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This is true with a lot of companies. If you made people actually use their own product (do they?!) maybe they'd think twice before doing boneheaded things The

by alex1138 10mo ago

This is true with a lot of companies. If you made people actually use their own product (do they?!) maybe they'd think twice before doing boneheaded things Then again, I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem

yoyohello13 10mo ago
I remember I was at a Python conference some years ago and every Microsoft dev I saw had a MacBook. So no, I don’t think they use their own product internally.
- dmix 10mo ago
  The only thing worse than work-from-office is mandatory work-on-windows.
  - jiggawatts 10mo ago
    If only there was something Microsoft’s developers could do about that…
- ethagnawl 10mo ago
  As an aside, I used to know a number of MS heads who ran Windows on Mac Intel machines because they preferred the hardware (~2014 MBP) and/or because they ostensibly worked at Mac shops and were handed one upon entry.
  - badc0ffee 10mo ago
    If I still had to use Windows I'd want a laptop with home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys, and alt/win in the right place.
    - eviks 10mo ago
      The last issue is solvd in software, the first one has a good workaround in software
  - matwood 10mo ago
    Long ago at this point when my job required windows, the best experience for me was running it in a VM on a MBP. Actually worked quite well since it was easy stop/start windows and segmented work off on its own.
- stuaxo 10mo ago
  Using Windows as a python dev is a complete pain.
gerdesj 10mo ago
"I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem" They don't make money (put bread on the table) by selling Windows any more. That is soooo 2000s. Income is from data mining and from subscriptions to cloudy offerings that are mostly MVP (Minimum Viable Product). Oh, and hyping their perceived value to the point that the term "meme stock" is no longer just a joke.
userbinator 10mo ago
If you made people actually use their own product (do they?!) Yes, they do. Unfortunately even MS employees are powerless to do anything about the crap that gets shoved into Windows by other employees working at the company, and the ones who complain about it are quietly shown the door or have already left of their own will, leaving only those who are completely apathetic or... Then again, I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem Exactly. That and the desire to remain in the country --- part of the reason why companies like H-1Bs so much is because they are going to be far more docile and less willing to resist doing things they feel are wrong.

yoyohello13 10mo ago

I remember I was at a Python conference some years ago and every Microsoft dev I saw had a MacBook. So no, I don’t think they use their own product internally.

dmix 10mo ago
The only thing worse than work-from-office is mandatory work-on-windows.
- jiggawatts 10mo ago
  If only there was something Microsoft’s developers could do about that…
ethagnawl 10mo ago
As an aside, I used to know a number of MS heads who ran Windows on Mac Intel machines because they preferred the hardware (~2014 MBP) and/or because they ostensibly worked at Mac shops and were handed one upon entry.
- badc0ffee 10mo ago
  If I still had to use Windows I'd want a laptop with home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys, and alt/win in the right place.
  - eviks 10mo ago
    The last issue is solvd in software, the first one has a good workaround in software
- matwood 10mo ago
  Long ago at this point when my job required windows, the best experience for me was running it in a VM on a MBP. Actually worked quite well since it was easy stop/start windows and segmented work off on its own.
stuaxo 10mo ago
Using Windows as a python dev is a complete pain.

gerdesj 10mo ago

"I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem" They don't make money (put bread on the table) by selling Windows any more. That is soooo 2000s. Income is from data mining and from subscriptions to cloudy offerings that are mostly MVP (Minimum Viable Product). Oh, and hyping their perceived value to the point that the term "meme stock" is no longer just a joke.

userbinator 10mo ago

If you made people actually use their own product (do they?!) Yes, they do. Unfortunately even MS employees are powerless to do anything about the crap that gets shoved into Windows by other employees working at the company, and the ones who complain about it are quietly shown the door or have already left of their own will, leaving only those who are completely apathetic or... Then again, I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem Exactly. That and the desire to remain in the country --- part of the reason why companies like H-1Bs so much is because they are going to be far more docile and less willing to resist doing things they feel are wrong.