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Is it just a cynical view that enough voters can be convinced it's the other side at fault? Someone who supports trump, please let me know the logic on this. G
by Loughla 10mo ago
Is it just a cynical view that enough voters can be convinced it's the other side at fault?
Someone who supports trump, please let me know the logic on this. Genuinely. I'm trying to read other places about these charges but they're just so slanted that they're not really trustworthy. Is there anything to this, or is it really just to pressure the federal reserve?
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo agoI implore you to stop being credulous before it's too late. Trump supporters deeply believe, and are not shy about saying, that anyone who stops Trump from achieving his political goals should be imprisoned or murdered.
- pluralmonad 10mo agoHoly shit. If you believe even a small minority actually want that, please unplug and talk to real people in meat space.
- collinfunk 10mo agoEven if one grants that it is a small minority, aren't they still voting for someone who advocates for jailing and killing political opponents?
- gruez 10mo ago>Even if one grants that it is a small minority It is. What's more, such support is roughly the same across both parties, but both parties vastly overestimate the other side's support. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960
- _DeadFred_ 10mo agoFOX News is workshopping/normalizing the murder of undesirables. Is FOX speaking to/for a small minority? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
- gruez 10mo ago[flagged]
- _DeadFred_ 10mo agoFucking wild. You can't get more mainstream opinion than this guy. Trump regularly has phone calls on air with this person, he's isn't a random someone on TV. He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. They are workshoping/normalizing MURDERING UNDESIRABLES on their MAINSTREAM MEDIA by hosts that the president ROUTINELY USE TO BROADCAST HIS MESSAGE. My point is THEY ARE OK WITH KILLING PEOPLE THEY DON'T WANT. A meak 'my bad' doesn't mean shit. And you waive it away. 'Bro said my bad dude, what more do you want? You think he shouldn't be an administration mouthpiece just because he wants extra-judicial killing? Cancel culture'. You are literally Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist" ... He was literally you. He justified their calls for 'only killing Communists and only because they are bad and want to do bad things....' just like you. Edit: oh you are just being disingenuous got it. I'm not burning another comment on you and getting throttled so here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+trump+interview https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+...
- gruez 10mo ago>He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. Source? Maybe you should update his wikipedia page because it doesn't even mention his involvement with the second Trump administration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade
- ceejayoz 10mo agoThey chanted “lock her up” en masse as a campaign slogan. The desire to imprison is quite evident.
- netsharc 10mo agoHeh, some of them invaded Congress and were hunting down Mike Pence on Jan 6 2021...
- gruez 10mo agoIf citing the behavior of the most rabbid supporters is allowed (because that's who shows up to campaign rallies), then it's not hard to find an equivalent on the left. /r/all is full of people wanting various people in the epstein files, including trump, to be locked up on spurious associations.
- davidw 10mo agoLocking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I don't think I've seen people on the left yelling about locking Mitch McConnell up, for instance, even if he bears much responsibility for all of this.
- gruez 10mo ago>Locking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I thought they were upset about her emails or whatever?
- dd8601fn 10mo agoI think that's the point. None could name a crime, and that didn't matter. Meanwhile, 34 actual felony convictions, court finding misuse of millions in charity funds, an attempted coup, being found liable for sexual assault, SCOTUS having to formally place the president above the law to avoid prosecution... none of it even moved the needle for those same folks. None of it is about law and order.
- bdcravens 10mo agoIf you genuinely believe that, then I have some hope that the very toxic messages I see daily in political social media, saying exactly what's being alleged here, aren't deeply held beliefs but a tiny fringe.
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo agoAll of the Trump supporters I knew in meatspace reassured me that he would never do his insane tariffs, and then when he did insisted that it was a good idea and they never thought otherwise. So I no longer trust that they're telling me the truth about what they want or what they would support.
- _DeadFred_ 10mo agoFox News, a major American media company, had one of their main personalities say that homeless people should just be killed by lethal injection on air. The desire for killing for random reasons is so mainstream to them that their media is comfortable stating out loud people they don't want/are undesirable should just be killed. Their media organs are workshopping/normalizing killing undesirables. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
- JumpCrisscross 10mo agoI know many. They’re good people. But they’re willing to be indifferent to violence if the perpetrators are not on their team. Everyone does this to some degree, but their tendency to align on messaging is much higher than e.g. folks going at each other about their pet war.
- m0llusk 10mo agoThey put a great deal of effort into talking about political violence and implying that Democrats are a source of rioting and terrorism. The indifference is only to their own violence.
- senordevnyc 10mo agoMaybe eight years ago. But in my experience, Trump supporters today have no line he can cross which will cause them to stop supporting him. They might claim to, but time after time, they just find a way to justify and double down.
- blurbleblurble 10mo agoLook what's happening to real people in meat space in Minnesota right now
- fzeroracer 10mo agoHave you actually unplugged and talked to people in meat space about the actions in Minneapolis?
- Tanoc 10mo agoI have a family member like this who I interact with almost every day. When Renee Good was fatally shot in the face three times this family member said that she deserved it for "getting in the way" and that if she just ignored them she wouldn't have been murdered. With all of the video recordings that have come out and been extensively disseminated, pretty much everyone knows that she moved out of the way and stopped, and it was Jonathan Ross who initiated the encounter. There is no way to "get out of the way" and "ignore them" when armed figures enact force on whims. But people like my family member believe that these armed figures direct violence towards those who are dangerous rather than simply directing violence to anybody who is close enough to hurt. You cannot reason with people like that because they retroactively justify any harm in order to protect their belief in the systems of enforcement. To them order and structure are more important and valuable than agency and safety or in some cases even life itself.
- naijaboiler 10mo agoConservatives all over have 1 disease. They are incapable of abstract empathy. Until it personally happens to them, or someone very very close to them, they are incapable of noticing injustices or hurts.
- loeg 10mo agoThat isn't true -- they just prioritize a different set of hurts. To be similarly reductive, leftists seem to only be able to sympathize with criminals and poor decision makers -- not crime victims, or hard workers. The leftist perspective just ignores individual agency.
- Shocka1 9mo agoInterestingly, in all my volunteering experience with the homeless and also hurricane relief in Tennessee/North Carolina, there were many conservatives there helping alongside us, in many instances most of of them - assuming so as they were from Christian churches and organizations. This is an anecdote of course, so please correct me if you have actual statistics that prove conservatives are incapable of empathy. My theory is that there are a whole lot of really good people in the middle, with the extremes on each end having some brain issues with empathy and whatnot. To cast such a wide blanket on conservatives doesn't seem like critical thinking to me and will not help anything.
- loeg 10mo agoI don't think it's that deep or that Trump is even thinking ahead. He just wants the rates to be lower.
- wat10000 10mo agoExactly. He thinks he knows better than the experts. He thinks lower interest rates are good and people saying they should be higher are just trying to make him look bad. Nothing he does is a clever gambit.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> He thinks he knows better than the experts It’s a kleptocracy. He doesn’t care. He just wants cheap money from the Fed as patronage.
- beej71 10mo agoThis model makes the most sense to me. If you just model it as: Trump wants to do things that make Trump look good, everything he's done fits into it quite nicely. If you want to predict his next move, think to yourself, what does Trump think will make him look the best to his adoring supporters? Logically, conquering Greenland makes zero sense and is only damaging to the United States. But to his supporters, it will make Trump look powerful and good. Which is why he's talking about it, and why I think there's a decent chance that he's going to do it. I just hope there are enough sensible people left in his idiocracy cabinet to stop him.
- derangedHorse 10mo agoI don't support Trump but I see the reasoning him and Bessent have. They want to lower the interest rate so that they can also drop the rate at which they issue debt/treasuries. They seem to think they are too financially constrained but will bankrupt themselves even faster if they hold big treasury auctions at today's rates. It'll also lead to the general public feeling inflationary impacts. I think the government would cut relief checks to mitigate this and stir public sentiment their way, but it probably wouldn't be enough to maintain current standards of living.
- nxobject 10mo agoWell, Bessent. Somehow I don’t see Trump reasoning like that.