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> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product Definitely. At at this p
by cush 9mo ago
> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product
Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door. It was nearly two years ago they sold a phone with features that still haven't shipped and the promise that Apple Intelligence would come in two months.
- baxtr 9mo agoWhat are the top 3 features you’re missing right now?
- woah 9mo agoSiri to function above the level of Dragon NaturallySpeaking '95
- ohyoutravel 9mo agoFantastic reference. I remember pirating this from microcrap.com in about 1996.
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- mcny 9mo ago> 1996 I'm chuckling at the idea of pirating software in 1996. iirc even in 1999, I couldn't figure out why Windows update required me to use internet exploder. It would take forever to download updates over dialup.
- karlshea 9mo agoI definitely pirated Photoshop around 1996 from the macfilez (possibly zelifcam by then) AOL chat room.
- cbozeman 9mo agoMy older brother and I were pirating software from BBSes before the World Wide Web existed. Talk about being there when the deep magic was written.
- thisislife2 9mo agoDon't remember if it was the 90's, but we got trial versions of Photoshop on some magazine CD and it was then all about searching for cracks / patches to it. These were quite small and bearable to download on dialups. And of course, even otherwise, dialups really taught all of us patience ... our generation thus knows the value of delayed gratification :).
- mlrtime 9mo agoefnet
- croon 9mo agoBBS existed long before that, and even before that we had "sneakernets" or "copy parties". I assume the term "pirating" is much newer than the concept of copying software, or copyright of said software.
- codepoet80 9mo agoANY ability to answer simple questions without telling me to open Safari and read a webpage for myself...?
- cush 9mo agoI'll bite 1. Have a user interface. Sometimes I'll ask a question and Siri actually provides a good enough answer, and while I'm reading it, the Siri response window just disappears. Siri is this modal popup with no history, no App, and no UI at all really. Siri doesn't have a user interface, and it should have one so that I can go back to sessions and resume them or reference them later and interact with Siri in more meaningful ways. 2. Answer questions like a modern LLM does. Siri often responds with very terse web links. I find this useful when I'm sitting with friends and we don't remember if Lliam Neeson is alive or not - for basic fact-checking. This is the only use case where it's useful I've found, when I want to peel my attention away for the shortest period of time. If ChatGPT could be bound to a power button long-press, then I'd cease to use Siri for this use case. Otherwise Siri isn't good for long questions because it doesn't have the intelligence, and as mentioned before, has no user interface. 3. Be able to do things conversationally, based on my context. Today, when I "Add to my calendar Games at Dave's house" it creates a calendar entry called "Games" and sets the location to a restaurant called "Dave's House" in a different country. My baseline expectation is that I should be able to work with Siri, build its memory and my context, and over time it becomes smarter about the things I like to do. The day Siri responds with "Do you mean Dave's House the restaurant in another country, or Dave, from your contacts?" I'll be happy.
- sandytoast 9mo agoIsn’t its voice the ui? It should respond using the same context of the request. Voice and natural language. If you ask for a website it should open a browser. Edit: everything else spot on
- cush 9mo ago> Isn’t its voice the ui? It should respond using the same context of the request. Voice and natural language. Yeah it’s an interesting idea, but visuals are required sometimes. Even the simple task of “List the highest rated Mexican restaurants near me” works perfectly well enough with old crappy Siri. You’ll get a list of the highest rated Mexican restaurants near you. But as soon as you open the first restaurant, Siri closes and the list is gone. You can’t view the second restaurant. To get the list back you need to ask Siri again. There’s no world in which that user experience makes a viable product. It’s a completely broken user experience no matter how smart the Gemini model is.
- krferriter 9mo agoI'm sorry, I can't answer that right now. Would you like to click this button which takes what you said and executes it as a Google search in Safari?
- taspeotis 9mo agoCould it just fucking work? "Hey Siri turn on the [room name] room lights" and it gives me a positive chime and ... doesn't turn any lights on? In any of my rooms?
- akoboldfrying 9mo agoJudging by another comment, it probably turned the lights on in a restaurant in a different country.
- ethbr1 9mo agoSomewhere deep inside your iPhone, an LED is toggling.
- Mistletoe 9mo agoApple’s insistence on not ever displaying error messages is infuriating.
- andy_ppp 9mo agoI should be able to completely control my phone with voice and ask it to do anything it is capable of and it should just work: "Hi Siri, can you message Katrina on WhatsApp that Judy is staying 11-15th Feb and add it to the shared Calendar, confirm with me the message to Kat and the Calendar start and end times and message."
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- smallmancontrov 9mo agoElementary anti-spam.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door To the extent Cupertino fucked up, it's in having had this attitude when they rolled out Apple Intelligence. There isn't currently a forcing function. Apple owns the iPhone, and that makes it an emperor among kings. Its wealth is also built on starting with user problems and then working backwards to the technology, versus embracing whatever's hot and trying to shove it down our throats.
- cush 9mo ago> There isn't currently a forcing function Sorry but if there wasn’t a forcing function then “Apple Picks Gemini to Power Siri” wouldn’t be the headline
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> if there wasn’t a forcing function then “Apple Picks Gemini to Power Siri” wouldn’t be the headline A pair four-trillion dollar companies striking a deal in the hottest technology space since the internet getting headline treatment is not evidence of a forcing function.
- cush 9mo agoI mean, maybe if the headline was “For no particular reason whatsoever, under absolutely no pressure from their millions of customers to deliver on the promises they paid for nearly two years ago, Apple picks Gemini to Power Siri” Or maybe you’re arguing that Apple never did intend to commit to those promises and it was all intentional and part of a well orchestrated plan from the outset? Seems like an odd strategy
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> if the headline was “For no particular reason whatsoever, under absolutely no pressure from their millions of customers to deliver on the promises they paid for nearly two years ago, Apple picks Gemini to Power Siri” Which is not how headlines work. You may have an argument that Apple is under pressure. But your headline argument is bananas. > maybe you’re arguing that Apple never did intend to commit to those promises Where did you get that? The attitude I called "fucked up" is precisely rushing to make promises and then meet them. Apple's sales don't suggest customers are putting material pressure on Cupertino. Apple's share price doesn't suggest investors are panicking. The promises have already been broken. If Apple is pushing something out, again, because they feel they have to on the basis of those promises, it's–again-a fuckup.
- pankajdoharey 9mo agoI consider Apple to be practical, Also Apple will be running Gemini on its own hardware. This is better than Buying perplexity and running chinese model on which Perplexity runs. Training Models is a money on game, Its better to rent models than training your own. If everyone is training models they are going to be come commodity, also this is not the final architecture.
- ulfw 9mo agoWell it ain't coming now either if it's just Gemini, is it?
- teekert 9mo agoYes but they also haven’t generated spicy deep fakes and talked kids into suicide with their products. It’s just how Apple does things: They still have no folding phone, under-screen finger print scanner, under-screen front-cam, etc.
- moltopoco 9mo agoThey did still overpromise and that should not be the way Apples does things (although it was hardly the first time; the AirPower mat was announced in 2017).
- delis-thumbs-7e 9mo agoTo be fair, all tech companies do this. Sell first, implement later, hype hype hype. Of course we’d like to think Apple was better, but well.. it isn’t.
- GeekyBear 9mo agoGoogle certainly shipped Magic Cue as their tentpole new AI feature on the Pixel 10 despite it not working. > “The right info, right when you need it.” That’s how Google describes Magic Cue, one of the most prominent new AI features on the Pixel 10 series. Using the power of artificial intelligence, Magic Cue is supposed to automatically suggest helpful info in phone calls, text messages, and other apps without you having to lift a finger. However, the keyword there is “supposed” to... even when going out of my way to prompt Magic Cue, it either doesn’t work or does so little that I’m amazed Google made as big a deal about the feature as it did. https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-magic-cue-one-month-later-3598684/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-magic-cue-o...
- internet2000 9mo agoApple is better though. Hence the only examples being Apple Intelligence and AirPower
- cush 9mo agoWhataboutism doesn’t justify what Apple did. They took billions of dollars from consumers using demos of products those consumers never received.
- helsinkiandrew 9mo ago> Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door They don't though, Android is clearly ahead in AI integration (even Samsung are running TV ads mocking iPhones AI capability) yet still iPhones sales are breaking records - the majority of their phone buyers still prefer an iPhone over an AI capable other phone. They can take their time to develop AI integration that others can't deploy - 'secure/private', deep integration with iCloud, location services, processing on device etc. that will provide the product moat to increase sales.
- ffsm8 9mo agoThe reality is that almost nobody actually wants LLMs in their phones. They're not good enough for that usecase, currently - so almost all interactions make the UX worse, currently. Might change in the future, I'm just taking about today in January 2026
- madeofpalk 9mo agoI think this is the wrong framing. Nobody cares whether there's an LLM in their phone. What people do want is features like improved Siri (still, debatable beyond setting timers) or other improvements, that could potentially come from LLMs.... if they actually work. So far other providers (such as Amazon Alexa) have struggled to deliver a reliable voice assistant powered by LLMs.
- lxgr 9mo agoI’m almost certain even something as ad-hoc as Opus 4.5 with access to iOS native APIs at the level of Siri exposed via MCP would run circles around Siri in January 2026.
- xp84 9mo agoI strongly agree with this. Frankly even ChatGPT 3.5 could do better. I am baffled that Apple has stuck so stubbornly to whatever insane architecture they have that results in my daily cornucopia of "I'm sorry, I didn't understand" as well as own goals like it forgetting that Apple Music is the only music service I have, or calling a girl I haven't seen in 20 years instead of my wife who has the same first name.
- votepaunchy 9mo agoThe iPhone 16 was released 16 months ago, not “nearly” 24 months.
- mring33621 9mo agoI still think Apple should, at least to Apple One customers, offer small, private models, trained on your personal imessage, image and video archives in icloud. With easy-to-use, granular controls for content inclusion/exclusion. Will make it much easier to find those missing pictures from a few years ago...
- dwaite 9mo ago> It was nearly two years ago Just under 16 months since the release of iOS 18. The phones they would have sold this with shipped alongside 18. Also, the personalized Siri was indicated it would not be available until later and was expected in the spring release (March 2025).