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I just assume it doesn’t matter where you live or who you are- anyone can have your data. It’s not admitting defeat. It’s just being safe and sane. To the poin

by great69 9mo ago

I just assume it doesn’t matter where you live or who you are- anyone can have your data. It’s not admitting defeat. It’s just being safe and sane. To the point of the post though, please note that saying the internet is American (it’s not, it’s global) or publically giving up on the U.S. because of POTUS, three letter agencies, attitudes, etc. is not helping you win the many Americans over that may join you in some cause.

patcon 9mo ago
I don't mean this flippantly, but it's an odd framing you present. As in, when you yourself comment on the internet, do you think about winning Somalis to your cause? I just mean... the point of marginalising reliance on USA and USA companies is that others don't need to care about winning American citizens to any cause they pursue, because American infrastructure has minimal [or no] power over their lives. As in, your response comes from the old world ppl are trying to leave behind, no?
u_sama 9mo ago
My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case, and all efforts must be made to increase self-reliance and disentanglement from the US. Both parties of the US disrregard european interests. An argument can be made the Internet is actually Chinese because the atoms your bit relies on are mostly produced in China or Taiwan.
- m3nat33 9mo ago
  > My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case So you are an enemy of someone because of where they were born?
  - Ygg2 9mo ago
    No, you become enemy if someone unlawfully, and uni-laterally annexes a part of your territory. For example see Ukraine.
  - ted_bunny 9mo ago
    I don't have any enmity against poisonous snakes.
    - mikkupikku 9mo ago
      Rightfully so, poisonous snakes won't hurt you unless you eat them.
  - atwrk 9mo ago
    no it means u_sama has (correctly, IMO) observed that the US has made it very clear in the past year that they don't regard the EU as an ally. I mean the openly talk about annexing EU territory right now.
    - chkchk 9mo ago
      That assumes that all Americans support the actions of the current administration. I know of no one that supports these actions.
      - miroljub 9mo ago
        I don't see mass protests across USA against Grenland policy of current US regime.
        coeneedell 9mo ago
        Then you’re not paying attention. The US is currently experiencing the largest wave of mass protests in its history. The corporate media is simply ignoring it. Practically every trump administration action has triggered nation-wide protests. https://ash.harvard.edu/programs/crowd-counting-consortium/ https://ash.harvard.edu/programs/crowd-counting-consortium/
        EGG_CREAM 9mo ago
        That’s because our mass protests are focused on the overseas concentration camps, illegal detainment and arrests, and the other authoritarian moves our president has made. It’s true that Americans in general care little about foreign policy. It’s not an anti-Europe thing, it’s just that people care about stuff that more immediately affects them. European countries are smaller and more integrated, so foreign policy has a more immediate affect on them. Foreign policy has a dramatic affect on Americans lives, but it’s usually indirect and therefore not top of mind for the average citizen. That doesn’t mean we like our government’s foreign policy. And all that’s without mentioning that many believe the Greenland talk is not serious, and simply a distraction, and therefore mass protests would actually be playing into the admins hands.
- techdmn 9mo ago
  Am American, can confirm. I largely disagree with the idea that U.S. citizens chose their government, there are many, many filters, restrictions and unnecessary complications specifically designed to prevent politics having too much influence on policy, and our militarized police force is only too happy to deal with any inconvenient protestors. (Not to mention literal military deployments to several of our cities.) On the other hand, I am routinely amazed at enthusiasm among the public for surveillance, such as the opinion that FLOCK cameras are justified because they might help catch people exceeding the speed limit. Never underestimate the average person's desire to monitor and control other people. Edit to clarify: I and many Americans are trying hard to be your allies, but it's not clear we have the leverage to be effective. Shit is locked down pretty tight over here.
- bigyabai 9mo ago
  Nevermind the supply chain issue, America apparently has extenuating issues booting China off their internal networks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon

by great69 9mo ago

patcon 9mo ago

I don't mean this flippantly, but it's an odd framing you present. As in, when you yourself comment on the internet, do you think about winning Somalis to your cause? I just mean... the point of marginalising reliance on USA and USA companies is that others don't need to care about winning American citizens to any cause they pursue, because American infrastructure has minimal [or no] power over their lives. As in, your response comes from the old world ppl are trying to leave behind, no?

u_sama 9mo ago

My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case, and all efforts must be made to increase self-reliance and disentanglement from the US. Both parties of the US disrregard european interests. An argument can be made the Internet is actually Chinese because the atoms your bit relies on are mostly produced in China or Taiwan.

m3nat33 9mo ago
> My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case So you are an enemy of someone because of where they were born?
- Ygg2 9mo ago
  No, you become enemy if someone unlawfully, and uni-laterally annexes a part of your territory. For example see Ukraine.
- ted_bunny 9mo ago
  I don't have any enmity against poisonous snakes.
  - mikkupikku 9mo ago
    Rightfully so, poisonous snakes won't hurt you unless you eat them.
- atwrk 9mo ago
  no it means u_sama has (correctly, IMO) observed that the US has made it very clear in the past year that they don't regard the EU as an ally. I mean the openly talk about annexing EU territory right now.
  - chkchk 9mo ago
    That assumes that all Americans support the actions of the current administration. I know of no one that supports these actions.
    - miroljub 9mo ago
      I don't see mass protests across USA against Grenland policy of current US regime.
      - coeneedell 9mo ago
        Then you’re not paying attention. The US is currently experiencing the largest wave of mass protests in its history. The corporate media is simply ignoring it. Practically every trump administration action has triggered nation-wide protests. https://ash.harvard.edu/programs/crowd-counting-consortium/ https://ash.harvard.edu/programs/crowd-counting-consortium/
      - EGG_CREAM 9mo ago
        That’s because our mass protests are focused on the overseas concentration camps, illegal detainment and arrests, and the other authoritarian moves our president has made. It’s true that Americans in general care little about foreign policy. It’s not an anti-Europe thing, it’s just that people care about stuff that more immediately affects them. European countries are smaller and more integrated, so foreign policy has a more immediate affect on them. Foreign policy has a dramatic affect on Americans lives, but it’s usually indirect and therefore not top of mind for the average citizen. That doesn’t mean we like our government’s foreign policy. And all that’s without mentioning that many believe the Greenland talk is not serious, and simply a distraction, and therefore mass protests would actually be playing into the admins hands.
techdmn 9mo ago
Am American, can confirm. I largely disagree with the idea that U.S. citizens chose their government, there are many, many filters, restrictions and unnecessary complications specifically designed to prevent politics having too much influence on policy, and our militarized police force is only too happy to deal with any inconvenient protestors. (Not to mention literal military deployments to several of our cities.) On the other hand, I am routinely amazed at enthusiasm among the public for surveillance, such as the opinion that FLOCK cameras are justified because they might help catch people exceeding the speed limit. Never underestimate the average person's desire to monitor and control other people. Edit to clarify: I and many Americans are trying hard to be your allies, but it's not clear we have the leverage to be effective. Shit is locked down pretty tight over here.
bigyabai 9mo ago
Nevermind the supply chain issue, America apparently has extenuating issues booting China off their internal networks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon