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And then made the best adas on the market using cameras
by iknowstuff 9mo ago
And then made the best adas on the market using cameras
- refulgentis 9mo agoI've struggled with this over the years, but think we can call it at this point: Waymo is definitely better. Just too much real world data. (i.e. scaled paid service, no drivers, multiple cities, for 1 year+)
- DustinBrett 9mo agoWe being who? What is your evidence it's better? The fact all the cars stopped moving when the power went out? The fact they cost WayMore? Show the evidence for your claims. And they have remote operators as proven by the power outage.
- refulgentis 9mo agoApologies, I was unclear with the "i.e." bit I assume, to spell it out: I think after struggling with it over years its time to call it because Waymo has a scaled paid service, no drivers, multiple cities, for 1 year+.
- DustinBrett 9mo agoBut I told you it wasn't without drivers, so where is the response there or acknowledgment of the fact they all went down?
- refulgentis 9mo agoIt’s because you spam this thread so much with such aggressive language that it honestly is scary to deal with you. You’re smart Darren, and so are other people, you should assume I knew the cars have remote backup operators. Again, you’re smart, you also know why that doesn’t mitigate having a scaled robotaxi service vs. nothing I doubt you’ll chill out but here’s a little behind the scenes peek for you that also directly address what you’re saying: a big turning point for me was getting a job at Google and realizing Elon was talking big game but there’s 100,000 things you gotta do to run a robot taxi service and Tesla was doing none of them. The epiphany came when I saw the windshield wipers for cameras and lidar. You might note even a platonically ideal robotaxi service would always have capacity for remote operation.
- DustinBrett 9mo agoI can't tell if this was suppose to be for me, I am not Darren. The reply was on my thread... My replies are at the same level as that which I respond to, never aggressive IMO. And if you "knew" something about the relevant topic and leave it out, that in itself is part of the dishonesty. So once you got a job at Google then you felt Waymo was better, hmmm. Tesla has a robot taxi service that in some cases has nobody in the car. Also everyone that owns a Tesla has experienced FSD in which it goes from A to B without being touched which is the same as it driving by itself. A person just went cross country and back with this. So to say Tesla is doing none of the 100,000 things you think are required, I think that says more about what someone at Google thinks is needed vs what is happening on the ground. I am not against remote operation in some cases, but those suggesting Waymo has solved this need to admit that it relies heavily on them for basic decision, like what to do when the power goes out at intersections.
- imtringued 9mo agoThis is such a weird take when Elon Musk is still letting his Optimus robots be teleoperated for basically every live demo. If you're lenient with him, it's completely unreasonable to be strict with Waymo, which works autonomously the vast majority of time.
- DustinBrett 9mo agoOptimus is early days, and my take isn't against remote operators but pointing out that Waymo relies on them much more than Tesla. You can go from 1 side of the country to the other without ever touching the wheel, something Waymo could not do. And the SF power outage incident showed us that it is actually only autonomous until it isn't, then you have a bunch of cars that can't move and won't and do not.
- Mawr 9mo agoWaymo operates without a safety driver. That's a slam dunk right there. No, some edge case that made the cars fail safely during a power outage doesn't compare. If that's the best you can come up with, you've got nothing.
- DustinBrett 9mo agoThe safety driver is the remote operator that makes decisions for things as basic as uncontrolled intersections.
- iknowstuff 9mo agoWaymo is fully autonomous, FSD is an adas for consumers. Robotaxi is a separate product. They are fantastic at driving but until they remove supervisors it’s a moot comparison
- refulgentis 9mo agoAh, I see. ADAS as in "assistance on a car I can buy", makes sense.
- terminalshort 9mo agoIs it really comparable, though? What is better a Ferrari or a Ford Ranger? That depends on if you are trying to go fast or haul 500 lbs of stuff across town. Waymo is a much better completely autonomous robo taxi in limited areas mapped to the mm, but if I want an autonomous driving system for my personal car to go wherever I want, Tesla FSD is the better option.
- Rebelgecko 9mo agoBy what metric? In terms of deaths, injuries, and crashes per mile their Full Self Driving at least an order of magnitude behind Waymo
- DustinBrett 9mo agoShow the proof then with links to unbias articles and the numbers/math.
- iknowstuff 9mo agoWaymo is not an adas. There’s nothing close to FSD 14 abilities out there for consumers. And your stats comparing to waymo are made up and debunked in the very reddit thread they came from
- cyberax 9mo agoSure. And Tesla doesn't have robotaxis at all, they're still playing in the kindergarten league. So Tesla is in a weird state right now. Tesla's highway assist is shit, it's worse than Mercedes previous generation assist after Tesla switched to the end-to-end neural networks. The new MB.Drive Assist Pro is apparently even better. FSD attempts to work in cities. But it's ridiculously bad, it's worse than useless even in simple city conditions. If I try to turn it on, it attempts to kill me at least once on my route from my office to my home. So other car makers quite sensibly avoided it, until they perfected the technology.
- ronnier 9mo agoThis goes against my daily fsd usage and my friends fsd usage. We all use fsd daily, zero issues, through hard city and highway environments. It’s near perfect outside of the occasional weird routing issues (but that’s not a safety issue). We all have the latest fsd on hw4. No other consumer car on the market in the US can do this (go from point a to b with zero interventions through city and highway). If there was something better then I’d buy it, but there’s not.
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- cr125rider 9mo agoThat’s not true at all. Tesla taxis aren’t even close to Waymo’s capabilities.
- iknowstuff 9mo agoI said adas, nothing about waymo. That being said, yes they are, I ride them every day.
- kelnos 9mo agoHow can you possibly say that Tesla taxis have similar capabilities to Waymos when the former requires a safety driver to be present?
- iknowstuff 9mo agoBecause I use them both and I can tell Teslas are really, really good at driving, and more naturally than Waymo at that. Obviously there’s a reason they’re still supervised but if they manage to climb that mountain it’s game over for waymo
- DustinBrett 9mo agoWhere is the proof/evidence for this statement?
- jeltz 9mo agoCurious how you only ask this to people who claim Teslas are bad and not to people who claim Teslas are good.
- DustinBrett 9mo agoAny claims I care to learn about I would like evidence. Only anti-Tesla folks seem to be lacking it.
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- kcb 9mo agoI was just thinking about this on my 60 mile FSD driver I just finished. Basically inevitable that I would shortly go HN or reddit and read how FSD doesn't work. FSD is here, it wasn't 3 or 4 years ago when I first bought a Tesla, but today it's incredible.