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Agreed. Also I could not imagine being in his shoes, it must be heartbreaking seeing all his work burn like this.

blitzar 9mo ago
It is "progress" when tech bros displace traditional workers, but it is "heartbreaking" when a tech bro gets displaced by other tech bros. Whats the 2026 version of "you should learn to code"?
- elictronic 9mo ago
  You should learn to vote for UBI?
  - krainboltgreene 9mo ago
    Everyone suggests UBI like this sort of thing is a massive hurricane and we just gotta take it on the chin. Nah man, this stuff isn't happening anywhere else. We can simply say "No, you don't get to ruin the economy for your personal profit."
    - falcor84 9mo ago
      Well, here you said it; is it over now?
      - krainboltgreene 9mo ago
        I'm confused, do you not know what "we" means?
        falcor84 9mo ago
        Yes, I have no idea who's this magical "we" in your "We can simply". To me this seems like a textbook coordination problem leading to a tragedy of the commons- even if you got 99.9% of the world into your "we", the remaining "defectors" would have a massive benefit from using AI to replace human labor.
        krainboltgreene 9mo ago
        [flagged]
        throwaway290 9mo ago
        the strong interpretation is that you mean we gotta do something. and it's really not "simply" even because "we" needs to include everyone and whoever is a renegade will get more benefit. so if "say" is an euphemism for "do" it seems an obvious question what exactly do we "do". that's another reason why it's not "simply". even if everybody was ready to do something as one, if you think everybody just knows what we should do because it's so obvious you'r mistaken. sure it's asked a bit sarcastic but sarcasm isn't banned right?
        School-Cotton 9mo ago
        No, I have the same question as that other poster. It is not a bad faith question. There are a lot of problems that would be solved immediately if "we" (i.e. all of humanity, or all of the U.S. or some other country) decided collectively to do something: climate change, nuclear weapons proliferation, war, and so on. But that's effectively wishing for magic -- there is no way to get everyone to collectively agree on something, so unless you explain how to cope with that fact, you haven't actually made any progress. Given that I personally don't control humanity as a hive mind, what can I do to fix this problem? You haven't proposed an answer to that.
    - bongodongobob 9mo ago
      [dead]
    - paul7986 9mo ago
      Indeed we need to revolt against AI and force every other big powerful nation to do the same thing. Yet unfortunately that seems like a big joke until AI has destroyed their society too.
    - tomjen3 9mo ago
      Not only can we not just do that (you did not even define what you mean), but China is coming out with models that are good enough for this purpose - and they are, because they are open, everywhere.
  - Tostino 9mo ago
    Agreed, it's one of the only ways forward I can think of while still maintaining markets in some part of the economy...that is, if you care about the human condition at all. Plenty of these tech leaders seem to want to replace humanity though, so this will be an uphill battle.
    - SoftTalker 9mo ago
      It's a nice fantasy but completely contrary to human nature.
      - Analemma_ 9mo ago
        What is your alternative, when the price humans can sell their labor at dips below what is necessary for them to survive? All these takes about "UBI will demolish the human spirit" or whatever are just ridiculous when the alternative is "starve to death".
        ryoshoe 9mo ago
        Just doing nothing isn't great for the "human spirit", but UBI doesn't mean people can't find their own goals to pursue. The idea of something where people are not longer required to work to survive is hard to accept since many people haven't seriously considered how they could meaning outside of their careers
        hackable_sand 9mo ago
        I could ask every one of my coworkers what they would do and they would have a realistic answer. I don't really have sympathy for people attached to their careers. They did that to themselves.
        serf 9mo ago
        counterpoint : my father had realistic expectations for what he wanted to do post-retirement. what actually happened was that he sat around purposeless because it turns out that the motivation of producing a paycheck or product was actually the reason he did things. He stopped showering, became depressed, and neglected his health. And this isn't an uncommon reaction to the open-ended 'free-form' life post-retirement. Some people very realistically need to have some level of structure imposed on their life or otherwise be taught how to create that structure themselves. I think this will be a very real problem whenever UBI gets closer to reality.
  - j16sdiz 9mo ago
    I can't imagine how it could work internationally, when people can literally migrate between countries and countries ain't sharing resources for free
    - esafak 9mo ago
      They can? How many times have you migrated? Try going from the Middle East or Africa to any developed country.
      - npodbielski 9mo ago
        You are joking right? There were handred of thousands of people that did this in last ten years or so to EU.
  - LogicFailsMe 9mo ago
    Funded by an automation tax as proposed by Martin Ford. Not holding my breath on either count. We mustn't upset the 1,000 or so billionaires in this country in any way for they are wise and they are kind and only bad things will happen if we do. But chin up, peasant, each and every one of us can dream of one day being a billionaire as well if only we act as wise and as kind as they do.
    - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
      > But chin up, peasant, each and every one of us can dream of one day being a billionaire as well if only we act as wise and as kind as they do. (I know this was written satirically) but this is a nice example of doublespeak and I immediately got reminded of it. I wouldn't say that we have reached 1984 level, there is still some decentralization where you can get hosting and then self host from small vps providers as well etc. Not that most people do such things tho. Internet is still heavily centralized but overall, there are still outlets of escape legally and you are able to sometimes even talk to vps provider owners themselves directly in some cases if they are small enough. But still, each year although we get away from 1984 the year, we get near to 1984 the book.
      - LogicFailsMe 9mo ago
        As much as I am pro AI and I really am very pro AI, there is definitely an emperor's new AGI vibe amongst the tech bro and billionaire classes. I can only attribute it to a compulsive need to oversell everything and then deliver 25 to 50%, a state everyone is so used to now that if you try to be honest and make claims that state what you can really deliver, they will assume you can only deliver 25 to 50% of what you are claiming and therefore the guy promising twice as much gets the funding. This makes me happy that I'm nearing retirement but that switch flipping is being delayed by my hourly rate going up for possessing forgotten knowledge. Sigh...
  - ecshafer 9mo ago
    UBI will turn Earth into the Earth of the Expanse. I truly believe it would be absolutely ruinous on man. Our psychology is just not built for that.
    - Rumple22Stilk 9mo ago
      The earth of the expanse is 1000 times better than any time in history.
      - ironman1478 9mo ago
        The life of people on earth doesn't seem better than people now. For connected people it seems great, but for the average joe it seemed awful.
        Rumple22Stilk 9mo ago
        Yes it does. You don't have an accurate understanding of the lives of people on earth now, which is largely constant pain and suffering.
      - ecshafer 9mo ago
        Did you read the expanse? The earth of the expanse is full of crime and destitution. People apply in the tens of thousands for every lottery slot of school or jobs. People just wallow in nothingness. The people fleet earth for mars and the belt just to have a basic sense of purpose. If we are to just have UBI. Have basic sustenance for no effort, while we have unlimited entertainment and porn at our finger tips. It would be a disaster. I would literally we rather have make work programs.
        Rumple22Stilk 9mo ago
        Yes. I read the expanse. The problem is you don't understand how terrible life on earth is currently for the majority of people, you are coddled.
    - acdha 9mo ago
  - throwway120385 9mo ago
    The reality of UBI in the United States is that it's going to go from being something freely given to being something that is a full time job to maintain, and then it will be cut or replaced with services that are specifically designed to be as cheap as possible. Until we're all living in terrafoam, birth-controlled and warehoused until we die.
    - joquarky 9mo ago
      Manna keeps coming to mind for me as well. It feels like UBI is (at best) likely to become as complicated and corrupt as our tax system already is.
- inchidi 9mo ago
  unfortunately, it doesn't seems like tech bro gets displaced by other tech bros at all and more like corporates running costly ephemeral branding as tech bro by abusing other tech bros works.
  - falcor84 9mo ago
    What's the difference between tech bros and corporates? Isn't being a tech bro almost by definition about getting to the point where your can sell out your company and your principles?
    - blitzar 9mo ago
      10 biggest companies (by value) in the world ... all tech companies except number 9 on the list Saudi Aramco.
- tqi 9mo ago
  When you talk in meaningless terms like "traditional workers" and "tech bros", all it tells me is that you have divided the world into people you like and people you dislike and mourn / celebrate accordingly.
  - blitzar 9mo ago
    If ones position for "other people" was "they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps" then the same applies. If your position was we should stop/slow/consider the march of progress - well you lost to 30 years of moving fast and breaking things. I suggest and ask for nothing but consistency, irrespective of if you like or dislike the people who are affected.
  - GuinansEyebrows 9mo ago
    would you prefer "labor" and "class traitors"?
    - deleted 9mo ago
      [deleted]
    - SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
      Sure! But when you imagine using those terms: > It is "progress" when class traitors displace labor, but it is "heartbreaking" when a class traitor gets displaced by other class traitors. it becomes clear that the original comment was a pointless strawman of a position that nobody holds. A class traitor wouldn't be expressing sympathy about displacement in the first place. It only seemed to make sense because, when you say "tech bro", people superimpose the general category of technologists who think they can make the world better on top of one specific stereotypical guy who believes all the worst things they've ever heard a technologist say.
- spaceman_2020 9mo ago
  Well, I never read the artcicle because paywall, but there is a WSJ headline today about a $160k mechanic job at Ford that can't be fulfilled because no labor
  - hackable_sand 9mo ago
    Right, that's a lie.
- Fraterkes 9mo ago
  There’s many people who dislike both of those things. Please think before you write
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  "You should learn how to vibecode and ship whatever works enough, as fast as possible, to get bought for a wildly disconnected from fundamentals valuation." This may sound flippant, or low quality, but it I assure that it is not intended to be. It is derived from observations of the current tech macro. Quality does not appear to matter, ethics do not appear to matter, sustainability and engineering rigor do not appear to matter; it appears that all that matters is "Start up. Cash in. Sell out. Bro down." I would love to be proven wrong, truly, because this is a path to the death of craftsmanship, deep knowledge, and to some extent, curiosity, in the domain.
  - agentultra 9mo ago
    It satisfies the dream of a business with no people. As Doctorow illustrates it, like plugging the Fisher-Price steering wheel into the drive train of the business.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    You might be right but even then this feels fundamentally really immoral The sell out is the biggest fundamental issue in this equation because it is the part of the equation which doesn't reward Quality,ethics,sustainability and engineering rigor overall. Welcome to the AI bubble fueling it. I genuinely don't know but I think AI prototyping/using it for personal use cases are fine but when we completely start to vibecode, if your project is complex enough, you will reach problems and all the other factors/researches point out. In my opinion, for longevity, vibecoding is not the deal. But as you said, longevity isnt rewarded. I really hate how the system has become of just selling businesses. I feel like as such the businesses who are truly passionate about their product (because they faced the problems themselves or are heavily interested in it/passionate about it) might win "long term" To me trust feels the biggest resource in this day and age. Information era has now been sloppified. Trust is what matters now. I don't know but I will take the slow but overall steady route. There is a sense of commitment with human trust which I feel would set apart businesses and I will try to create side projects with that initiative One of the ways I feel like acheiving it while still getting the shipfast aspect is that I just build things for myself, vibe coding in this case can help and I launch it for public, if there is interest in any product or smth, I will try to respond and try to add feedbacks fast (perhaps still using vibecoding) but in long term, I try to promise to keep the code lean (usually approx 2-3k lines of code at max) and then if I see prospect and interest about the idea, I have tried to think that a middle way is either rewriting or completely understanding AI generated code to its core and having a very restrictive AI access afterwards any product feels good and then the trust aspect of things can be gained. I don't know too much about side hustles. I just build things for myself in whatever I want mostly I must admit using vibe code and end up usually sharing it online/deploying it for others as well if it might help.
- Rzor 9mo ago
  >Whats the 2026 version of "you should learn to code"? Elderly care.
  - stillcompiling 9mo ago
    Is it that mass unemployment will lead to caring more for one's family again, resulting in proper family structures that take care for their elders like in the past? I hope so.
- red-iron-pine 9mo ago
  [flagged]

It is "progress" when tech bros displace traditional workers, but it is "heartbreaking" when a tech bro gets displaced by other tech bros. Whats the 2026 version of "you should learn to code"?

elictronic 9mo ago
You should learn to vote for UBI?
- krainboltgreene 9mo ago
  Everyone suggests UBI like this sort of thing is a massive hurricane and we just gotta take it on the chin. Nah man, this stuff isn't happening anywhere else. We can simply say "No, you don't get to ruin the economy for your personal profit."
  - falcor84 9mo ago
    Well, here you said it; is it over now?
    - krainboltgreene 9mo ago
      I'm confused, do you not know what "we" means?
      - falcor84 9mo ago
        Yes, I have no idea who's this magical "we" in your "We can simply". To me this seems like a textbook coordination problem leading to a tragedy of the commons- even if you got 99.9% of the world into your "we", the remaining "defectors" would have a massive benefit from using AI to replace human labor.
        krainboltgreene 9mo ago
        [flagged]
        throwaway290 9mo ago
        the strong interpretation is that you mean we gotta do something. and it's really not "simply" even because "we" needs to include everyone and whoever is a renegade will get more benefit. so if "say" is an euphemism for "do" it seems an obvious question what exactly do we "do". that's another reason why it's not "simply". even if everybody was ready to do something as one, if you think everybody just knows what we should do because it's so obvious you'r mistaken. sure it's asked a bit sarcastic but sarcasm isn't banned right?
        School-Cotton 9mo ago
        No, I have the same question as that other poster. It is not a bad faith question. There are a lot of problems that would be solved immediately if "we" (i.e. all of humanity, or all of the U.S. or some other country) decided collectively to do something: climate change, nuclear weapons proliferation, war, and so on. But that's effectively wishing for magic -- there is no way to get everyone to collectively agree on something, so unless you explain how to cope with that fact, you haven't actually made any progress. Given that I personally don't control humanity as a hive mind, what can I do to fix this problem? You haven't proposed an answer to that.
  - bongodongobob 9mo ago
    [dead]
  - paul7986 9mo ago
    Indeed we need to revolt against AI and force every other big powerful nation to do the same thing. Yet unfortunately that seems like a big joke until AI has destroyed their society too.
  - tomjen3 9mo ago
    Not only can we not just do that (you did not even define what you mean), but China is coming out with models that are good enough for this purpose - and they are, because they are open, everywhere.
- Tostino 9mo ago
  Agreed, it's one of the only ways forward I can think of while still maintaining markets in some part of the economy...that is, if you care about the human condition at all. Plenty of these tech leaders seem to want to replace humanity though, so this will be an uphill battle.
  - SoftTalker 9mo ago
    It's a nice fantasy but completely contrary to human nature.
    - Analemma_ 9mo ago
      What is your alternative, when the price humans can sell their labor at dips below what is necessary for them to survive? All these takes about "UBI will demolish the human spirit" or whatever are just ridiculous when the alternative is "starve to death".
      - ryoshoe 9mo ago
        Just doing nothing isn't great for the "human spirit", but UBI doesn't mean people can't find their own goals to pursue. The idea of something where people are not longer required to work to survive is hard to accept since many people haven't seriously considered how they could meaning outside of their careers
        hackable_sand 9mo ago
        I could ask every one of my coworkers what they would do and they would have a realistic answer. I don't really have sympathy for people attached to their careers. They did that to themselves.
        serf 9mo ago
        counterpoint : my father had realistic expectations for what he wanted to do post-retirement. what actually happened was that he sat around purposeless because it turns out that the motivation of producing a paycheck or product was actually the reason he did things. He stopped showering, became depressed, and neglected his health. And this isn't an uncommon reaction to the open-ended 'free-form' life post-retirement. Some people very realistically need to have some level of structure imposed on their life or otherwise be taught how to create that structure themselves. I think this will be a very real problem whenever UBI gets closer to reality.
- j16sdiz 9mo ago
  I can't imagine how it could work internationally, when people can literally migrate between countries and countries ain't sharing resources for free
  - esafak 9mo ago
    They can? How many times have you migrated? Try going from the Middle East or Africa to any developed country.
    - npodbielski 9mo ago
      You are joking right? There were handred of thousands of people that did this in last ten years or so to EU.
- LogicFailsMe 9mo ago
  Funded by an automation tax as proposed by Martin Ford. Not holding my breath on either count. We mustn't upset the 1,000 or so billionaires in this country in any way for they are wise and they are kind and only bad things will happen if we do. But chin up, peasant, each and every one of us can dream of one day being a billionaire as well if only we act as wise and as kind as they do.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    > But chin up, peasant, each and every one of us can dream of one day being a billionaire as well if only we act as wise and as kind as they do. (I know this was written satirically) but this is a nice example of doublespeak and I immediately got reminded of it. I wouldn't say that we have reached 1984 level, there is still some decentralization where you can get hosting and then self host from small vps providers as well etc. Not that most people do such things tho. Internet is still heavily centralized but overall, there are still outlets of escape legally and you are able to sometimes even talk to vps provider owners themselves directly in some cases if they are small enough. But still, each year although we get away from 1984 the year, we get near to 1984 the book.
    - LogicFailsMe 9mo ago
      As much as I am pro AI and I really am very pro AI, there is definitely an emperor's new AGI vibe amongst the tech bro and billionaire classes. I can only attribute it to a compulsive need to oversell everything and then deliver 25 to 50%, a state everyone is so used to now that if you try to be honest and make claims that state what you can really deliver, they will assume you can only deliver 25 to 50% of what you are claiming and therefore the guy promising twice as much gets the funding. This makes me happy that I'm nearing retirement but that switch flipping is being delayed by my hourly rate going up for possessing forgotten knowledge. Sigh...
- ecshafer 9mo ago
  UBI will turn Earth into the Earth of the Expanse. I truly believe it would be absolutely ruinous on man. Our psychology is just not built for that.
  - Rumple22Stilk 9mo ago
    The earth of the expanse is 1000 times better than any time in history.
    - ironman1478 9mo ago
      The life of people on earth doesn't seem better than people now. For connected people it seems great, but for the average joe it seemed awful.
      - Rumple22Stilk 9mo ago
        Yes it does. You don't have an accurate understanding of the lives of people on earth now, which is largely constant pain and suffering.
    - ecshafer 9mo ago
      Did you read the expanse? The earth of the expanse is full of crime and destitution. People apply in the tens of thousands for every lottery slot of school or jobs. People just wallow in nothingness. The people fleet earth for mars and the belt just to have a basic sense of purpose. If we are to just have UBI. Have basic sustenance for no effort, while we have unlimited entertainment and porn at our finger tips. It would be a disaster. I would literally we rather have make work programs.
      - Rumple22Stilk 9mo ago
        Yes. I read the expanse. The problem is you don't understand how terrible life on earth is currently for the majority of people, you are coddled.
  - acdha 9mo ago
- throwway120385 9mo ago
  The reality of UBI in the United States is that it's going to go from being something freely given to being something that is a full time job to maintain, and then it will be cut or replaced with services that are specifically designed to be as cheap as possible. Until we're all living in terrafoam, birth-controlled and warehoused until we die.
  - joquarky 9mo ago
    Manna keeps coming to mind for me as well. It feels like UBI is (at best) likely to become as complicated and corrupt as our tax system already is.
inchidi 9mo ago
unfortunately, it doesn't seems like tech bro gets displaced by other tech bros at all and more like corporates running costly ephemeral branding as tech bro by abusing other tech bros works.
- falcor84 9mo ago
  What's the difference between tech bros and corporates? Isn't being a tech bro almost by definition about getting to the point where your can sell out your company and your principles?
  - blitzar 9mo ago
    10 biggest companies (by value) in the world ... all tech companies except number 9 on the list Saudi Aramco.
tqi 9mo ago
When you talk in meaningless terms like "traditional workers" and "tech bros", all it tells me is that you have divided the world into people you like and people you dislike and mourn / celebrate accordingly.
- blitzar 9mo ago
  If ones position for "other people" was "they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps" then the same applies. If your position was we should stop/slow/consider the march of progress - well you lost to 30 years of moving fast and breaking things. I suggest and ask for nothing but consistency, irrespective of if you like or dislike the people who are affected.
- GuinansEyebrows 9mo ago
  would you prefer "labor" and "class traitors"?
  - deleted 9mo ago
    [deleted]
  - SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
    Sure! But when you imagine using those terms: > It is "progress" when class traitors displace labor, but it is "heartbreaking" when a class traitor gets displaced by other class traitors. it becomes clear that the original comment was a pointless strawman of a position that nobody holds. A class traitor wouldn't be expressing sympathy about displacement in the first place. It only seemed to make sense because, when you say "tech bro", people superimpose the general category of technologists who think they can make the world better on top of one specific stereotypical guy who believes all the worst things they've ever heard a technologist say.
spaceman_2020 9mo ago
Well, I never read the artcicle because paywall, but there is a WSJ headline today about a $160k mechanic job at Ford that can't be fulfilled because no labor
- hackable_sand 9mo ago
  Right, that's a lie.
Fraterkes 9mo ago
There’s many people who dislike both of those things. Please think before you write
toomuchtodo 9mo ago
"You should learn how to vibecode and ship whatever works enough, as fast as possible, to get bought for a wildly disconnected from fundamentals valuation." This may sound flippant, or low quality, but it I assure that it is not intended to be. It is derived from observations of the current tech macro. Quality does not appear to matter, ethics do not appear to matter, sustainability and engineering rigor do not appear to matter; it appears that all that matters is "Start up. Cash in. Sell out. Bro down." I would love to be proven wrong, truly, because this is a path to the death of craftsmanship, deep knowledge, and to some extent, curiosity, in the domain.
- agentultra 9mo ago
  It satisfies the dream of a business with no people. As Doctorow illustrates it, like plugging the Fisher-Price steering wheel into the drive train of the business.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  You might be right but even then this feels fundamentally really immoral The sell out is the biggest fundamental issue in this equation because it is the part of the equation which doesn't reward Quality,ethics,sustainability and engineering rigor overall. Welcome to the AI bubble fueling it. I genuinely don't know but I think AI prototyping/using it for personal use cases are fine but when we completely start to vibecode, if your project is complex enough, you will reach problems and all the other factors/researches point out. In my opinion, for longevity, vibecoding is not the deal. But as you said, longevity isnt rewarded. I really hate how the system has become of just selling businesses. I feel like as such the businesses who are truly passionate about their product (because they faced the problems themselves or are heavily interested in it/passionate about it) might win "long term" To me trust feels the biggest resource in this day and age. Information era has now been sloppified. Trust is what matters now. I don't know but I will take the slow but overall steady route. There is a sense of commitment with human trust which I feel would set apart businesses and I will try to create side projects with that initiative One of the ways I feel like acheiving it while still getting the shipfast aspect is that I just build things for myself, vibe coding in this case can help and I launch it for public, if there is interest in any product or smth, I will try to respond and try to add feedbacks fast (perhaps still using vibecoding) but in long term, I try to promise to keep the code lean (usually approx 2-3k lines of code at max) and then if I see prospect and interest about the idea, I have tried to think that a middle way is either rewriting or completely understanding AI generated code to its core and having a very restrictive AI access afterwards any product feels good and then the trust aspect of things can be gained. I don't know too much about side hustles. I just build things for myself in whatever I want mostly I must admit using vibe code and end up usually sharing it online/deploying it for others as well if it might help.
Rzor 9mo ago
>Whats the 2026 version of "you should learn to code"? Elderly care.
- stillcompiling 9mo ago
  Is it that mass unemployment will lead to caring more for one's family again, resulting in proper family structures that take care for their elders like in the past? I hope so.
red-iron-pine 9mo ago
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