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CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]
- meindnoch 9mo agoTLDR? Goat-staring is real?
- Xmd5a 9mo agoThere is a regain of interest in these topics. See what's happening here: https://www.reddit.com/r/GATEresearch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GATEresearch/
- krapp 9mo ago"real" in that the program existed and research was done? Yes. "real" in that remote viewing and psychic powers actually exist? No. The CIA researched a ton of "mind-control" techniques under MKULTRA too but that doesn't mean they can control your mind. The government has programs to research UFOs but that doesn't mean aliens are buzzing our skies and kidnapping our cattle. I think what we're really seeing here is just money laundering and confirmation bias.
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- DANmode 9mo ago> that doesn't mean they can control your mind. If the attacker has physical access, assume your system is not safe.
- hosh 9mo ago> TLDR? Goat-staring is real? The movie was based on the work of a journalist investigating the topic and wrote a non-fiction book on the subject.
- kubb 9mo agoIt’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.
- exe34 9mo ago> By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically We're in an age when vaccines are treated as the enemy and the us health secretary believes paracetamol causes autism.
- Mistletoe 9mo agoThe Tylenol thing is one of the least crazy things he has believed in, at least it had some initial studies suggesting it. There’s no science at all in most of his beliefs.
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- willis936 9mo agoThe CIA has been this way since basically its inception. It's where a bunch of lead-lined brains are given unreasonable budgets and discretion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Science_and_Technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Science_and_Tec...
- firesteelrain 9mo agoIt appears this was actually authorized by Congress. “ In the FY 1991 Defense Authorization Act, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) was identified as executive agent for initiating a new program to investigate parapsychological/ anomalous phenomena. A funding level of $2 million was authorized for DIA to undertake specific research and other activities relative to this activity. Objectives of this authorization were to enable a systematic and scientifically sound approach to the R&D effort, to permit wider and more systematic review of potential intelligence applications, and to assess foreign developments in this area.” It was taken serious enough to be funded for two decades starting in the 70s. Eventually it was terminated when the strategic pressure eased. AIR was commissioned to look at the research and says in this [1] “A three-component program involving basic research, operations, and foreign assessment has been in place for some time… beginning in the 1970s, it has conducted a program intended to investigate the application of one paranormal phenomenon — remote viewing, or the ability to describe locations one has not visited.” “The AIR review found that remote viewing produced occasional hits that were statistically better than chance, but it remains unclear whether the observed effects can unambiguously be attributed to paranormal phenomena, and the laboratory conditions under which effects were seen do not generalize to real intelligence problems. The information provided by remote viewing was judged vague and ambiguous, making it difficult or impossible for the technique to yield information of sufficient quality and accuracy for actionable intelligence.” 1. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R0002001...
- franky47 9mo agoDisappointing they didn't have their research facility in Cheyenne Mountain.
- jjk166 9mo agoProbably for the best, that place is dealing with weird alien phenomena like every week.
- noworld 9mo agoI always thought this was interesting. May 15, 1987: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R001700010001-2.pdf https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R0017000... May 17, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident
- FuturisticLover 9mo agoThis is so shocking, considering the similarities. Reality is indeed stranger than fiction.
- namanyayg 9mo agoWhat does the first pdf mean? (And does it remind anyone else of an ee cummings poem or is it just me)
- finalarbiter 9mo agoThe first PDF is the results/notes of someone attempting remote viewing. Given the dates, I agree with the above poster that the similarities are impressive.
- the_af 9mo agoThe PDF mentions a ship and some sort of unexpected catastrophe (in vague surrounding, horoscope-like terms) but it also mentions "high-powered lasers", Bikini atoll, H-bombs, and the drawings of the alleged ship superstructure look nothing like those of the USS Stark (some of the notes mention a "flight deck" like an aircraft carrier's; while the USS Stark does have a flight deck this is a mostly irrelevant detail about this class of ships). Plus this was done for the CIA, so unsurprisingly any "viewing" would be primed to refer to military hardware and events; imagine if they mentioned McDonald's, ice-cream, and an upcoming football match. If you exclude H-Bomb, high powered laser, disregard the shapes don't match the USS Stark, and fixate on the coincidences -- pattern-matching, something the human brain has evolved for survival -- of course the similarities will seem impressive. This is "cold reading 101", a known trick. The average tarot reader knows how to do this. Interestingly, we don't know of any other predictions that widely missed the mark. So if predictions 1 to 10 were made, most wildly inaccurate, but one of them vaguely/partially resembles something that happened some days after, that's not convincing to demonstrate anything but a random result. Let's say another prediction stated "calm waters, US dominance, safe passage, successful mission, happy sailors". How would we assess the accuracy of the predictive method?
- mberning 9mo agoI am amazed that people take Hal Puthoff at his word that he has worked on all these secret projects for decades even though he cannot describe in definitive terms what the actual outcomes of those programs were. But he is able to talk about them for hours in the vaguest terms possible. How is that even possible. I mean I worked for an aerospace company for 5 years and could go into great and boring detail about what I did while I was there. But all these people supposedly worked on things much more exotic and can’t remember anything. This is the greatest psyop of all time.
- tiku 9mo agoAlso it would be very easy to proof that it really works. Instead they remain vague. They remind me of the dropship sales boys, that mainly sell courses on how to dropship instead of dropshipping themselves. If you find a believer they will worship you with no hard questions.
- Simon_O_Rourke 9mo ago> I am amazed that people take Hal Puthoff at his word that he has worked on all these secret projects for decades even though he cannot describe in definitive terms what the actual outcomes of those programs were. This is one hundred perfect my view on this, and things are more than suspicious when suddenly being asked to get into the weeds on some technical aspect these guys start citing national security to keep things vague.
- lijok 9mo agoWhy is it surprising that they can’t talk about it in concrete terms given “ all these people supposedly worked on things much more exotic”?
- the_af 9mo agoBecause talk is cheap, but when pressed, a crackpot like Puthoff cannot provide a single relevant detail. Had he been involved in actual top secret projects, he would shut up about them; instead he fantasizes. He also has a history of quackery, belief in the paranormal, and being duped by Uri Geller. I mean, he's the worst kind of crackpot: a sucker who believes magic tricks are real and will evangelize about it.
- diogenes_atx 9mo agoNo surprise here. The geniuses at the CIA failed to anticipate the fall of the Soviet Union, ignored the warning signs about 9/11, and falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003. Apparently the so-called intelligence agency was busy with important research on "telepathy," "psychokinesis" and other "para-psychological phenomena."
- logicchains 9mo ago>falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003 This was due to malice not ignorance/incompetence.
- diogenes_atx 9mo agoWell in that case, the CIA is not merely stupid and incompetent, it's deliberately evil. How many innocent civilians were slaughtered in Iraq during the American occupation?
- m4ck_ 9mo agoI mean yeah, that's the Americas in general since Europeans first put eyes on it. ~500 years of brutality and slaughter in pursuit of profit. We're gonna do it again in Venezuela and probably Denmark/Greenland. C'est la vie
- cushychicken 9mo agoIt's only dumb if it doesn't work. If it works... well, congratulations. You now have an edge that no one else knows about.
- sxp 9mo agoFor those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the standard strategy of every hedge fund. Remember that theses are groups who pay millions for millisecond advantages in information. And you only need an ~51-55% success rate to make a killing in HFT (vs a 50% success rate from a coinflip). The fact that hedge funds don't have remote viewers on staff is evidence against RV providing utility greater than an RNG. And for curious people who want to try a scientific approach, I suggest joining https://www.social-rv.com/ https://www.social-rv.com/ which is collecting data about RV and trying to make the experiment ironclad via blockchain authentication of predictions.
- lofaszvanitt 9mo agoOr certain knowledge is just not available for anyone. No matter how much power and money you have. There are a lot of areas that are buried underneath technology, while it is an innate ability to certain individuals. Most people do not really understand how their gadgets work or what they are capable of beyond what is advertised....
- LargoLasskhyfv 9mo agoThat, and psyops to saturate the channel, because it's considered a 'born secret', falling under the 'invention secrecy act' or equivalents elsewhere for reasons. And lastly simple inability by most to perceive that, and other ESP/Psi stuff, maybe akin to so called aphantasia for people who can't visually imagine things. Edit: Also Weapons of Class Disruption. Can't have that, ever.
- pmontra 9mo agoHedge funds? Yes but before than that, armies would use RV to get targets, secrets, etc. There are plenty of wars around the world and a lot of money involved.
- someothherguyy 9mo agohttps://centerforinquiry.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/1996/03/22165045/p24.pdf https://centerforinquiry.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads...
- stevenhuang 9mo agoHis analysis is flawed. > Despite Professor Hyman's continued protests about parapsychology lacking repeatability, I have never seen a skeptic attempt to perform an experiment with enough trials to even come close to insuring success. The parapsychologists who have recently been willing to take on this challenge have indeed found success in their experiments, as described in my original report. If the phenomenon we are trying to study is somehow intelligent, then the observer effect will see to it that skeptics will never progress towards understanding until they're somehow "ready", whatever that means. https://ics.uci.edu/~jutts/response.html https://ics.uci.edu/~jutts/response.html
- someothherguyy 9mo agoShe also says " There is little benefit in continuing experiments designed to offer proof, since there is little more to be offered to anyone who does not accept the current collection of data. " Which is an insane thing to say and reveals her motivated reasoning.
- stevenhuang 9mo agoThe results have been collected using experimental rigour stricter than medical trials. The one's engaged in motivated reasoning are skeptics like you and Randy who refuse to engage with the data because of, ironically, motivated reasoning. The data is clear. Either point out the flaws in the experimental protocols or consider you have some metaphysical priors to update.
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- escanda 9mo agoI am from Spain and know some agents. Those are also known events under the freemasonry term umbrella. I have seen, after writing through Tor to a known intelligence agency, a ministry of a cabinet through my inner eye, or whatever you may call it. Black and white video so to speak. I was even threatened by a twice loaded gun so I could go away to my own businesses in that affair. I can talk without being in the same room with a lot of cni agents, and interestingly, this is not a known fact of the intelligence community outside it. I can even receive and transmit figures using my mind alone. Tested with a CIA agent. Greets to the spy museum series. I would predict in the past, a year ago or so, a future event seen as it was filmed. Also diverted pathways in the past: if I could have went into the foreign legion I could be dead at the time and my mother could had defenestrated herself after being noticed by two officers: movie style too. Sometimes I have listened to people thoughts, small phrases without them noticing. Disclaimer: I am not on any agency payroll at this time.
- sph 9mo agoGiven that you yourself have admitted you have schizophrenia in a recent comment, I find it hard to give much weight to your “paranormal” experiences. Confirmation bias affects all, those that can hear voices and those that can’t. I hope you understand.
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- escanda 9mo agoI understand you might be 19 years old and you might not yet understand fully what surrounds you. Better you don't.
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- t1234s 9mo agoThis is an excellent book that cover how wild this project was (website has incorrect url slug): https://www.anniejacobsen.com/operation-paperclip-1 https://www.anniejacobsen.com/operation-paperclip-1
- CactusBlue 9mo agoAlso (potentially) related?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_LLC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_LLC
- 1970-01-01 9mo agoRelated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgwLSuF8vXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgwLSuF8vXg
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- westmeal 9mo ago2 million for this bullshit but we can't feed everyone got it