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If the EU goes against the US and happens to recruit allies, we’re cooked.

0xbadcafebee 10mo ago
Not really. We have the most money, the most guns, and world economies depend on us. Europe won't even fight Russia when they literally invaded a country in their backyard, and Russia is much weaker than the US.
- lesuorac 10mo ago
  Fighting Russia or the US is basically the same; you're just going to get nuked. Ukraine doesn't get nuked because Russia isn't in a real risk of losing it's own territory and doesn't want to annex irradiated lands. But also Europe (besides Ukraine) doesn't have much to gain from fighting Russia. They're happy to assist in air raids in North Africa / Middle East for energy reasons (see Libya) but it's fighting for practical purposes. The table can also be turned against the US. Despite the endless complaints about Mexico sending drugs & drug dealers into the US it's not like we are doing effective (or drastic).
  - astrange 10mo ago
    Europe has a lot to gain from fighting Russia, because if they conquer Ukraine they're going to invade Poland next.
    - Calazon 10mo ago
      I doubt Russia would invade the EU anytime soon under current conditions, even if they manage to annex all of Ukraine with no further losses. Much more likely they invade another non-EU, non-NATO country like Moldova.
      - M95D 10mo ago
        Much more likely they'll invade Belarus, then Letonia, Estonia, etc. well before they invade Moldova.
- womitt 10mo ago
  Your most money won't buy you much resources in a decade. most of the natural resources exporting countries feel a bit cheated with 20 year contracts and two "quantitative easing" in the same period
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > most money won't buy you much resources in a decade You’re vastly underestimating how resource rich America, North America and the Western Hemisphere are.
    - reactordev 10mo ago
      You’re vastly underestimating how quickly we can exhaust those resources.
      - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
        > You’re vastly underestimating how quickly we can exhaust those resources …to where we need to mine or drill Europe? What is your source for any of this?
        reactordev 10mo ago
        The only resource suppliers to EU other than the United States is Norway (natural gas pipeline, crude oil 14%) and Australia (coal 36%). The US supplies a a huge minority in those as well as a majority in LNG. (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/interactive-publications/energy-2025 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/interactive-publications/e...) If the EU ally’s with Australia, pics up an enemy of an enemy - China, they can withstand a US embargo. About our increasing consumption, you can read the report here (https://www.unep.org/resources/Global-Resource-Outlook-2024 https://www.unep.org/resources/Global-Resource-Outlook-2024). We can’t extract our way out of this. We’ll have nothing left. We need space minerals and more rocks that aren’t home. We’re fighting over less and less sand in the sandbox.
nradov 10mo ago
I hope that the USA will maintain strong relations with the EU. But the EU is structurally incapable of taking any coordinated action more significant than mandating USB-C chargers for cell phones.

Not really. We have the most money, the most guns, and world economies depend on us. Europe won't even fight Russia when they literally invaded a country in their backyard, and Russia is much weaker than the US.

lesuorac 10mo ago
Fighting Russia or the US is basically the same; you're just going to get nuked. Ukraine doesn't get nuked because Russia isn't in a real risk of losing it's own territory and doesn't want to annex irradiated lands. But also Europe (besides Ukraine) doesn't have much to gain from fighting Russia. They're happy to assist in air raids in North Africa / Middle East for energy reasons (see Libya) but it's fighting for practical purposes. The table can also be turned against the US. Despite the endless complaints about Mexico sending drugs & drug dealers into the US it's not like we are doing effective (or drastic).
- astrange 10mo ago
  Europe has a lot to gain from fighting Russia, because if they conquer Ukraine they're going to invade Poland next.
  - Calazon 10mo ago
    I doubt Russia would invade the EU anytime soon under current conditions, even if they manage to annex all of Ukraine with no further losses. Much more likely they invade another non-EU, non-NATO country like Moldova.
    - M95D 10mo ago
      Much more likely they'll invade Belarus, then Letonia, Estonia, etc. well before they invade Moldova.
womitt 10mo ago
Your most money won't buy you much resources in a decade. most of the natural resources exporting countries feel a bit cheated with 20 year contracts and two "quantitative easing" in the same period
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > most money won't buy you much resources in a decade You’re vastly underestimating how resource rich America, North America and the Western Hemisphere are.
  - reactordev 10mo ago
    You’re vastly underestimating how quickly we can exhaust those resources.
    - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
      > You’re vastly underestimating how quickly we can exhaust those resources …to where we need to mine or drill Europe? What is your source for any of this?
      - reactordev 10mo ago
        The only resource suppliers to EU other than the United States is Norway (natural gas pipeline, crude oil 14%) and Australia (coal 36%). The US supplies a a huge minority in those as well as a majority in LNG. (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/interactive-publications/energy-2025 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/interactive-publications/e...) If the EU ally’s with Australia, pics up an enemy of an enemy - China, they can withstand a US embargo. About our increasing consumption, you can read the report here (https://www.unep.org/resources/Global-Resource-Outlook-2024 https://www.unep.org/resources/Global-Resource-Outlook-2024). We can’t extract our way out of this. We’ll have nothing left. We need space minerals and more rocks that aren’t home. We’re fighting over less and less sand in the sandbox.

nradov 10mo ago

I hope that the USA will maintain strong relations with the EU. But the EU is structurally incapable of taking any coordinated action more significant than mandating USB-C chargers for cell phones.