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Between this and Minneapolis I guess the water temperature just keeps on being turned up, and us frogs are just chilling out in our warm baths.

by a2tech 9mo ago

FrustratedMonky 9mo ago
That was one of the main plot points in Andor. The rebellion had to raise the temperature faster, more dramatically, in order to wake people up. To make the frogs realize it was hot and jump out. Lonni Jung: "You realize what you've set in motion? People will suffer." Luthen Rael: "That's the plan." Luthen believes that to succeed, they need to anger the Empire and make them come down hard on the citizens, which in turn will fuel the rebellion.
- HumblyTossed 9mo ago
  Woah woah woah! I still haven't watched this. (I know, I know...)
  - eszed 9mo ago
    Watch it. Best TV show I can think of, ever. By that I mean that the writing and acting and production values are top notch; it's entertaining throughout - some of the other greats are not (The Wire falls down here, sometimes; Keislowski's Dekalog, likewise - though its best moments are better than anything else); and Andor nails its cultural moment, by being directly about, well, all of the Important Stuff we're talking about in this thread. Also, it's a tragedy; it's about sacrifice and loss, and the human consequences of following your convictions - regardless of the side you choose. (That last note's a personal taste, but I'd stand by the former points as being reasonably objective.) I sat through it going, "how the hell did they manage to make a work of art out of a Star Wars series?", which even makes it better. You don't have to care about Star Wars AT ALL to appreciate Andor, but if you do, watching Andor -> Rogue One -> Originals back to back makes the earlier stuff better. You'll think I'm over-selling it. Please watch it, then come back and tell me I'm wrong.
    - FrustratedMonky 9mo ago
      "makes the earlier stuff better." This is an amazing feat. if only every prequel could accomplish this.
- ortusdux 9mo ago
  Reminds me of the West Wing: C.J. Cregg: Leo, we need to be investigated by someone who wants to kill us just to watch us die. We need someone perceived by the American people to be irresponsible, untrustworthy, partisan, ambitious, and thirsty for the limelight. Am I crazy, or is this not a job for the U. S. House of Representatives? Leo McGarry: Well, they'll get around to it sooner or later. C.J. Cregg: So let's make it sooner - let's make it now.
- anon84873628 9mo ago
  We have left wing accelerationists in the US too.
  - FrustratedMonky 9mo ago
    Perhaps that is the real problem. The Rebels were 'accelerationists', but the Empire was also wanting it to escalate. They played into each others hands. Both sides wanted escalation, so it is positive feedback loop. When societies get to the point where everyone is escalating, there isn't much to stop it. The cool heads are drowned out.
- FrustratedMonky 9mo ago
  Did people not like Andor? Or the same Russian Bots that downvote any anti-right-wing/brown-shirt sentiment.
barbazoo 9mo ago
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squigz 9mo ago
Why has this analogy been repeated so much lately? Did someone famous use it or something? Edit: just to clarify, I'm not denying it's appropriate; it just seems remarkable to me that it's being used so often lately.
- nutjob2 9mo ago
  Because it's appropriate and descriptive?
  - technothrasher 9mo ago
    We're actually dumber than the frogs. The original 19th century experiment involving frogs that didn't jump out of heated water was using frogs who had had their brains destroyed. The question being asked was whether the escape reaction to hot water was caused by the brain or by something further down in the nervous system. With an intact brain, the frogs would jump out. Without one, they wouldn't. Question answered.
    - backscratches 9mo ago
      Exorbitant education costs and free flow of thought extinguishing media means Americans are the brainless frogs.
      - GrowingSideways 9mo ago
        Maybe that's a strong element, but I think we are simply too addicted to comfort and our way of life. We've been encouraged to "just vote" for so long we've lost all political muscle.
    - r721 9mo ago
      Relevant Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#Experiments_and_analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#Experiments_and_a...
    - wat10000 9mo ago
imzadi 9mo ago
There were over 1000 protests over the weekend. The one I went to in Surprise, AZ had almost 1000 people, in a fairly conservative area with mostly older, white demographics. I think the tide is turning.
- INTPenis 9mo ago
  Serious question from a clueless european here, who should they vote for? To us on the outside, getting filtered news that trickles down, it just seems like there are no candidates. One is 79 and one is 83, where are all the young politicians? Why does the media choose to only emphasize a few of them at the time?
  - xhrpost 9mo ago
    If there's one thing both parties agree with, it's that you can't ever vote for a third party because that's effectively voting for the other major candidate. So the problem of not having more than 2 choices perpetuates indefinitely.
    - dragonwriter 9mo ago
      > If there's one thing both parties agree with, it's that you can't ever vote for a third party Actually, both major parties (not always at the same time) have a long track record of working very hard to promote voting for third-party candidates, doing things like funneling funds covertly (or simply nudging donors) to fund their efforts, assigning party activists to support third-party efforts, etc. Of course, they exclusively do this for third parties whose appeal is, or is expected to be, mainly to people whos preference, if choices were limited to the major parties, would be for the other major party. Because it's not just rhetoric, as long as the electoral system isn't reformed to change this, getting people to vote for a minor party instead of your opponent like demoralizing them and getting them to stay home, or disenfranchising them (two other things the major parties have been known to try to do to populations likely to vote for their opponents otherwise) is a lot easier and exactly half as useful, per voter, as getting them to switch to you from the other major party.
njovin 9mo ago
I don't know if it's fair to say we're chilling - there have been fairly organized (although admittedly not very large) protests around the nation related to the killing of Nicole Renee Good. I live in southern California and there were at least 6 within easy driving distance this past weekend. Whenever ICE goes into a new city, they're meeting more and more community resistance. The protestors have mostly been very smart about remaining civil, which continues making ICE look worse and worse as they tear gas and arrest peaceful protestors. The supreme court has ruled (somewhat surprisingly) that Trump can't deploy the National Guard into cities any longer. Trump's approval rating has continued steadily declining since he took office, and the midterms are shaping up to be a bloodbath. I'm mid-40s and this is the best-organized and most successful demonstration movement I've witnessed in my lifetime. Occupy got close, but that felt like something that the more 'extreme' ones were actively participating in, with more passive support from the populace. Now it feels like everyone is getting directly involved in one way or another.
- peab 9mo ago
  I understand protesting ICE for better accountability, they certainly need to be held accountable. But I don't understand those who protest the presence of ICE as a concept. Are there any countries that don't enforce their immigration laws?
  - immibis 9mo ago
    "I don't understand why people protest the Gestapo as a concept. Are there any countries that don't have undercover police?"
    - CompanionCubee 9mo ago
      > "Are there any countries that don't have undercover police?" In what countries do undercover police drive marked vehicles and wear insignia of their agency?
      - vel0city 9mo ago
fzeroracer 9mo ago
I live in Seattle and I've seen multiple large protests around the ICE murder of Renee Good. Part of the problem is that the US is too large as the people responsible for the jackbooted thugs kicking in doors and killing citizens are on the other side of the country. Business in Minneapolis is practically grinding to a halt as stores and businesses close their door out of fear. I think we're one or two bad incidents away from wide-scale rioting.
lobsterthief 9mo ago
Not everyone is chilling. Some of us are protesting and/or moving our families out of the country.
therobots927 9mo ago
We have the tech elite to thank for this disaster

Between this and Minneapolis I guess the water temperature just keeps on being turned up, and us frogs are just chilling out in our warm baths.

by a2tech 9mo ago

Between this and Minneapolis I guess the water temperature just keeps on being turned up, and us frogs are just chilling out in our warm baths.

FrustratedMonky 9mo ago

That was one of the main plot points in Andor. The rebellion had to raise the temperature faster, more dramatically, in order to wake people up. To make the frogs realize it was hot and jump out. Lonni Jung: "You realize what you've set in motion? People will suffer." Luthen Rael: "That's the plan." Luthen believes that to succeed, they need to anger the Empire and make them come down hard on the citizens, which in turn will fuel the rebellion.

HumblyTossed 9mo ago
Woah woah woah! I still haven't watched this. (I know, I know...)
- eszed 9mo ago
  Watch it. Best TV show I can think of, ever. By that I mean that the writing and acting and production values are top notch; it's entertaining throughout - some of the other greats are not (The Wire falls down here, sometimes; Keislowski's Dekalog, likewise - though its best moments are better than anything else); and Andor nails its cultural moment, by being directly about, well, all of the Important Stuff we're talking about in this thread. Also, it's a tragedy; it's about sacrifice and loss, and the human consequences of following your convictions - regardless of the side you choose. (That last note's a personal taste, but I'd stand by the former points as being reasonably objective.) I sat through it going, "how the hell did they manage to make a work of art out of a Star Wars series?", which even makes it better. You don't have to care about Star Wars AT ALL to appreciate Andor, but if you do, watching Andor -> Rogue One -> Originals back to back makes the earlier stuff better. You'll think I'm over-selling it. Please watch it, then come back and tell me I'm wrong.
  - FrustratedMonky 9mo ago
    "makes the earlier stuff better." This is an amazing feat. if only every prequel could accomplish this.
ortusdux 9mo ago
Reminds me of the West Wing: C.J. Cregg: Leo, we need to be investigated by someone who wants to kill us just to watch us die. We need someone perceived by the American people to be irresponsible, untrustworthy, partisan, ambitious, and thirsty for the limelight. Am I crazy, or is this not a job for the U. S. House of Representatives? Leo McGarry: Well, they'll get around to it sooner or later. C.J. Cregg: So let's make it sooner - let's make it now.
anon84873628 9mo ago
We have left wing accelerationists in the US too.
- FrustratedMonky 9mo ago
  Perhaps that is the real problem. The Rebels were 'accelerationists', but the Empire was also wanting it to escalate. They played into each others hands. Both sides wanted escalation, so it is positive feedback loop. When societies get to the point where everyone is escalating, there isn't much to stop it. The cool heads are drowned out.
FrustratedMonky 9mo ago
Did people not like Andor? Or the same Russian Bots that downvote any anti-right-wing/brown-shirt sentiment.

barbazoo 9mo ago

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squigz 9mo ago

Why has this analogy been repeated so much lately? Did someone famous use it or something? Edit: just to clarify, I'm not denying it's appropriate; it just seems remarkable to me that it's being used so often lately.

nutjob2 9mo ago
Because it's appropriate and descriptive?
- technothrasher 9mo ago
  We're actually dumber than the frogs. The original 19th century experiment involving frogs that didn't jump out of heated water was using frogs who had had their brains destroyed. The question being asked was whether the escape reaction to hot water was caused by the brain or by something further down in the nervous system. With an intact brain, the frogs would jump out. Without one, they wouldn't. Question answered.
  - backscratches 9mo ago
    Exorbitant education costs and free flow of thought extinguishing media means Americans are the brainless frogs.
    - GrowingSideways 9mo ago
      Maybe that's a strong element, but I think we are simply too addicted to comfort and our way of life. We've been encouraged to "just vote" for so long we've lost all political muscle.
  - r721 9mo ago
    Relevant Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#Experiments_and_analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#Experiments_and_a...
  - wat10000 9mo ago

imzadi 9mo ago

There were over 1000 protests over the weekend. The one I went to in Surprise, AZ had almost 1000 people, in a fairly conservative area with mostly older, white demographics. I think the tide is turning.

INTPenis 9mo ago
Serious question from a clueless european here, who should they vote for? To us on the outside, getting filtered news that trickles down, it just seems like there are no candidates. One is 79 and one is 83, where are all the young politicians? Why does the media choose to only emphasize a few of them at the time?
- xhrpost 9mo ago
  If there's one thing both parties agree with, it's that you can't ever vote for a third party because that's effectively voting for the other major candidate. So the problem of not having more than 2 choices perpetuates indefinitely.
  - dragonwriter 9mo ago
    > If there's one thing both parties agree with, it's that you can't ever vote for a third party Actually, both major parties (not always at the same time) have a long track record of working very hard to promote voting for third-party candidates, doing things like funneling funds covertly (or simply nudging donors) to fund their efforts, assigning party activists to support third-party efforts, etc. Of course, they exclusively do this for third parties whose appeal is, or is expected to be, mainly to people whos preference, if choices were limited to the major parties, would be for the other major party. Because it's not just rhetoric, as long as the electoral system isn't reformed to change this, getting people to vote for a minor party instead of your opponent like demoralizing them and getting them to stay home, or disenfranchising them (two other things the major parties have been known to try to do to populations likely to vote for their opponents otherwise) is a lot easier and exactly half as useful, per voter, as getting them to switch to you from the other major party.

njovin 9mo ago

I don't know if it's fair to say we're chilling - there have been fairly organized (although admittedly not very large) protests around the nation related to the killing of Nicole Renee Good. I live in southern California and there were at least 6 within easy driving distance this past weekend. Whenever ICE goes into a new city, they're meeting more and more community resistance. The protestors have mostly been very smart about remaining civil, which continues making ICE look worse and worse as they tear gas and arrest peaceful protestors. The supreme court has ruled (somewhat surprisingly) that Trump can't deploy the National Guard into cities any longer. Trump's approval rating has continued steadily declining since he took office, and the midterms are shaping up to be a bloodbath. I'm mid-40s and this is the best-organized and most successful demonstration movement I've witnessed in my lifetime. Occupy got close, but that felt like something that the more 'extreme' ones were actively participating in, with more passive support from the populace. Now it feels like everyone is getting directly involved in one way or another.

peab 9mo ago
I understand protesting ICE for better accountability, they certainly need to be held accountable. But I don't understand those who protest the presence of ICE as a concept. Are there any countries that don't enforce their immigration laws?
- immibis 9mo ago
  "I don't understand why people protest the Gestapo as a concept. Are there any countries that don't have undercover police?"
  - CompanionCubee 9mo ago
    > "Are there any countries that don't have undercover police?" In what countries do undercover police drive marked vehicles and wear insignia of their agency?
    - vel0city 9mo ago

fzeroracer 9mo ago

I live in Seattle and I've seen multiple large protests around the ICE murder of Renee Good. Part of the problem is that the US is too large as the people responsible for the jackbooted thugs kicking in doors and killing citizens are on the other side of the country. Business in Minneapolis is practically grinding to a halt as stores and businesses close their door out of fear. I think we're one or two bad incidents away from wide-scale rioting.

lobsterthief 9mo ago

Not everyone is chilling. Some of us are protesting and/or moving our families out of the country.

therobots927 9mo ago

We have the tech elite to thank for this disaster