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Electrek’s ‘reporting’ has proven so one-sided that I take all their stories with a bucket of salt. Even if the truck has been a flop I doubt their whole batter
by jack_riminton 11mo ago
Electrek’s ‘reporting’ has proven so one-sided that I take all their stories with a bucket of salt. Even if the truck has been a flop I doubt their whole battery program has been. Perhaps they’re rejigging suppliers and pausing whilst they get ready to ramp up cyber cab production lines
- malfist 11mo agoAnd what evidence do you base those assumptions on? According to the journalists at electrek despite Tesla having capacity to manufacture 250k cybertrucks per year, they're only selling 20-25k per year
- mxschumacher 11mo agoand SpaceX has been a major buyer of Cybertrucks
- SonOfKyuss 11mo agoI actually get a kick out of Eletrek’s roasting of Elon and Tesla, but if you read a few of their articles, it’s clear they don’t like him. Lots of opinions and editorializing in the articles. I have no problem with that, you just have to realize where they are coming from and base your interpretation accordingly
- TheAlchemist 11mo agoThe reason for that is actually very funny. Electrek guy (Fred) was one of the main propagandist for Tesla's cult - he 'earned' 2 free Tesla Roadsters for his convincing enough people to buy a Tesla. It was only once he realized that he has been duped and those will never materialize that the coverage turned negative.
- detritus 11mo agoThanks for this - I've paid much less attention to Tesla over recent years, but my memory of Electrek was that it was a distinctly-pro Tesla outlet, but this was a few years back now.
- Tepix 11mo agoI think Elon going full nazi also had a major influence on the changing judgement of Tesla.
- callc 11mo agoYup. Plain and simple. I won’t purchase or use anything Elon Musk does. Bad behavior and corroding society needs to be met with social disapproval.
- fartfeatures 11mo agoFred has been going at Tesla far longer than Elon has been political.
- Tepix 10mo agoIt‘s been a gradual process. Fred selling his stock also meant he was less inclined to be only pro-Tesla. ChatGPT sums it up pretty well I think: https://chatgpt.com/share/69552165-238c-8008-980b-4d0ff2e1b42c https://chatgpt.com/share/69552165-238c-8008-980b-4d0ff2e1b4...
- rasz 11mo agoIts not that they dont like him, its more of Editor was big believer until Tesla scammed him out of half a $mil worth of fake roadsters that never materialized.
- simondotau 11mo agoIf that's really the reason, that's the most idiotic reason possible. So he "earned" a couple of Roadsters by spamming his referral code, and it turns out his free cars might be a decade late, and maybe not as awesome as promised? Booo hooooo
- NewLogic 11mo agoIt's called fraud, the editor was a victim of fraud. At least he clued on late I guess..
- fastball 11mo agoThere was no guarantee of Roadster delivery date.
- simondotau 11mo agoIs it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? Referral credits are legal fictions, much like how Tesla Roadsters are physical fictions. Trading one fiction for another isn’t fraud, it’s cosplay.
- gruez 11mo ago>Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? Is it fraud if you worked for a startup that promised you options, and then refused to honor/issue those said options? After all, because those options never existed, you also "paid $0 for non-existent [options]"?
- Dylan16807 11mo ago> Leveraging an existing monetised readership for referral credits isn’t “work”. > Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? How do you think readership gets monetised in the first place? The biggest way is ads, which includes referrals. Do you dismiss paid ad placement the same way you dismiss referrals? If not, what makes it different? > Referral credits are legal fictions A promise for $100 of stuff isn't exactly the same as a promise for $100, but it's close. Debt is a "legal fiction" but that doesn't mean it's not legitimate, or that you can pretend it doesn't exist.
- jack_riminton 11mo ago[flagged]
- tclancy 11mo agoThe second part of your post is your opinion plus a hypothesis that supports your opinion.
- jack_riminton 11mo agoNo I said “ Even if the truck has been a flop I doubt their whole battery program has been “ The replier then went off on one about the truck actually being a flop. I already conceded it had been. The main point was that their battery program probably hasn’t been a flop
- malfist 11mo agoThe battery is only used for the truck. No one else is building on Tesla's new battery form factor. Which I do have to point out, doubting it's a failure isn't evidence that it isn't a failure. Which is why I asked you to back up your claims
- postexitus 11mo agoLet's stay positive folks! /s
- mikeryan 11mo agoI honestly don’t follow this much but I doubt that production ramp up is the Cybercab’s long pole when they’ll need a significant number of market approvals for FSD to reach critical mass.
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- nutjob2 11mo agoIt's just a popular opinion. Not everything is a conspiracy. HN has lots of people who can think for themselves and lots who can't.
- epistasis 11mo agoWhen somebody is siding with reality, especially a media source, that's a reason to listen to them more not less. And when it's straight up facts easily verifiable from others sources, pretending that it's not based in reality is just sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "la la la la" which is something that even very few 12 year olds do.
- DustinBrett 11mo agoThe only fact was about the contract which is like a sentence of the article. Then it goes into a guessing game on what it could mean, with the most negative spin possible.
- narrator 11mo agoThe haters on here are ridiculous. If everyone who ever had a product that failed in the market was called a fraud on HN then probably almost everyone would be. SpaceX failed on their first three launches. All the haters here would have voted to shut it all down. Glad Elon's able to recover from business failures without going to the HN comments section to find out what he should do next.
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- simondotau 11mo agoI still remember when people were laughing at the Tesla Model 3 as vapourware, as a scam, and proof that Musk was operating a ponzi scheme.
- DangitBobby 11mo agoIt never did become affordable.
- simondotau 11mo agoIt’s affordable relative to the definition of affordable given at the time. The entry level Model 3 currently sells for $38,630. That's $28,600 in 2016 dollars.
- miltonlost 11mo agoBackwards in time affordability to bend over backwards for a nazi saluter.
- youarentrightjr 11mo ago> get ready to ramp up cyber cab production lines The word on the street is this is only 2 weeks out. Right after fulfilling the roadster orders. And right before the Dyson sphere that will power Grok AI is deployed.
- Loughla 11mo agoIf we build a Dyson sphere just to power chat bots, I'm turning into an eco-terrorist.
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- Dylan16807 11mo agoIs there something you'd prefer the shoddy beginnings of a Dyson sphere be doing? I understand thinking it would be a terrible idea in many ways, but in this scenario I think the only thing an "eco-terrorist" accomplishes is getting more servers to stay on earth where they damage the ecosystem more.
- phatskat 10mo agoAnd really, we’ve had great advances in tech come out of eg the military - if AI chatbot power needs bring us Dyson spheres I’m fine with it
- altairprime 11mo agoHow does a Dyson sphere make you feel, Dave?
- _ea1k 11mo agoYeah, I'm getting the same feeling. They've announced that semi will use 4680 and Cyber Cab as well, right? If that's the case, this would point to a specific supplier issue rather than something more general. It isn't something that I've looked into in depth, but it feels like a lot of the discussion isn't hitting the mark here.
- DustinBrett 11mo ago[flagged]