of thousands out in the streets protesting, but also yes there's tens of millions who aren't.
- rootusrootus 8mo agoI think it's millions, not tens of thousands protesting. I hate that the online world is so polluted with America Bad that we cannot even have a good discussion. There is literally nothing American citizens could be doing right now that would meet with approval from outsiders.
- drcongo 8mo agoHello. I posted the above comments before I'd read asa400's amazing insight right at the top of this discussion, that post has given me the perspective I was clearly missing when I posted these. I was never coming from an "America Bad" position, but I was definitely failing to appreciate the nuances of protest in such a heavily armed country.
- mosura 9mo agoThen argue for democratically changing the law to make them unambiguously legal. Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption.
- bonsai_spool 9mo ago> Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. That's what the OP is saying.
- mosura 9mo ago[flagged]
- lokar 9mo agoThey are engaged is massive violations of US law
- biophysboy 9mo agoDetaining citizens is not immigration law.
- mrtesthah 9mo agoICE is blatantly violating peoples’ rights. Read any comment on this page.
- fzeroracer 9mo agoYou can watch any of these videos I posted a few days ago [1] and tell me why. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- GordonS 9mo agoBecause that's plainly not what they are always doing. And the aggressive, racist unprofessional, downright dangerous way ICE are going about things is simply shocking.
- jalapenoh 9mo ago[flagged]
- matthewkayin 9mo ago> Everyone is ok targeting the immigrant populations To echo another commentor, we're not. And even if we were, this is not how it should be done. Enforcing the laws is one thing, but we have to have due process. Without due process, we have no rights.
- jasonjayr 9mo agoDue process for EVERY person in the legal territory regardless of who or what they are. Otherwise it's way to easy to say, "they're the other, and have no rights", and they are already using this line.
- daveguy 9mo agoWhich is absolutely unconstitutional. The constitution says the 4th amendment protects all people, not just citizens. It's been upheld many times by the supreme court. This administration is knowingly and willingly trampling the constitution. The midterm elections can't come soon enough. And in the meantime we all need to get in the streets. Anyone can manipulate social media. But you can't manipulate the narrative when there is an overwhelming number of brave people in the streets clearly and peacefully protesting.
- BuckRogers 9mo ago[flagged]
- andruby 9mo agoAnd what happens when they deport you, "BuckRogers"? Proving whether or not someone is supposed to be here requires due process. If they pick up the wrong person (because people have the same name, or look alike, or any reason) and deport them, then what? Are you going to accept that you or your family or friends get deported? We shouldn't accept any false positives. And that's what due process is.
- BuckRogers 8mo ago
- gadders 9mo agoCitation needed.
- ks2048 9mo agoMusk tweeted yesterday that speaking hate against the country should be considered treason and lead to being locked-up. It's not hard to shift "anti-American" speech to mean "anti-ICE", anti-current-administration, etc.
- cies 9mo agoHe should be allowed to say that. But it should not be enforced, or the constitution became toilet paper. I think we are arriving at the latter.
- andruby 9mo agoMr "free speech" Musk (/s) If it is this tweet you are referring to, it's about _teaching_ hate, which is only a slight nuance and still a terrible point to make for a self-labeled "free speech absolutist" > Teaching people to hate America fundamentally destroys patriotism and the desire to defend our country. > Such teachings should be viewed as treason and those who do it imprisoned. https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2011519593492402617#m https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2011519593492402617#m
- ceejayoz 9mo ago> it's about _teaching_ hate Which is free speech, unfortunately. And a very difficult thing to define, and very clearly not the sort of thing that'd be enforced against, say, the current President no matter how clear the violation.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- superkuh 8mo ago>the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota If you think this is only immigration enforcement you haven't been paying attention. That was ostensibly what Trump campaigned on. That is not what is happening in Minnesota and other previously safe places. What is happening is a massive terror campaign against all US citizens who don't happen to be the right color. And increasing, against everyone.
- kilroy123 8mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came