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Big vibe shift against AI right now among all the non-tech people I know (and some of the tech people). Ignoring this reaction and saying "it's inevitable/you'r

Big vibe shift against AI right now among all the non-tech people I know (and some of the tech people). Ignoring this reaction and saying "it's inevitable/you're luddites" (as I'm seeing in this thread) is not going to help the PR situation

mold_aid 10mo ago
Yeah I also like the "And yet other technologies also use water, hmmm, curious" responses
Kiro 10mo ago
I'm seeing the opposite in the gaming community. People seem tired of the anti AI witch hunts and accusations after the recent Larian and Clair Obscur debacles. A lot more "if the end result is good I don't care", "the cat is out of the bag", "all devs are using AI" and "there's a difference between AI and AI" than just a couple of months ago.
- undeveloper 10mo ago
  Strange, I feel anti ai sentiment is kicking up like crazy due to ram prices.
  - user34283 10mo ago
    Seems to be mostly teenagers. Working adults probably have better things to do than rant online about AI all day because of a $300 surcharge on 64 GB DDR5 right now.
    - fzeroracer 10mo ago
      I think your head would have to be extremely deeply in the sand to think that. Gamer's Nexus has been doing extensive and well researched videos on the results of ram prices skyrocketing and other computing parts becoming inaccessibly expensive And it isn't a $300 surcharge on DDR5. The ram I bought in August (2x16gb DDR5) cost me $90. That same product crept up to around 200+ when I last checked a month or two ago, and is now either out of stock or $400+.
    - undeveloper 10mo ago
      Most online "gamers" are teens or college students, just by nature of demographics. I feel like people who pay for their own RAM (likely 18 or older) would be more likely to feel this
  - Kiro 10mo ago
    That's part of the already established anti AI sentiment that has been dominating gaming. "Another thing AI destroys". It's the status quo, so not a vibe shift.
- aiahs 10mo ago
  I think this is, because the accusations make it seem like Clair Obscur is completely AI generated, when in reality it was used for a few placeholder assets. Stuff like the Indie Awards disqualifying Clair Obscur not on merit but on this teeny tiny usage of AI just sits wrong with a lot of people, me included. In particular if Clair Obscur embodies the opposite of AI slop for me, incredible world building and story, not generated, but created by people with a vision and passion. Music which is completely original composition, recorded by an orchestra. I share a lot of the anti AI sentiment, in regards to stuff like blog Spam, cheap n8n prompt to fully generated YouTube video Pipelines, and companies shoving AI into everything where it doesn't need to be, but purists are harming their own cause if they go after stuff like Clair Obscur, because it's the furthest thing from AI slop imaginable.
  - simoncion 10mo ago
    > Stuff like the Indie Awards disqualifying Clair Obscur not on merit but on this teeny tiny usage of AI just sits wrong with a lot of people, me included. From the "What are the criteria for eligibility and nomination?" section of the "Game Eligibility" tab of the Indie Game Awards' FAQ: [0] > Games developed using generative AI are strictly ineligible for nomination. It's not about a "teeny tiny usage of AI", it's about the fact that the organizer of the awards ceremony excluded games that used any generative AI. The Clair Obscur used generative AI in their game. That disqualifies their game from consideration. You could argue that generative AI usage shouldn't be disqualifying... but the folks who made the rules decided that it was. So, the folks who broke those rules were disqualified. Simple as. [0] <https://www.indiegameawards.gg/faq https://www.indiegameawards.gg/faq>
    - aiahs 10mo ago
      Yeah sure they're free to set the rule for their award show however they like, but I think going with a name like the "Indie Awards", kinda signals to the outside, that they wanna be taken seriously and like an authority on indie games. In my opinion, by adding clearly ideologically motivated rules (because let's be honest, something like E33 isn't a worse game due to their very small usage of AI), they'll just achieve, that they won't be taken seriously in the future. I know I won't take their award seriously, and I don't think I'm the only one. They're free to define their rules however they want, I'm free to disagree on the validity of those rules, and the broader community sentiment will decide whether these awards are worth anything.
- jayd16 10mo ago
  You're confusing the final stage of grief with actually liking it.
- trinsic2 10mo ago
  Yeah that's laughable. There is a huge movement of gamers that want this shit to stop. stopkillinggames is one.
AnimalMuppet 10mo ago
You can call me a luddite if you want. Or you might call me a humanist, in a very specific sense - and not the sense of the normal definition of the word. When I go to the grocery store, I prefer to go through the checkout lines, rather than the scan-it-yourself lines. Yeah, I pay the same amount of money. Yeah, I may get through the scan-it-yourself line faster. But the checker can smile at me. Or whine with me about the weather. Look, I'm an introvert. I spend a lot of my time wanting people to go away and leave me alone. But I love little, short moments of human connection - when you connect with someone not as someone checking your groceries, but as someone. I may get that with the checker, depending on how tired they are, but I'm guaranteed not to get it with the self-checkout machine. An email from an AI is the same. Yeah, it put words on the paper. But there's nobody there, and it comes through somehow. There's no heart in in. AI may be a useful technology. I still don't want to talk to it.
- SoftTalker 10mo ago
  When the self checkout machine gets confused, as it frequently does, and needs a human to intervene, you get a little bit of connection there. You can both gripe about how stupid the machines are.
  - layer8 10mo ago
    So, the benefit of GenAI is that it creates human connection by everyone collectively bitching about it?
    - joquarky 10mo ago
      I've observed on many occasions that complaining seems to be the primary go-to ad-hoc subject in spontaneous human interactions in the past decade.
      - layer8 10mo ago
        I mean, there is a lot to complain about.
mdavidn 10mo ago
This holiday season, hearing my parents rant about AI features unnaturally forced onto their daily gadgets warmed my heart.
- ewoodrich 10mo ago
  Hah, I was listening to a similar conversation that began with family members working in the school system complaining about AI slop that began (relatively) harmlessly in day-to-day email conversations padded with time wasting filler but now has trickled down into "professional" education materials and even textbooks. Which led to a lot of agreement and rants from others with frustrating stories about their specific workplaces and how it just keeps getting worse by the day. Previously these conversations just popped up among me and the handful of family in tech but clearly now has much broader resonance. As can be observed in my comment history, I use LLM agentic tools for software dev at work and on my personal projects (really my only AI use case) but cringe whenever I encounter "workslop" as it almost invariably serves to waste my time. My company has been doing a large pilot of 365 Copilot but I have yet to find anything useful, the email writing tools just seems to strip out my personal voice making me sound like I'm writing unsolicited marketing spam. Every single time I've been using some Microsoft product and think "Hmm, wait maybe the Copilot button could actually be useful here?", it just tells me it can't help or gives me a link to a generic help page. It's like Microsoft deliberately engineered 365 Copilot to be as unhelpful as possible while simultaneously putting a Copilot button on every single visible surface imaginable. The only tool that actually does something is designed to ruin emails by stripping out personal tone/voice and introducing ambiguity to waste the other person's time. Awesome, thanks for the productivity boost, Microsoft!
observationist 10mo ago
Fortunately, the PR situation will handle itself. Someone will create a superhuman persuasion engine, AGI will handle it itself, and/or those who don't adapt will fade away into irrelevance. You either surf this wave or get drowned by it, and a whole lot of people seem to think throwing tantrums is the appropriate response. Figure out how to surf, and fast. You don't even need to be good, you just have to stay on the board.
- n8cpdx 10mo ago
  Why not just quit work and wait for AGI to lead to UBI? Obviously, right after chatGPT solves climate change, it will put all humans out of work as next step, and then the superintelligence will solve that problem one way or another. People read too much sci-fi, I hope you just forgot your /s.
- techblueberry 10mo ago
  This is cope.
- jayd16 10mo ago
  This doesn't even make sense even if you believe it. Why wouldn't both sides of any argument use "a superhuman persuasion engine"?
- trinsic2 10mo ago
  This is a perfect example of cognitive dissidence on the subject. You wont even see the retribution coming. This backlash isn't going to die. Its going to create a divide so large, you are going to look back on this moment and wish you listened to the concern people are having.
- CerryuDu 10mo ago
  > You either surf this wave or get drowned by it I don't think so. Handcrafted everything and organic everything continue to exist; there is demand for them. "Being relegated to a niche" is entirely possible, and that's fine with me.
- array_key_first 10mo ago
bombdailer 10mo ago
Nothing wrong with being a luddite. In time more people will be proud to be luddites, and I can see AI simps becoming the recipients of all the scorn.
dcre 10mo ago
How do you reconcile the sense that there's a vibe shift with the usage numbers: about a billion weekly users of ChatGPT and Gemini and continuing to grow.
- ares623 10mo ago
  It’s a bit cheating though particularly for Gemini. It’s been inserted into something that already had high usage numbers.
  - remus 10mo ago
    It might help you get there faster, but a billion users is still a billion users. Clearly they all find some value in it.
    - ares623 10mo ago
      Again, cheating. There's no off button for the damn things.
      - bdangubic 10mo ago
        how about this one: https://www.levels.fyi/2025/ https://www.levels.fyi/2025/ AI/ML Is Now Core Engineering From niche specialty to one of the largest and highest-paid SWE tracks in 2025 off button or not, money in the bank (pay special attention to highest-paid part… ;) )
        ares623 10mo ago
        No amount of TC is gonna insulate these IC’s that their beloved AI future is promised to bring.
        bdangubic 10mo ago
        the future is already here

mold_aid 10mo ago

Yeah I also like the "And yet other technologies also use water, hmmm, curious" responses

Kiro 10mo ago

I'm seeing the opposite in the gaming community. People seem tired of the anti AI witch hunts and accusations after the recent Larian and Clair Obscur debacles. A lot more "if the end result is good I don't care", "the cat is out of the bag", "all devs are using AI" and "there's a difference between AI and AI" than just a couple of months ago.

undeveloper 10mo ago
Strange, I feel anti ai sentiment is kicking up like crazy due to ram prices.
- user34283 10mo ago
  Seems to be mostly teenagers. Working adults probably have better things to do than rant online about AI all day because of a $300 surcharge on 64 GB DDR5 right now.
  - fzeroracer 10mo ago
    I think your head would have to be extremely deeply in the sand to think that. Gamer's Nexus has been doing extensive and well researched videos on the results of ram prices skyrocketing and other computing parts becoming inaccessibly expensive And it isn't a $300 surcharge on DDR5. The ram I bought in August (2x16gb DDR5) cost me $90. That same product crept up to around 200+ when I last checked a month or two ago, and is now either out of stock or $400+.
  - undeveloper 10mo ago
    Most online "gamers" are teens or college students, just by nature of demographics. I feel like people who pay for their own RAM (likely 18 or older) would be more likely to feel this
- Kiro 10mo ago
  That's part of the already established anti AI sentiment that has been dominating gaming. "Another thing AI destroys". It's the status quo, so not a vibe shift.
aiahs 10mo ago
I think this is, because the accusations make it seem like Clair Obscur is completely AI generated, when in reality it was used for a few placeholder assets. Stuff like the Indie Awards disqualifying Clair Obscur not on merit but on this teeny tiny usage of AI just sits wrong with a lot of people, me included. In particular if Clair Obscur embodies the opposite of AI slop for me, incredible world building and story, not generated, but created by people with a vision and passion. Music which is completely original composition, recorded by an orchestra. I share a lot of the anti AI sentiment, in regards to stuff like blog Spam, cheap n8n prompt to fully generated YouTube video Pipelines, and companies shoving AI into everything where it doesn't need to be, but purists are harming their own cause if they go after stuff like Clair Obscur, because it's the furthest thing from AI slop imaginable.
- simoncion 10mo ago
  > Stuff like the Indie Awards disqualifying Clair Obscur not on merit but on this teeny tiny usage of AI just sits wrong with a lot of people, me included. From the "What are the criteria for eligibility and nomination?" section of the "Game Eligibility" tab of the Indie Game Awards' FAQ: [0] > Games developed using generative AI are strictly ineligible for nomination. It's not about a "teeny tiny usage of AI", it's about the fact that the organizer of the awards ceremony excluded games that used any generative AI. The Clair Obscur used generative AI in their game. That disqualifies their game from consideration. You could argue that generative AI usage shouldn't be disqualifying... but the folks who made the rules decided that it was. So, the folks who broke those rules were disqualified. Simple as. [0] <https://www.indiegameawards.gg/faq https://www.indiegameawards.gg/faq>
  - aiahs 10mo ago
    Yeah sure they're free to set the rule for their award show however they like, but I think going with a name like the "Indie Awards", kinda signals to the outside, that they wanna be taken seriously and like an authority on indie games. In my opinion, by adding clearly ideologically motivated rules (because let's be honest, something like E33 isn't a worse game due to their very small usage of AI), they'll just achieve, that they won't be taken seriously in the future. I know I won't take their award seriously, and I don't think I'm the only one. They're free to define their rules however they want, I'm free to disagree on the validity of those rules, and the broader community sentiment will decide whether these awards are worth anything.
jayd16 10mo ago
You're confusing the final stage of grief with actually liking it.
trinsic2 10mo ago
Yeah that's laughable. There is a huge movement of gamers that want this shit to stop. stopkillinggames is one.

AnimalMuppet 10mo ago

You can call me a luddite if you want. Or you might call me a humanist, in a very specific sense - and not the sense of the normal definition of the word. When I go to the grocery store, I prefer to go through the checkout lines, rather than the scan-it-yourself lines. Yeah, I pay the same amount of money. Yeah, I may get through the scan-it-yourself line faster. But the checker can smile at me. Or whine with me about the weather. Look, I'm an introvert. I spend a lot of my time wanting people to go away and leave me alone. But I love little, short moments of human connection - when you connect with someone not as someone checking your groceries, but as someone. I may get that with the checker, depending on how tired they are, but I'm guaranteed not to get it with the self-checkout machine. An email from an AI is the same. Yeah, it put words on the paper. But there's nobody there, and it comes through somehow. There's no heart in in. AI may be a useful technology. I still don't want to talk to it.

SoftTalker 10mo ago
When the self checkout machine gets confused, as it frequently does, and needs a human to intervene, you get a little bit of connection there. You can both gripe about how stupid the machines are.
- layer8 10mo ago
  So, the benefit of GenAI is that it creates human connection by everyone collectively bitching about it?
  - joquarky 10mo ago
    I've observed on many occasions that complaining seems to be the primary go-to ad-hoc subject in spontaneous human interactions in the past decade.
    - layer8 10mo ago
      I mean, there is a lot to complain about.

mdavidn 10mo ago

This holiday season, hearing my parents rant about AI features unnaturally forced onto their daily gadgets warmed my heart.

ewoodrich 10mo ago
Hah, I was listening to a similar conversation that began with family members working in the school system complaining about AI slop that began (relatively) harmlessly in day-to-day email conversations padded with time wasting filler but now has trickled down into "professional" education materials and even textbooks. Which led to a lot of agreement and rants from others with frustrating stories about their specific workplaces and how it just keeps getting worse by the day. Previously these conversations just popped up among me and the handful of family in tech but clearly now has much broader resonance. As can be observed in my comment history, I use LLM agentic tools for software dev at work and on my personal projects (really my only AI use case) but cringe whenever I encounter "workslop" as it almost invariably serves to waste my time. My company has been doing a large pilot of 365 Copilot but I have yet to find anything useful, the email writing tools just seems to strip out my personal voice making me sound like I'm writing unsolicited marketing spam. Every single time I've been using some Microsoft product and think "Hmm, wait maybe the Copilot button could actually be useful here?", it just tells me it can't help or gives me a link to a generic help page. It's like Microsoft deliberately engineered 365 Copilot to be as unhelpful as possible while simultaneously putting a Copilot button on every single visible surface imaginable. The only tool that actually does something is designed to ruin emails by stripping out personal tone/voice and introducing ambiguity to waste the other person's time. Awesome, thanks for the productivity boost, Microsoft!

observationist 10mo ago

Fortunately, the PR situation will handle itself. Someone will create a superhuman persuasion engine, AGI will handle it itself, and/or those who don't adapt will fade away into irrelevance. You either surf this wave or get drowned by it, and a whole lot of people seem to think throwing tantrums is the appropriate response. Figure out how to surf, and fast. You don't even need to be good, you just have to stay on the board.

n8cpdx 10mo ago
Why not just quit work and wait for AGI to lead to UBI? Obviously, right after chatGPT solves climate change, it will put all humans out of work as next step, and then the superintelligence will solve that problem one way or another. People read too much sci-fi, I hope you just forgot your /s.
techblueberry 10mo ago
This is cope.
jayd16 10mo ago
This doesn't even make sense even if you believe it. Why wouldn't both sides of any argument use "a superhuman persuasion engine"?
trinsic2 10mo ago
This is a perfect example of cognitive dissidence on the subject. You wont even see the retribution coming. This backlash isn't going to die. Its going to create a divide so large, you are going to look back on this moment and wish you listened to the concern people are having.
CerryuDu 10mo ago
> You either surf this wave or get drowned by it I don't think so. Handcrafted everything and organic everything continue to exist; there is demand for them. "Being relegated to a niche" is entirely possible, and that's fine with me.
array_key_first 10mo ago

bombdailer 10mo ago

Nothing wrong with being a luddite. In time more people will be proud to be luddites, and I can see AI simps becoming the recipients of all the scorn.

dcre 10mo ago

How do you reconcile the sense that there's a vibe shift with the usage numbers: about a billion weekly users of ChatGPT and Gemini and continuing to grow.

ares623 10mo ago
It’s a bit cheating though particularly for Gemini. It’s been inserted into something that already had high usage numbers.
- remus 10mo ago
  It might help you get there faster, but a billion users is still a billion users. Clearly they all find some value in it.
  - ares623 10mo ago
    Again, cheating. There's no off button for the damn things.
    - bdangubic 10mo ago
      how about this one: https://www.levels.fyi/2025/ https://www.levels.fyi/2025/ AI/ML Is Now Core Engineering From niche specialty to one of the largest and highest-paid SWE tracks in 2025 off button or not, money in the bank (pay special attention to highest-paid part… ;) )
      - ares623 10mo ago
        No amount of TC is gonna insulate these IC’s that their beloved AI future is promised to bring.
        bdangubic 10mo ago
        the future is already here