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CDC staff 'blindsided' as child vaccine schedule unilaterally overhauled
- gnabgib 9mo agoRelated: US will overhaul childhood vaccine schedule to recommend fewer shots (33 points, 4 days ago, 11 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46504844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46504844 Unrelated: MHRA approves self replicating mRNA Covid-19 vaccine (10 points, 5 days ago, 6 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46500392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46500392
- jauntywundrkind 9mo ago[flagged]
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- CursedSilicon 9mo agoWhy not? It's not like they want elections. Either the MAGA voters or the MAGA king
- Quothling 9mo agoMore of everyone will die. It's not just the anti-vax children, infants, eldery, chronic, or, the immunocompromised people who get it worse when herd immunity disappears. Vaccines are risk reducers, but it's not like they are perfect + the increased toll on the hospitals make more outbreaks bad for everyone. It's one of the reasons the anti-vax movement never made any sense to me. Flat Earth is silly, but at least it's perfectly harmless, but anti-vax?
- qsera 9mo ago[flagged]
- lostlogin 9mo agoSo why vaccines? Why not lose your mind over arthritis medication? Throat lozenges? Lice shampoo? Heart burn treatment?
- spiderfarmer 9mo agoBecause their manipulators only need a couple subjects for identity politics. If they sow too many seeds of doubt, the world becomes too complex again, while the goal is the opposite.
- dmurray 9mo agoNone of those are generally made mandatory. It's a reasonable position to say the government shouldn't be able to compel you to put any particular drugs in your body, even if it would benefit the population at large. The opposite position is also reasonable: the government should be able to compel you to take certain medical treatments in the name of improving public health. Reasonable people not blinded by ideology can accept both of those positions and handle individual cases on their merits. In the modern liberal world we've reached a consensus something like: measles vaccine OK, sterilising people with hereditary defects not OK. But people in other times and places settle on other compromises. Note: I'm aware that this decision isn't about forcing anyone to have the vaccine, it's just "advice". But it's only one step removed from that. Public schools already withhold services from kids who don't have CDC-recommended vaccines, and we've seen various governments willing to go much further during the COVID-19 pandemic.
- guelo 9mo agogsera's point was that the suspicious part was the business side of it not the government.
- nwienert 9mo agoJust curious - it aligns closer to Denmark or Japan. Do you hold the same view of the regulations there?
- shikshake 9mo agoEveryone will be affected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity?wprov=sfti1# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity?wprov=sfti1#
- spiderfarmer 9mo agoHow long before Americans have to go through mandatory testing at the airports of their destinations?
- tempodox 9mo agoThose kids are not responsible for their parents’ defects.
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- duxup 9mo agoIf generally lower vaccination rates only impacted the unvaccinated, most folks wouldn't really care. I wish that were the case. The sad part is that the overall participation or lack of it impacts everyone, including the vaccinated, those with health problems and so on.
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- dantefff 9mo agoLooks like they want to reduce population
- odyssey7 9mo agoVaccines are unpopular with many. I don’t see why the motives have to be more complicated than that. But, I would say that trying a different approach that acknowledges how patients feel could help rebuild public trust in healthcare institutions. Taking a broader viewpoint, this could save lives.
- UltraSane 9mo agoVaccines eradicated some of the worst diseases humans had. If thousands of kids were paralyzed by polio vaccines would become very popular again.
- duskdozer 9mo agoI think the idea that changing stated recommendations based on the public opinion is a questionable strategy that can just backfire into more distrust and behavior that follows the "true" best practices even less as they look for the 'sensible position between extremes'[1]. There are a lot of examples from the response to COVID: frequent early mixed messages around the effectiveness of masks for preventing infection and transmission not based on the actual understanding of said effectiveness but in order to manage supply shortages, arguable overstatement about the one-time long-term effectiveness of the initial vaccines against infection and transmission and not just severity of disease, overemphasis on ineffective measures like hand hygiene or six-foot-distancing over effective measures like air cleaning and masking based on the perceived willingness of the public to follow them, reduction of the stated duration of contagiousness without evidence of such. It's one thing if it's genuinely not known what the best practices are, but knowing and misleading can confuse people who are willing to follow them and can further alienate skeptics who may seek out charlatans promising them the "real, unfiltered truth". [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
- aussieguy1234 9mo agoIn many developing countries folks don't get vaccinated either and a lot of them die. TB, Typhoid, Hepatitis and others are still major problems. So with this approach, the US will be going the way of those developing countries. Apart from the deaths, there will almost certainly be economic damage.
- qsera 9mo ago[flagged]
- nwienert 9mo agoLike Japan or Denmark, which closely align to the new schedule?
- shakna 9mo agoReally? This seems much stricter than you seem to be suggesting... https://www.jpeds.or.jp/uploads/files/20240220_Immunization_Schedule_english.pdf https://www.jpeds.or.jp/uploads/files/20240220_Immunization_...
- nwienert 9mo agoUS moved from the most liberal when compared to all of Europe and Asia, to the more conservative end but not as conservative as Denmark, and close Japan. They’re similar.
- defrost 9mo agoWithout the postpartum and early childcare of those countries. Denmark doesn't do mandatory vaccines to the same degree as they catch early development of disease and treat it when it appears, consistently across the whole population. The US has a case for mandatory multi childhood vacination as the data shows otherwise preventable childhood diseases will spread untreated and unchecked. If you like Japan and Denmark and want the same - get onto improving the US health system for everybody regardless of employment status.
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- imdsm 9mo ago100% agree with you on this. We have enough places for politics. This is meant to be hacker news.
- silisili 9mo agoGonna have to agree. This site has become way, way too political with next to zero moderation. If I wanted bad takes from Reddit, I'd visit Reddit....
- arjie 9mo agoIt is the sort of thing I don't mind reading about, but admittedly these easily politicized topics have poor commentary and so on. Have you considered lobste.rs?
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- watwut 9mo agohttps://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis-surveillance-2023/hepatitis-b/figure-2-6.html https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis-surveillance-2023/hepatitis-b/... Whites had highest hepatitithis B rate 2013-2020 at which point blacks "won" again. Every since, it is blacks first, whites seconds, asians, hispanics, native americans third. The assumption that whites have lower Hep B rates is wrong.
- renewiltord 9mo agoThat’s for Asian Americans, though. The wording for “extended family” probably includes older Taiwanese and Indians in their country of origin.
- watwut 9mo agoOP specifically framed this in racial terms. He picked whites as a group with low hep B rates. Not americand nor white americans OP just simply assumed the white majority must have low hep B rates.
- arjie 9mo agoNo, I definitely intended to reference our foreign family. I was hoping that was clear enough from my saying "Indian" instead of Indian-American and saying "extended family" instead of us but anyway now I've clarified it.
- Balgair 9mo agoIs she in daycare? Does she hang out with daycare kiddos? How social are the grandparents, are they up to date on the vaccines? Covid has an estimated R of ~1.1 this winter. Meaning that the current vaccination rates of the population in the US are not adequate to stop the spread. Everyone has a part to play in that spreading. Current strains do not seem to be as 'bad' as they were in 2020, but that can change at any time, and is dependent on the individuals. Look, our family lost 4 people to Covid, all of them above 60 years old. I miss them still. I miss my Grandmother in law, her voice, her humor, and even a little bit, her dementia (strange!). I miss my uncle, I miss his singing the 12 days of Christmas around the piano, his slight Geordie brogue, his passion for electronics. I wasn't that close to the other people, but their loss affects the family a lot still. All those memories, those empty seats at tables. Sorry, here, I'm just still going through things here even 4-5 years later.
- khelavastr 9mo agoImagine all the lives saved from fewer immune stimulants.
- lostlogin 9mo agoImagining isn’t the way to do this. There is hard data on the harm vaccines cause and the benefit provided. That’s the point of the scientific organisations US taxes fund. Abandoning a scientific approach and using whatever this administration is doing is what was voted for I guess.
- joshcsimmons 9mo agoThis is directionally correct but methodologically flawed. The US requires 5-10 more vaccines for children by 5 years old than Japan does. Japan also has a much more spaced out schedule over those 5 years. Given that the American health machine is largely driven by pharmaceutical companies, it seems likely that there is some fat that can be trimmed. Did they trim it here? Who knows.
- hshdhdhj4444 9mo agoJapan has a different medical system, different levels of adherence, different cultural hygiene standards, different exposure risk profiles for different pathogens. Comparing the U.S. to Japan, or any other system for that matter, with a simple “well the vaccine schedule is different there” is simplistic and almost certainly not useful. What is useful is to compare the U.S. with and without a certain vaccine or when delaying certain vaccines. And we know how that plays out because all these vaccines have been added because of specific threats and actual diseases faced by Americans.
- jimmydddd 9mo agoNot sure "comparing A to B is 100% totally useless because A and B have some differences" is a good strategy?
- joshcsimmons 9mo agoJapan has a different medical system, different levels of adherence, different cultural hygiene standards, different exposure risk profiles for different pathogens. I mean kind of? They have a booming tourist industry which seems to negate your hypothesis.