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It continues to be clear that the administration opposes legal immigration (except perhaps in narrow cases, like white South Africans).

lovich 9mo ago
That was obvious ever since they claimed asylum seekers that had followed the legal asylum process were “illegal immigrants” and society and the media just went along with that phrasing despite it being factually incorrect.
- nomel 9mo ago
  I wish all comments in political threads required a reference for any claims made.
  - lovich 9mo ago
    Well, when they claim that X million illegal immigrants entered the country despite them supposedly not being in the system and thus not countable, and the numbers line up with asylum seeker numbers, and they do things like cancel asylum seekers status[1] or releases criminals to go after asylum seekers[2] its hard not to come to that inference. [1]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ice-asylum-cases-deportations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ice-asylum-cases-deportat... [2]https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-released-criminals-so-he-could-jail-asylum-seekers https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-released-criminals-so-he-cou...
  - wasabi991011 9mo ago
    Here's a report on it with many examples: https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Stoking-Fear-and-Peddling-Lies.pdf https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Stok...
decremental 9mo ago
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catigula 9mo ago
That definitely isn't true. Trump has repeatedly been effusive about how important H1B labor is.
- Maxatar 9mo ago
  How so? In September he added a requirement that any future H1B visas from people abroad will require an unprecedented $100,000 payment.
  - ReflectedImage 9mo ago
    Well either $100,000 per person or an large one time direct donation to Trump to be legally exempted from that charge.
    - plagiarist 9mo ago
      I'm looking forward to the Trump brand visa and pardon combo packs.
  - nomel 9mo ago
    I saw that many welcomed this, since it will help stop the visa mills, and push towards importing higher talent, rather than local-offshoring. What's your opinion on these two?
    - SanjayMehta 9mo ago
      It's increasing the offshore-offshoring in the form of GCCs ("Global Capability Centres"). Interestingly, thanks to Covid practices, real estate demand hasn't gone up as the GCCs are just mandating 2-3 days WFH, especially in chip design.
- VierScar 9mo ago
  Is this sarcasm? Not that Trump's word means anything, but Trump has been against it since his first term. Having cancelled it temporarily in that first term, has said that he'll end H1B if he gets reelected, and that US shouldn't have the H1B program. It's only since 2025 when Elon was in his good books and told Republicans to not vote for a bill that Trump woke up that day and decided he'd be pro-H1B.
nitwit005 9mo ago
The Republican party is frequently in a contradictory state with immigration, where they speak loudly against it, but then yield in to business demands for immigrant labor. It's possible Trump is uniquely different there, but he's talked about being sympathetic to farm and hospitality businesses. It's hard to tell. Everything is up to his whims now.
- jmyeet 9mo ago
  That's not contradictory at all. The comment you are replying to quite intentionally said "legal immigration". Republicans love illegal immigration. Why? because it suppresses wages of both documented and undocumented workers. Undocumented workers can be employed below minimum wage. If they get an attitude and start demanding a fairer wage or better working conditions, their employer just calls in an ICE raid to clear them out and then they start with a fresh batch. They pay a token fine and that's that. Several sectors are completely dependent on this arrangement, most notably agriculture and food processing (eg chicken farms) If they actually cared about this, they would seriously punish the employers for employing undocumented workers. they do not. In fact, when that's been tried it's been a disaster (eg [1]) And because the system allows this to happen, it suppresses the wages of documented workers as well. That's the point. The entire system of restricting immigration is designed to increase profits. Nothing more. What's the alternative? Easy. Document them. We've done this before. When there was a shortage of male workers in WW2 (because a lot of men were in the Army), we had the Bracero program [2] for temporary workers. Historically, many such workers came to work then went back to (primarily) Mexico. They only ended up staying permanently when it became too hard to cross the border. As for these latest bans, well we had 3 Muslim bans in Trump 1. The 19 then 39 (and now apparently 75) countries are pretty much jus tprimarily Muslim and "shithole" [3] countries. All of this stems from the desire to turn the United States into a Christian theocracy but only for white people. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigr... [2]: https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/bracero-program https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/bracero-program [3]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-referred-haiti-african-countries-shithole-nations-n836946 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-referred-...
burningChrome 9mo ago
All you had to do was a 10 second google search to find that: The racial and ethnic makeup of legal immigrants who have obtained Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR) status or arrived as new immigrants in the past four years (2022–2025) has been primarily driven by arrivals from Latin America and Asia. Asian: Approximately 27% to 28% of all immigrants. Hispanic/Latino (Ethnicity): Roughly 45% of the total immigrant population identify with Hispanic or Latino ethnic origins. White: About 20% to 21%. Black/African American: Approximately 9%. Multi-racial: About 22% identify as having two or more races. It just amazes me people continue to push these racist narratives that doesn't hold up once you look at the actual data. Its staggering to think we have the unlimited power of the internet and still can't seem to take 10 seconds to confirm or deny something as simple as this? How depressing.
- jtefera 9mo ago
  The patent comment is mentioning on the recent changes by the current administration where reports from last year indicated that there will be a huge reduction in the number of accepted refugees of which the majority will be white south Africans. What does numbers from 2022 to 2024 have to do with that assertion?
  - reactordev 9mo ago
    I think they are just generalizing the narrative around the current administrations stance on immigration by using those numbers to show it’s a completely mixed bag. I find that level of detail succinct enough to allude that the current administration is just being extremely racist and bigoted by singling out colored minorities without lifting a finger for other racial demographics. In which case, relevant.
kevin_thibedeau 9mo ago
Anna Sorokin gets to remain for no good reason so Russian/German felons are cool with the executive too.

lovich 9mo ago

That was obvious ever since they claimed asylum seekers that had followed the legal asylum process were “illegal immigrants” and society and the media just went along with that phrasing despite it being factually incorrect.

nomel 9mo ago
I wish all comments in political threads required a reference for any claims made.
- lovich 9mo ago
  Well, when they claim that X million illegal immigrants entered the country despite them supposedly not being in the system and thus not countable, and the numbers line up with asylum seeker numbers, and they do things like cancel asylum seekers status[1] or releases criminals to go after asylum seekers[2] its hard not to come to that inference. [1]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ice-asylum-cases-deportations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ice-asylum-cases-deportat... [2]https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-released-criminals-so-he-could-jail-asylum-seekers https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-released-criminals-so-he-cou...
- wasabi991011 9mo ago
  Here's a report on it with many examples: https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Stoking-Fear-and-Peddling-Lies.pdf https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Stok...

decremental 9mo ago

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catigula 9mo ago

That definitely isn't true. Trump has repeatedly been effusive about how important H1B labor is.

Maxatar 9mo ago
How so? In September he added a requirement that any future H1B visas from people abroad will require an unprecedented $100,000 payment.
- ReflectedImage 9mo ago
  Well either $100,000 per person or an large one time direct donation to Trump to be legally exempted from that charge.
  - plagiarist 9mo ago
    I'm looking forward to the Trump brand visa and pardon combo packs.
- nomel 9mo ago
  I saw that many welcomed this, since it will help stop the visa mills, and push towards importing higher talent, rather than local-offshoring. What's your opinion on these two?
  - SanjayMehta 9mo ago
    It's increasing the offshore-offshoring in the form of GCCs ("Global Capability Centres"). Interestingly, thanks to Covid practices, real estate demand hasn't gone up as the GCCs are just mandating 2-3 days WFH, especially in chip design.
VierScar 9mo ago
Is this sarcasm? Not that Trump's word means anything, but Trump has been against it since his first term. Having cancelled it temporarily in that first term, has said that he'll end H1B if he gets reelected, and that US shouldn't have the H1B program. It's only since 2025 when Elon was in his good books and told Republicans to not vote for a bill that Trump woke up that day and decided he'd be pro-H1B.

nitwit005 9mo ago

The Republican party is frequently in a contradictory state with immigration, where they speak loudly against it, but then yield in to business demands for immigrant labor. It's possible Trump is uniquely different there, but he's talked about being sympathetic to farm and hospitality businesses. It's hard to tell. Everything is up to his whims now.

jmyeet 9mo ago
That's not contradictory at all. The comment you are replying to quite intentionally said "legal immigration". Republicans love illegal immigration. Why? because it suppresses wages of both documented and undocumented workers. Undocumented workers can be employed below minimum wage. If they get an attitude and start demanding a fairer wage or better working conditions, their employer just calls in an ICE raid to clear them out and then they start with a fresh batch. They pay a token fine and that's that. Several sectors are completely dependent on this arrangement, most notably agriculture and food processing (eg chicken farms) If they actually cared about this, they would seriously punish the employers for employing undocumented workers. they do not. In fact, when that's been tried it's been a disaster (eg [1]) And because the system allows this to happen, it suppresses the wages of documented workers as well. That's the point. The entire system of restricting immigration is designed to increase profits. Nothing more. What's the alternative? Easy. Document them. We've done this before. When there was a shortage of male workers in WW2 (because a lot of men were in the Army), we had the Bracero program [2] for temporary workers. Historically, many such workers came to work then went back to (primarily) Mexico. They only ended up staying permanently when it became too hard to cross the border. As for these latest bans, well we had 3 Muslim bans in Trump 1. The 19 then 39 (and now apparently 75) countries are pretty much jus tprimarily Muslim and "shithole" [3] countries. All of this stems from the desire to turn the United States into a Christian theocracy but only for white people. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigr... [2]: https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/bracero-program https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/bracero-program [3]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-referred-haiti-african-countries-shithole-nations-n836946 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-referred-...

burningChrome 9mo ago

All you had to do was a 10 second google search to find that: The racial and ethnic makeup of legal immigrants who have obtained Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR) status or arrived as new immigrants in the past four years (2022–2025) has been primarily driven by arrivals from Latin America and Asia. Asian: Approximately 27% to 28% of all immigrants. Hispanic/Latino (Ethnicity): Roughly 45% of the total immigrant population identify with Hispanic or Latino ethnic origins. White: About 20% to 21%. Black/African American: Approximately 9%. Multi-racial: About 22% identify as having two or more races. It just amazes me people continue to push these racist narratives that doesn't hold up once you look at the actual data. Its staggering to think we have the unlimited power of the internet and still can't seem to take 10 seconds to confirm or deny something as simple as this? How depressing.

jtefera 9mo ago
The patent comment is mentioning on the recent changes by the current administration where reports from last year indicated that there will be a huge reduction in the number of accepted refugees of which the majority will be white south Africans. What does numbers from 2022 to 2024 have to do with that assertion?
- reactordev 9mo ago
  I think they are just generalizing the narrative around the current administrations stance on immigration by using those numbers to show it’s a completely mixed bag. I find that level of detail succinct enough to allude that the current administration is just being extremely racist and bigoted by singling out colored minorities without lifting a finger for other racial demographics. In which case, relevant.

kevin_thibedeau 9mo ago

Anna Sorokin gets to remain for no good reason so Russian/German felons are cool with the executive too.