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Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine
- spenvo 9mo agoFrom the article: "Arnoldo had filmed much of the incident, but agents had taken his phone. He used Find My to locate the phone — at a vending machine for used electronics miles away, close to an ICE detention center. The footage, which ProPublica has reviewed, backed the family’s account of the chase."
- codebyaditya 9mo agoThe disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.
- stanislavb 9mo agoOh, there's a systems problem for sure. I thought it's obvious to everyone.
- adrr 9mo agoLaws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.
- scarecrowbob 9mo agoOh, there are certainly still laws that "matter". I assure you if you treat an ice agent the way that they treat folks, you will see the application of quite a few laws.
- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago"For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law" is the motto of tyrants and dictators. And now, the USA.
- dsr_ 9mo agoThe purpose of a system is what it does. ICE is government-sponsored terrorism. Incorrupt governments follow their own laws.
- duxup 9mo agoIn Minneapolis there are videos of ICE blocking off residential neighborhoods and going door, demanding ID of residents. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneapolis_several_armed_men_do_you_have_id/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea... These aren’t bad apples, ICE operates without regard to the law by design.
- anal_reactor 9mo agoOn one hand I'd say you have a reason to panic but on the other it's no secret that in the US might makes right so it's not like the overall situation has changed dramatically.
- nextaccountic 9mo agoIt's not banned if ICE agents aren't prosecuted when they commit crimes
- techbromoment 9mo agoCurious how long it takes for posts like these to be censored once they hit the front page.
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- tsunamifury 9mo agoNormally you’d be right but this is not that situation and I’m somewhat shocked you don’t realize it. Just today ICE raided a target. Arrested US citizens at random including minors. Then pushed them from moving trucks onto the highway. You need to understand what is happening. You think complying works? The social contract has been broken.
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- Induane 9mo agoPart of the problem is that with habius corpus being ignored we don't know how many people who were successfully deported without incident should have been. 50 bad cases also doesn't really summarize it well. Chainsawing through a fence and going through an entire apartment complex and zip typing kids together after violently breaking in really isn't "one" incident. Every single interaction there is potentially bad. Just because people were later released because they weren't illegal or in a gang or whatever does not justify going into people's private space and detaining them in a scary way, especially without warrants. That stuff is going to frighten and traumatize those kids. Home will no longer feel safe. This incitement of fear is in itself a huge part of the point and part of why it's very very bad.
- tsunamifury 9mo agoI believe you are belligerently missing the point and think a mere “50 incidents” of pushing people from moving vehicles is fine. As this is absurd. Since obviously you’d not be ok with yourself or your child thrown from a moving vehicle. Trust me when I say. ICE is not here to do what you believe. And they will come for you one way or another. it’s naive and laughable and frankly a bit of a stain against humanity that you can’t see that
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- m4ck_ 9mo agoIt's probably a good thing that gold fillings/caps aren't that common these days.
- Induane 9mo agoMan that's dark. True though.
- OutOfHere 9mo agoWhy's that? Some older people have them.
- Lariscus 9mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_dental_gold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_dental_gold
- xtiansimon 9mo agoReading some of this reminds me, thank god, we still have a long way to go to be in a death cult administration. Brutal, uncaring, immoral, yea, yes, yes. But not death cult level yet.
- tremon 9mo agoAnd exactly what is standing between now and said death cult regime, other than time?
- fjklasfifefj 9mo agoYou will have to define death cult. Wearing skulls on their uniforms? Check. (Punisher symbols) Disappearing "undesirables" to foreign camps? Check. (CECOT) Murderous paramilitary brown shirts? Check. (Rene Goode) Anti-science? Check. Anti-accountability? Check. Nationalistic? Check.
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- magicalist 9mo ago> The laws that ICE is enforcing were written by both parties. Oh, which Congress members sponsored the laws on stealing people's stuff? I missed that one.
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- defrost 9mo agoThe over reach and application are owned by one. eg: ICE has no authority wrt traffic stops and the kind of actions taken recently. Door to door ID dragnets are not part of the written laws, etc.
- RickJWagner 9mo ago[flagged]
- defrost 9mo agoI condemn all excessively authoritarian behaviour. As a peer comment notes, bad behaviour _under_ a former administration is distinct from bad behaviour fully embraced, endorsed, and backed _by_ the current administration. As an aside, the "did you see what Obama did" is a poor response; while I'm certainly not a "literal communist" by any stretch I do urge you to watch a very short clip that specifically highlights the silliness of Obama V. Trump responses: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k If it helps to grasp my stance here, I'm not a US citizen and view all US administrations through the lens of not entirely reliable partners.
- RickJWagner 9mo agoI applaud your integrity. Thank you for the video, it highlights the discussion I think is needed.
- bethekidyouwant 9mo agoI’m not sure what a used electronics vending machine is, but if find my is enabled on your phone, no one else can ever unlock it
- Jeremy1026 9mo agoThis article is 95% about chokeholds, and is titled as such, but OP chose to pick out one sentence at the end to editorialize the post title with. None of the content of the article is rosy and it should be shared far and wide, but I was under the impressions post titles should match the headlines or at least the general topic of the linked item?
- ChrisArchitect 9mo agoTitle is: Immigration Agents Using Banned Chokeholds on U.S. Citizens
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- janfoeh 9mo agoWow, in the age of affordable LLM-results, there is something heraldic to posting primitive Markov-chain results such as these. The question I have never been able to answer, though: why bother?
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- em-bee 9mo agoviolence never helps. if you think violence helps, you already lost. fascism in germany wasn't stopped with violence either. i don't mean the war, but before that, so we can't rally argue that it would have been possible to prevent fascism from coming to power with a violent response. we don't know. didn't fascists in germany even incite violence in order to have an excuse to take power? the only answer to fascism is global and local unity. the majority of people need to be against fascism. violence will always come from a minority position and will never have majority support. a majority does not need violence. sadly the sister comment is dead: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46612742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46612742 it links to a good video arguing against violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGdF9pKMOAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGdF9pKMOAA
- OutOfHere 9mo agoICE has been acting with a twisted rulebook that doesn't follow the law. The best thing Americans could do in protest is to collectively stop paying federal tax as this funds much evil. As for anyone going door to door, do not open.
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- pseudohadamard 9mo agoJust remember folks, what ICE really stands for is Imperial Command Enforcement, not whatever euphemism the Trump administration claims it is.