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I put up with so much Windows crap over the years, and Windows 11 was the final straw. It’s not even the gaming OS anymore as Linux feels snappier and more stab

I put up with so much Windows crap over the years, and Windows 11 was the final straw. It’s not even the gaming OS anymore as Linux feels snappier and more stable for running games.

darthg0d 9mo ago
This was me after decades of running Windows. I'm now firmly on Debian (13).
- aspbee555 9mo ago
  I have been running Deb 13 on my primary workstation for a couple months, just as stable as Debian 12 I was running for years on my primary. I am able to do all of my programming work, virtual win/mac for compiling and able to play every Steam game I try with zero problems (BG3, CyberPunk, etc), all from a $500 mini-pc. Even bluetooth has had zero issue (which is usually a problem/pita)
  - 756D61 9mo ago
    What mini-pc if may know?
XorNot 9mo ago
Anyone know if Helldivers 2 works on Linux now? Because I'd say if I can't stick with 10 much longer then I'm just going to format that partition.
- dgunay 9mo ago
  Yes: https://www.protondb.com/app/553850 https://www.protondb.com/app/553850 Personally I have been playing it on Arch Linux since release and it has always worked just fine, besides it being a deeply janky game regardless of OS.
  - ticoombs 9mo ago
    Ditto. No issues at all that my friends did not experience as well. (Long download/patching times).
  - vips7L 9mo ago
    “Crashes for me every 10 minutes into a game.”
- nachexnachex 9mo ago
  I've been playing it on linux since I started. Just run steam, install, Start. Happy diving.
  - XorNot 9mo ago
    Thanks going to give it a try then. Since I already use VMs for Windows-required development activities, this may be the final days of dual booting for me.
- yellowapple 9mo ago
  It worked on Linux since basically day 1, though I haven't played it in awhile so who knows if things have broken since then.
- robby_w_g 9mo ago
  Funny enough, this is the game compatibility that convinced me that Linux was worthwhile switching over to. With Arch Linux + the nvidia-open package, the Linux desktop experience is miles better than when I last tried in 2017 with Ubuntu
Joe_Boogz 9mo ago
Until Linux has an alternative to anticheat, gaming on Windows is still king. And until Linux implements similar abstractions in the Kernel akin to Filter Drivers in Windows, Linux will never have a proper anticheat.
- bmandale 9mo ago
  This is begging the question. Games on linux lack kernel anticheat because linux isn't very popular. Once linux is popular enough, then they will figure out a way to do anti cheat on it in a way that they consider acceptable. Valve already considers VAC good enough, because they want to support linux. Anti cheat on windows works the way it does because that's what's available on windows, on linux they'll figure out some other way.
- singpolyma3 9mo ago
  Anticheat is sloppy engineering
- mjevans 9mo ago
  Linux has working EAC. Any software not working on Linux is a Policy decision by the seller, not lacking features on the buyer. Oh and rootkit level EAC? Expect that to go away on Windows too when MS finally gets sick of Crowdstrike and that ilk causing self inflicted Denial of Service attacks on whole economic sectors.
  - hedora 9mo ago
    They can’t kick Crowdstrike out without permission from the EU. It’s one of the bigger failures of antitrust enforcement I can think of (I can think of much larger screw ups involving lack of antitrust enforcement, to be clear.)
    - immibis 9mo ago
      Good. Microsoft should have absolutely no legal right to stop people from fixing, breaking, or otherwise modifying their own computers, including by installing buggy "security" placebos.
theandrewbailey 9mo ago
After using Linux just about everywhere else, I moved my main desktop/gaming rig to Linux about a year ago. (The last Windows install I have is my retro PC.) I work in e-waste recycling, and it's my first Windows-free job. A family friend called me for advice on her old decrepit laptop. I told her about my work "laptop": a Surface Pro tablet with Linux. I just sold one to her, partially on the security and privacy advantages of Linux.
- ProllyInfamous 9mo ago
  >I work in e-waste recycling How does one get into this, preferably without having to be a yardie for a few years (I'm an electrician with a degree in chemistry)? Fellow Win7Pro retro machiner.
  - theandrewbailey 9mo ago
    I'm not sure if my story is useful for you: I had a friend working there when they had an opening. He recommended me, and the boss asked if I knew my stuff; he said yes. I'm struggling to remember how my friend got in there. I work in the refurb division. I walk though the receiving and demanufacturing areas looking for things that would be worth our time to resell. Though if you have a chemistry degree, you'd probably be more helpful to the people we sell scrap to. From what the boss told me, they're the ones who shred PCBs, drives, etc. and dissolve them in acid to extract metals and other materials, like one would with mined ore. And our certifications require us to use buyers who don't turn around and ship things off to the third world for "processing": https://sustainableelectronics.org/welcome-to-r2v3/ https://sustainableelectronics.org/welcome-to-r2v3/
    - ProllyInfamous 9mo ago
      Thanks for taking time to respond. >I had a friend working there Also how I got my first tech job, working in a laptop repair facility (on-site for a large engineering team). >you'd probably be more helpful to the people we sell scrap to Thanks for the certification links (which has a map with hundreds of locations — none near me, but have been looking for a smaller community and this is helpful information).
esalman 9mo ago
My work laptop used to be Thinkpad P1 before they enfored Dell hardware. The current win11 laptop needs to be replaced for stability issues, and I begrudgingly going to ask for a MacBook.

I put up with so much Windows crap over the years, and Windows 11 was the final straw. It’s not even the gaming OS anymore as Linux feels snappier and more stable for running games.

darthg0d 9mo ago

This was me after decades of running Windows. I'm now firmly on Debian (13).

aspbee555 9mo ago
I have been running Deb 13 on my primary workstation for a couple months, just as stable as Debian 12 I was running for years on my primary. I am able to do all of my programming work, virtual win/mac for compiling and able to play every Steam game I try with zero problems (BG3, CyberPunk, etc), all from a $500 mini-pc. Even bluetooth has had zero issue (which is usually a problem/pita)
- 756D61 9mo ago
  What mini-pc if may know?

XorNot 9mo ago

Anyone know if Helldivers 2 works on Linux now? Because I'd say if I can't stick with 10 much longer then I'm just going to format that partition.

dgunay 9mo ago
Yes: https://www.protondb.com/app/553850 https://www.protondb.com/app/553850 Personally I have been playing it on Arch Linux since release and it has always worked just fine, besides it being a deeply janky game regardless of OS.
- ticoombs 9mo ago
  Ditto. No issues at all that my friends did not experience as well. (Long download/patching times).
- vips7L 9mo ago
  “Crashes for me every 10 minutes into a game.”
nachexnachex 9mo ago
I've been playing it on linux since I started. Just run steam, install, Start. Happy diving.
- XorNot 9mo ago
  Thanks going to give it a try then. Since I already use VMs for Windows-required development activities, this may be the final days of dual booting for me.
yellowapple 9mo ago
It worked on Linux since basically day 1, though I haven't played it in awhile so who knows if things have broken since then.
robby_w_g 9mo ago
Funny enough, this is the game compatibility that convinced me that Linux was worthwhile switching over to. With Arch Linux + the nvidia-open package, the Linux desktop experience is miles better than when I last tried in 2017 with Ubuntu

Joe_Boogz 9mo ago

Until Linux has an alternative to anticheat, gaming on Windows is still king. And until Linux implements similar abstractions in the Kernel akin to Filter Drivers in Windows, Linux will never have a proper anticheat.

bmandale 9mo ago
This is begging the question. Games on linux lack kernel anticheat because linux isn't very popular. Once linux is popular enough, then they will figure out a way to do anti cheat on it in a way that they consider acceptable. Valve already considers VAC good enough, because they want to support linux. Anti cheat on windows works the way it does because that's what's available on windows, on linux they'll figure out some other way.
singpolyma3 9mo ago
Anticheat is sloppy engineering
mjevans 9mo ago
Linux has working EAC. Any software not working on Linux is a Policy decision by the seller, not lacking features on the buyer. Oh and rootkit level EAC? Expect that to go away on Windows too when MS finally gets sick of Crowdstrike and that ilk causing self inflicted Denial of Service attacks on whole economic sectors.
- hedora 9mo ago
  They can’t kick Crowdstrike out without permission from the EU. It’s one of the bigger failures of antitrust enforcement I can think of (I can think of much larger screw ups involving lack of antitrust enforcement, to be clear.)
  - immibis 9mo ago
    Good. Microsoft should have absolutely no legal right to stop people from fixing, breaking, or otherwise modifying their own computers, including by installing buggy "security" placebos.

theandrewbailey 9mo ago

After using Linux just about everywhere else, I moved my main desktop/gaming rig to Linux about a year ago. (The last Windows install I have is my retro PC.) I work in e-waste recycling, and it's my first Windows-free job. A family friend called me for advice on her old decrepit laptop. I told her about my work "laptop": a Surface Pro tablet with Linux. I just sold one to her, partially on the security and privacy advantages of Linux.

ProllyInfamous 9mo ago
>I work in e-waste recycling How does one get into this, preferably without having to be a yardie for a few years (I'm an electrician with a degree in chemistry)? Fellow Win7Pro retro machiner.
- theandrewbailey 9mo ago
  I'm not sure if my story is useful for you: I had a friend working there when they had an opening. He recommended me, and the boss asked if I knew my stuff; he said yes. I'm struggling to remember how my friend got in there. I work in the refurb division. I walk though the receiving and demanufacturing areas looking for things that would be worth our time to resell. Though if you have a chemistry degree, you'd probably be more helpful to the people we sell scrap to. From what the boss told me, they're the ones who shred PCBs, drives, etc. and dissolve them in acid to extract metals and other materials, like one would with mined ore. And our certifications require us to use buyers who don't turn around and ship things off to the third world for "processing": https://sustainableelectronics.org/welcome-to-r2v3/ https://sustainableelectronics.org/welcome-to-r2v3/
  - ProllyInfamous 9mo ago
    Thanks for taking time to respond. >I had a friend working there Also how I got my first tech job, working in a laptop repair facility (on-site for a large engineering team). >you'd probably be more helpful to the people we sell scrap to Thanks for the certification links (which has a map with hundreds of locations — none near me, but have been looking for a smaller community and this is helpful information).

esalman 9mo ago

My work laptop used to be Thinkpad P1 before they enfored Dell hardware. The current win11 laptop needs to be replaced for stability issues, and I begrudgingly going to ask for a MacBook.