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Fahrplan – 39C3

386 points by rurban 10mo ago

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ryukoposting 10mo ago
Should I assume the times on this site are UTC+1?
- Lanedo 10mo ago
  If you see the Opening Ceremony starting at 10:30, then yes.
  - ryukoposting 10mo ago
    Noted, thanks! Will there be recordings? I'd love to watch but it starts at 4 AM for me. Edit: the youtube playlist for 38c3 seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks to whoever is doing that, it must be a pain.
    - svelle 10mo ago
      A lot if not most of the talks will be recorded, yes.
      - smartbit 10mo ago
        All talks will be recorder unless the speaker(s) don’t want it to.
    - lhoff 10mo ago
      Yes. They record almost every talk. You’ll find the relive (unedited recording of the live stream) on https://media.ccc.de https://media.ccc.de and some time later the edited recording also on media.ccc.de and also on YouTube. There also also live translations to English (and some other languages) for talks in german.
    - yk 10mo ago
      Probably. In previous years there were streamdumps available immediately somewhere (though figuring out where took me usually a day or so) and a re-live version on media.ccc.de a bit later. (Usually hours, but from time to time a day or so.)
    - derrida 10mo ago
      > but it starts at 4 AM for me. It ends at 1am their time. The conference itself never stops there are people there around the clock. (I wish I could go!! I went to 28c3 in Berlin and 29c3 in Hamburg they were amazing)
- rurban 10mo ago
  CET, yes
Foxboron 10mo ago
https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 All talks will be live streamed, and right after the talk is done you have a rough cut available instantly under "re-live" you can watch until the final recording is available; https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3/relive https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3/relive The final recording will appear under a day or two after the talk is held: https://media.ccc.de/c/39c3 https://media.ccc.de/c/39c3 EDIT: A different variant of the schedule with better filtering is available here: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/en/schedule https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/en/schedule I should note that some talks will not be recorded, and only available at the congress. These are clearly marked on the congress hub website, but not easily available on the fahrplan view.
- elcapitan 10mo ago
  Ah, the filterable schedule would be even better if you could filter on multiple categories at once. I just want security/hardware/science, and then I would have to constantly switch around, which is worse than looking at the full schedule with the other categories included.
  - Gud 10mo ago
    You can have multiple tabs open.
- _jomo 10mo ago
  I made https://fahrplan.cc https://fahrplan.cc where you can filter the [not] recorded sessions, categories, and titles. I've mostly made it for myself to skip the recorded sessions when on-site and to see what's coming up at the current time of day. It therefore tries to include all the self organized sessions, workshops, meetups, music programs, etc. I've been running it for a few years and people use it for all kinds of use cases, including sitting at home and watching the streams.
  - jonesjohnson 10mo ago
    I like your tool, but the schedule in the "hub" can now also filter for "recorded": https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/de/schedule?mode=list&kind=all&rec=y&set=rn https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/de/schedule?mode=lis...
flawn 10mo ago
I damn love CCC, so excited to be there this year. God bless!
- baobun 10mo ago
  See you there!
abdullahkhalids 10mo ago
I see a lot of great talks whose topic is worth attending. Are there any talks whose speakers are known for their expertise that one should pay attention to?
- seanieb 10mo ago
  Two big names that jump out, the CEO of Signal Meredith Whittaker and Cory Doctorow. They both frequently give thought provoking talks.
- pantalaimon 10mo ago
  stacksmashing is a good bet for sure
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  Personally I'm most excited about "Don’t look up: There are sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites" with Nadia Heninger & Annie Dai. Harald Welte's "ISDN + POTS Telephony at Congress and Camp" covers how they're doing telephone infrastructure at congress/conference itself, and will surely be interesting too: > Just like at this very event (39C3), the last few years a small group of volunteers has delpoyed and operated legacy telephony networks for ISDN (digital) and POTS (analog) services at CCC-camp2023 and 38C3. Anyone on-site can obtain subscriber lines (POTS, ISDN BRI or PRI service) and use them for a variety of services, including telephony, fax machines, modem dial-up into BBSs as well as dial-up internet access and video telephony.
  - immibis 10mo ago
    I've seen this satellite thing before - it's already been published as a paper. https://satcom.sysnet.ucsd.edu/docs/dontlookup_ccs25_fullpaper.pdf https://satcom.sysnet.ucsd.edu/docs/dontlookup_ccs25_fullpap...
- g-mork 10mo ago
  Some of the more "celebrityish" talks tend to be popular by reputation, but content is often reused a lot, e.g. "10 years of Dieselgate" kind of falls into that. Watched the original, and the followup, and I think also the followup-followup, eventually it's worth checking out new topics instead, even though the presenters could not be faulted in any way. All of these looked good to me this year: https://halfnarp.events.ccc.de/#e72b9560a7c729d1b38c93ef18a5437673c1bb4877c2cb2538cf6a577f2165c2 https://halfnarp.events.ccc.de/#e72b9560a7c729d1b38c93ef18a5...
shmeeed 10mo ago
Me and some friends used to attend the CCC some 15-20 years ago. Back then, we just showed up at the entrance on the first day and bought our tickets there. This year we were toying with the idea of going for a revival. But man, did we underestimate how much this event has grown... Tickets in the second presale round were gone within 1-2 seconds. We didn't stand a chance. I feel like we failed the entry exam tbh. Anyways, to everybody who did score a ticket: have phun, and happy hacking!
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  If you still have old friends from those times, ping them and ask if they have any tickets for friends. Most times I've gone, it's been via local/social associations and people I've known from those, only managed to buy a ticket once, but it's short of impossible normally.
- basilikum 10mo ago
  The easy way to get tickets is via local hackspaces that are somewhat (not necessarily formally) associated to the CCC. There is a ticket contingent for people active in and around the wider chaos community that gets distributed via the hackspaces. They all handle things slightly differently, but the way to get tickets is usually to show up at a hackspace once in a while (or knowing someone who is active there) and getting tickets from there in the presale phase. The other guaranteed way for tickets is to volunteer enough as an angel at the Congress the year before to get an angel voucher. But you obviously need a ticket for a Congress in the first place do to that.
- Den_VR 10mo ago
  Since 22C3 I really enjoyed watching online and chatting with a small irc community about it. I had this notion that if I ever lived in Europe I’d go myself. Well for the last three years it seems I haven’t gone - the ticket situation was a shock at first but makes sense. The number of unrecorded talks does feel like it’s gone up though which has been regrettable.
  - immibis 10mo ago
martin_henk 10mo ago
hope to see fefe back on the speaker list at some point in the future <3
- Dilettante_ 10mo ago
  Anyone got any news on his recovery? I was glad to see a new post on his blog this month.
  - shmeeed 10mo ago
    Holy hell, I had missed that post
    - jonesjohnson 10mo ago
      that post made me worry more tbh :(
    - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
      > Holy hell, I had missed that post Here it is: > http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd > http://blog.fefe.de/?mon=202512 http://blog.fefe.de/?mon=202512 (note that https currently does not work).
weinzierl 10mo ago
I made a matrix room for the HNers being there and to prevent polluting this thread. https://matrix.to/#/%23hn-at-39c3%3Arustch.at https://matrix.to/#/%23hn-at-39c3%3Arustch.at
frankzander 10mo ago
From year to year more politics and less interesting stuff.
- MrBuddyCasino 10mo ago
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- okkdev 10mo ago
  Hard to ignore in these times...
- deknos 10mo ago
  again this myth. look at past fahrplans, there was always quite some political stuff. you just agreed with it and therefore it was not inconvenient.
  - jasonvorhe 10mo ago
    So you did a comparative analysis of previous events and there's no indication that there's more politics?
    - DHolzer 10mo ago
      The user had more arguments than just "it's all politics". What level of scrutiny does his statement have to hold up to? Because as far as I am concerned this is not here to find scientific truths.
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slurrpurr 10mo ago
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- pinkgolem 10mo ago
  I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time. There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.
  - frankzander 10mo ago
    this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at least accept certain positions even if it's not your position because otherwise you are silly or something else.
    - pinkgolem 10mo ago
      You might align less with the points brought forward, but the amount of politics has not changed much in my perception.
      - slurrpurr 10mo ago
        The amount of politics may have stayed the same but the topics have definitely shifted
        pinkgolem 10mo ago
        I mean, yes... Topics in politics shift
    - izacus 10mo ago
      I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event. There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 10mo ago
> Shit for Future: turning human shit into a climate solution LOL, never change CCC, never change...
wunderwuzzi23 10mo ago
Excited! It's such a great event. I'm currently on a plane towards Hamburg and will be speaking on Day 2. "Agentic ProbLLMs - Exploiting AI Computer-Use and Coding Agents" https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/event/detail/agentic-probllms-exploiting-ai-computer-use-and-coding-agents https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/event/detail/agentic...
- rasmus1610 10mo ago
  Really enjoyed your talk two years ago :)
pjmlp 10mo ago
As always, lots of cool content.
raymond_goo 10mo ago
First time without fefe :-(
- jonesjohnson 10mo ago
  time to use chaospost to send him a get-well card! :-)
- top_sigrid 10mo ago
  Is there actually anything known to his wellbeing?
  - shmeeed 10mo ago
    https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/114740115067164651 https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/11474011506716... https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/114835440442493488 https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/11483544044249...
  - sunaookami 10mo ago
    He actually made a blogpost on December 6th regarding Warner Bros & Netflix but it's kinda weird: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd Seems like he still needs a lot of time to recover.
- k__ 10mo ago
  Honestly, I'm surprised he's still alive. Hope he gets well soon.
raverbashing 10mo ago
I used to look up to C3 but honestly not anymore Too much naive activism and I'm not sure what importing more of the 3rd world has to do with C3 honestly
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0mert 10mo ago
Are there any streams working? https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 says 'has not started yet'.
- jonesjohnson 10mo ago
  it's because the congress has literally not started yet. opening is tomorrow 10h30 CET
- Timwi 10mo ago
  That's because it hasn't. You wrote this on Dec 26, the event starts on Dec 27, 9:30 UTC.
user764743 10mo ago
I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a constitutional convention.
- aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
  I get your arguments. In my opinion the core of the problem is that a lot of the "political" taks are about political topics that are outside the core of the kind of politics (?) that are related to hacking. These talks are what people are complaining about as "too much politics".
  - user764743 10mo ago
    That's fine but technology doesn't exist in a vacuum, you can't talk about (for example) facial recognition technology without mentioning the social groups it affects the most or is used against. Same for plenty of others topics directly or indirectly related to hacking and computers. If you look at the history of the CCC, they also don't see a line between technical freedom and social freedom, because you can't have a free internet in an unfree society. The 'outside' topics you mention are often just the hackers' way of applying their methodology to the world beyond the screen. Society is a larger system with its own bugs and exploits that inevitably affect the computers you use and the code that run them, and hackers like to apply their methodology to analyze that to understand the consequences. Moreover, if you actually want meritocracy, you have to address the social barriers that keep people out of the room, and you can't do that without addressing the outside world.
    - f1shy 10mo ago
      Take this as example: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...
tmsbrg 10mo ago
Some talks which sound really brilliant. I love [0] exploiting a memory leak for years before it's fixed. Also [1] I'm really curious about the custom crypto used in Chinese apps. Oh and curious about the found [2] GPG vulnerabilities. I think some of the politics ones are actually also very interesting. Looking forward to the streams. [0] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/a-tale-of-two-leaks-how-hackers-breached-the-great https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... [1] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/protecting-the-network-data-of-one-billion-people-breaking-network-crypto-in-popular-chinese-mobile-apps https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... [2] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/to-sign-or-not-to-sign-practical-vulnerabilities-i https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...
- belter 10mo ago
  The first one is indeed fascinating...almost deserving of its HN post :-) It has been submitted six times in the last 10 months, with a grand total of 1 comment...I though this site had Hacker in the title... https://hn.algolia.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgfw.report%2Fpublications%2Fndss25%2Fen%2F https://hn.algolia.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgfw.report%2Fpublica...
  - immibis 10mo ago
    Common misconception. HN uses "hacker" as in "the people who do the work that makes Y Combinator rich" rather than "someone who plays with technology". HN hackers are contrasted with CEOs and so on - people whose job is not the on-the-ground work.
    - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
      > HN uses "hacker" as in "the people who do the work that makes Y Combinator rich" rather than "someone who plays with technology" I do believe that originally Y Combinator indeed did celebrate the people who play with technology, but I guess over the many years the focus has shifted.
nubinetwork 10mo ago
Lots of ai this year, but I didn't happen to see a console hacking segment this year.
petterroea 10mo ago
Going to CCC changed my life last year and really opened up my eyes. So sad I'm not able to attend this year, but hoping I am able to return soon. Anyone who understands why technology cannot be viewed in a vacuum without considering the humans who use it will fit in immediately. Do yourself a favor and go.
- Tepix 10mo ago
  If you can't make it to Congress go to one of the hacker camps in the summer.
  - petterroea 10mo ago
    I was at WHY and it was even better!
- aspect0545 10mo ago
  I’ve been thinking about going for years. What specifically was life changing for you?
  - petterroea 10mo ago
    I only watched two talks. Talks are not why you go to CCC, in my opinion. I spent most of CCC talking. I tried to have some projects, but I just got stuck in conversation all the time. CCC was to me the first time I had ever been to a place where most people were like minded. I have been searching for a place where I can meet likeminded people for many years, that wasn't online chatrooms. Once I got there, there was an almost immediate "wow this is my crowd". It does help to have friends that are somewhat networked and can show you the way and introduce you to people though, as many just sit and hang out with their usual crowd. For me, I ended up talking to a lot of the guys from the same country. I also hung out with internet friends and met their friends. It was great.
nticompass 10mo ago
I went to DEF CON one year and loved it. One day, I'd love to go to CCC!
th0ma5 10mo ago
Anyone have a schedule that works for different Timezones ??
ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
Uncertain if this is OT, but given that the CCC is politically inspired organization, I hope not: One thing that still seems absent is awareness of the complete takeover of "gadgets" in schools. Schools these days, as early as primary school, shove screens in front of children. They're expected to look at them, and "use" them for various activities, including practicing handwriting. I wish I was joking [1]. I see two problems with this. First is that these devices are engineered to be addictive by way of constant notifications/distractions, and learning is something that requires long sustained focus. There's a lot of data showing that under certain common circumstances, you do worse learning from a screen than from paper. Second is implicitly it trains children to expect that anything has to be done through a screen connected to a closed point-and-click platform. (Uninformed) people will say "people who work with computers make money, so I want my child to have an ipad". But interacting with a closed platform like an ipad is removing the possibilities and putting the interaction "on rails". You don't learn to think, explore and learn from mistakes, instead you learn to use the app that's put in front of you. This in turn reinforces the "computer says no" [2] approach to understanding the world. I think this is a matter of civil rights and freedom, but sadly I don't often see "civil rights" organizations talk about this. I think I heard Stallman say something along these lines once, but other than that I don't see campaigns anywhere. [1] https://www.letterjoin.co.uk/ https://www.letterjoin.co.uk/ [2] https://youtu.be/eE9vO-DTNZc https://youtu.be/eE9vO-DTNZc
- aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
  The C3's attendees are quite knowledgable in computing topics, so there is no need to bring coals to Newcastle. The CCC is a German organization. In Germany, the general public already is quite skepctical of tablets in classrooms, so there is not such a necessity to inform the general public of something many people already think. While there exist initiatives to use tablets in school in Germany (see for example [1]), these (in my opinion misguided) initiatives rather typically fail for financial reasons and because most teachers simply are incapable of using the technology. And, of course, tablets fail all the time. So, in other countries this may be an important problem, but in Germany, any initiative for tablets in school already fails by the mere incompetence and the mills of bureacracy, so this is rather a potential topic for hacker conventions in other countries. [1] https://www.heise.de/news/Schuelertablets-in-Niedersachsen-Mehr-als-nur-Leihgeraete-geplant-11120744.html https://www.heise.de/news/Schuelertablets-in-Niedersachsen-M...
jstrebel 10mo ago
Lefties sympathizing with criminals, sharing their wealth distribution fantasies, agitating against competing political views. You've come a long way, CCC! The initial ideas was political, but with a clear focus on freedom of information, and the power to govern your own personal data.

Fahrplan – 39C3

386 points by rurban 10mo ago

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ryukoposting 10mo ago

Should I assume the times on this site are UTC+1?

Lanedo 10mo ago
If you see the Opening Ceremony starting at 10:30, then yes.
- ryukoposting 10mo ago
  Noted, thanks! Will there be recordings? I'd love to watch but it starts at 4 AM for me. Edit: the youtube playlist for 38c3 seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks to whoever is doing that, it must be a pain.
  - svelle 10mo ago
    A lot if not most of the talks will be recorded, yes.
    - smartbit 10mo ago
      All talks will be recorder unless the speaker(s) don’t want it to.
  - lhoff 10mo ago
    Yes. They record almost every talk. You’ll find the relive (unedited recording of the live stream) on https://media.ccc.de https://media.ccc.de and some time later the edited recording also on media.ccc.de and also on YouTube. There also also live translations to English (and some other languages) for talks in german.
  - yk 10mo ago
    Probably. In previous years there were streamdumps available immediately somewhere (though figuring out where took me usually a day or so) and a re-live version on media.ccc.de a bit later. (Usually hours, but from time to time a day or so.)
  - derrida 10mo ago
    > but it starts at 4 AM for me. It ends at 1am their time. The conference itself never stops there are people there around the clock. (I wish I could go!! I went to 28c3 in Berlin and 29c3 in Hamburg they were amazing)
rurban 10mo ago
CET, yes

Foxboron 10mo ago

https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 All talks will be live streamed, and right after the talk is done you have a rough cut available instantly under "re-live" you can watch until the final recording is available; https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3/relive https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3/relive The final recording will appear under a day or two after the talk is held: https://media.ccc.de/c/39c3 https://media.ccc.de/c/39c3 EDIT: A different variant of the schedule with better filtering is available here: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/en/schedule https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/en/schedule I should note that some talks will not be recorded, and only available at the congress. These are clearly marked on the congress hub website, but not easily available on the fahrplan view.

elcapitan 10mo ago
Ah, the filterable schedule would be even better if you could filter on multiple categories at once. I just want security/hardware/science, and then I would have to constantly switch around, which is worse than looking at the full schedule with the other categories included.
- Gud 10mo ago
  You can have multiple tabs open.
_jomo 10mo ago
I made https://fahrplan.cc https://fahrplan.cc where you can filter the [not] recorded sessions, categories, and titles. I've mostly made it for myself to skip the recorded sessions when on-site and to see what's coming up at the current time of day. It therefore tries to include all the self organized sessions, workshops, meetups, music programs, etc. I've been running it for a few years and people use it for all kinds of use cases, including sitting at home and watching the streams.
- jonesjohnson 10mo ago
  I like your tool, but the schedule in the "hub" can now also filter for "recorded": https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/de/schedule?mode=list&kind=all&rec=y&set=rn https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/de/schedule?mode=lis...

flawn 10mo ago

I damn love CCC, so excited to be there this year. God bless!

baobun 10mo ago
See you there!

abdullahkhalids 10mo ago

I see a lot of great talks whose topic is worth attending. Are there any talks whose speakers are known for their expertise that one should pay attention to?

seanieb 10mo ago
Two big names that jump out, the CEO of Signal Meredith Whittaker and Cory Doctorow. They both frequently give thought provoking talks.
pantalaimon 10mo ago
stacksmashing is a good bet for sure
embedding-shape 10mo ago
Personally I'm most excited about "Don’t look up: There are sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites" with Nadia Heninger & Annie Dai. Harald Welte's "ISDN + POTS Telephony at Congress and Camp" covers how they're doing telephone infrastructure at congress/conference itself, and will surely be interesting too: > Just like at this very event (39C3), the last few years a small group of volunteers has delpoyed and operated legacy telephony networks for ISDN (digital) and POTS (analog) services at CCC-camp2023 and 38C3. Anyone on-site can obtain subscriber lines (POTS, ISDN BRI or PRI service) and use them for a variety of services, including telephony, fax machines, modem dial-up into BBSs as well as dial-up internet access and video telephony.
- immibis 10mo ago
  I've seen this satellite thing before - it's already been published as a paper. https://satcom.sysnet.ucsd.edu/docs/dontlookup_ccs25_fullpaper.pdf https://satcom.sysnet.ucsd.edu/docs/dontlookup_ccs25_fullpap...
g-mork 10mo ago
Some of the more "celebrityish" talks tend to be popular by reputation, but content is often reused a lot, e.g. "10 years of Dieselgate" kind of falls into that. Watched the original, and the followup, and I think also the followup-followup, eventually it's worth checking out new topics instead, even though the presenters could not be faulted in any way. All of these looked good to me this year: https://halfnarp.events.ccc.de/#e72b9560a7c729d1b38c93ef18a5437673c1bb4877c2cb2538cf6a577f2165c2 https://halfnarp.events.ccc.de/#e72b9560a7c729d1b38c93ef18a5...

shmeeed 10mo ago

Me and some friends used to attend the CCC some 15-20 years ago. Back then, we just showed up at the entrance on the first day and bought our tickets there. This year we were toying with the idea of going for a revival. But man, did we underestimate how much this event has grown... Tickets in the second presale round were gone within 1-2 seconds. We didn't stand a chance. I feel like we failed the entry exam tbh. Anyways, to everybody who did score a ticket: have phun, and happy hacking!

embedding-shape 10mo ago
If you still have old friends from those times, ping them and ask if they have any tickets for friends. Most times I've gone, it's been via local/social associations and people I've known from those, only managed to buy a ticket once, but it's short of impossible normally.
basilikum 10mo ago
The easy way to get tickets is via local hackspaces that are somewhat (not necessarily formally) associated to the CCC. There is a ticket contingent for people active in and around the wider chaos community that gets distributed via the hackspaces. They all handle things slightly differently, but the way to get tickets is usually to show up at a hackspace once in a while (or knowing someone who is active there) and getting tickets from there in the presale phase. The other guaranteed way for tickets is to volunteer enough as an angel at the Congress the year before to get an angel voucher. But you obviously need a ticket for a Congress in the first place do to that.
Den_VR 10mo ago
Since 22C3 I really enjoyed watching online and chatting with a small irc community about it. I had this notion that if I ever lived in Europe I’d go myself. Well for the last three years it seems I haven’t gone - the ticket situation was a shock at first but makes sense. The number of unrecorded talks does feel like it’s gone up though which has been regrettable.
- immibis 10mo ago

martin_henk 10mo ago

hope to see fefe back on the speaker list at some point in the future <3

Dilettante_ 10mo ago
Anyone got any news on his recovery? I was glad to see a new post on his blog this month.
- shmeeed 10mo ago
  Holy hell, I had missed that post
  - jonesjohnson 10mo ago
    that post made me worry more tbh :(
  - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
    > Holy hell, I had missed that post Here it is: > http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd > http://blog.fefe.de/?mon=202512 http://blog.fefe.de/?mon=202512 (note that https currently does not work).

weinzierl 10mo ago

I made a matrix room for the HNers being there and to prevent polluting this thread. https://matrix.to/#/%23hn-at-39c3%3Arustch.at https://matrix.to/#/%23hn-at-39c3%3Arustch.at

frankzander 10mo ago

From year to year more politics and less interesting stuff.

MrBuddyCasino 10mo ago
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- deknos 10mo ago
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- mnewme 10mo ago
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okkdev 10mo ago
Hard to ignore in these times...
deknos 10mo ago
again this myth. look at past fahrplans, there was always quite some political stuff. you just agreed with it and therefore it was not inconvenient.
- jasonvorhe 10mo ago
  So you did a comparative analysis of previous events and there's no indication that there's more politics?
  - DHolzer 10mo ago
    The user had more arguments than just "it's all politics". What level of scrutiny does his statement have to hold up to? Because as far as I am concerned this is not here to find scientific truths.
    - jasonvorhe 10mo ago

slurrpurr 10mo ago

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pinkgolem 10mo ago
I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time. There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.
- frankzander 10mo ago
  this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at least accept certain positions even if it's not your position because otherwise you are silly or something else.
  - pinkgolem 10mo ago
    You might align less with the points brought forward, but the amount of politics has not changed much in my perception.
    - slurrpurr 10mo ago
      The amount of politics may have stayed the same but the topics have definitely shifted
      - pinkgolem 10mo ago
        I mean, yes... Topics in politics shift
  - izacus 10mo ago
    I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event. There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 10mo ago

> Shit for Future: turning human shit into a climate solution LOL, never change CCC, never change...

wunderwuzzi23 10mo ago

Excited! It's such a great event. I'm currently on a plane towards Hamburg and will be speaking on Day 2. "Agentic ProbLLMs - Exploiting AI Computer-Use and Coding Agents" https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/event/detail/agentic-probllms-exploiting-ai-computer-use-and-coding-agents https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/event/detail/agentic...

rasmus1610 10mo ago
Really enjoyed your talk two years ago :)

pjmlp 10mo ago

As always, lots of cool content.

raymond_goo 10mo ago

First time without fefe :-(

jonesjohnson 10mo ago
time to use chaospost to send him a get-well card! :-)
top_sigrid 10mo ago
Is there actually anything known to his wellbeing?
- shmeeed 10mo ago
  https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/114740115067164651 https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/11474011506716... https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/114835440442493488 https://mastodon.social/@oec@infosec.exchange/11483544044249...
- sunaookami 10mo ago
  He actually made a blogpost on December 6th regarding Warner Bros & Netflix but it's kinda weird: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd Seems like he still needs a lot of time to recover.
k__ 10mo ago
Honestly, I'm surprised he's still alive. Hope he gets well soon.

raverbashing 10mo ago

I used to look up to C3 but honestly not anymore Too much naive activism and I'm not sure what importing more of the 3rd world has to do with C3 honestly

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0mert 10mo ago

Are there any streams working? https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 https://streaming.media.ccc.de/39c3 says 'has not started yet'.

jonesjohnson 10mo ago
it's because the congress has literally not started yet. opening is tomorrow 10h30 CET
Timwi 10mo ago
That's because it hasn't. You wrote this on Dec 26, the event starts on Dec 27, 9:30 UTC.

user764743 10mo ago

I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a constitutional convention.

aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
I get your arguments. In my opinion the core of the problem is that a lot of the "political" taks are about political topics that are outside the core of the kind of politics (?) that are related to hacking. These talks are what people are complaining about as "too much politics".
- user764743 10mo ago
  That's fine but technology doesn't exist in a vacuum, you can't talk about (for example) facial recognition technology without mentioning the social groups it affects the most or is used against. Same for plenty of others topics directly or indirectly related to hacking and computers. If you look at the history of the CCC, they also don't see a line between technical freedom and social freedom, because you can't have a free internet in an unfree society. The 'outside' topics you mention are often just the hackers' way of applying their methodology to the world beyond the screen. Society is a larger system with its own bugs and exploits that inevitably affect the computers you use and the code that run them, and hackers like to apply their methodology to analyze that to understand the consequences. Moreover, if you actually want meritocracy, you have to address the social barriers that keep people out of the room, and you can't do that without addressing the outside world.
  - f1shy 10mo ago
    Take this as example: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

tmsbrg 10mo ago

Some talks which sound really brilliant. I love [0] exploiting a memory leak for years before it's fixed. Also [1] I'm really curious about the custom crypto used in Chinese apps. Oh and curious about the found [2] GPG vulnerabilities. I think some of the politics ones are actually also very interesting. Looking forward to the streams. [0] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/a-tale-of-two-leaks-how-hackers-breached-the-great https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... [1] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/protecting-the-network-data-of-one-billion-people-breaking-network-crypto-in-popular-chinese-mobile-apps https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... [2] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/to-sign-or-not-to-sign-practical-vulnerabilities-i https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

belter 10mo ago
The first one is indeed fascinating...almost deserving of its HN post :-) It has been submitted six times in the last 10 months, with a grand total of 1 comment...I though this site had Hacker in the title... https://hn.algolia.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgfw.report%2Fpublications%2Fndss25%2Fen%2F https://hn.algolia.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgfw.report%2Fpublica...
- immibis 10mo ago
  Common misconception. HN uses "hacker" as in "the people who do the work that makes Y Combinator rich" rather than "someone who plays with technology". HN hackers are contrasted with CEOs and so on - people whose job is not the on-the-ground work.
  - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
    > HN uses "hacker" as in "the people who do the work that makes Y Combinator rich" rather than "someone who plays with technology" I do believe that originally Y Combinator indeed did celebrate the people who play with technology, but I guess over the many years the focus has shifted.

nubinetwork 10mo ago

Lots of ai this year, but I didn't happen to see a console hacking segment this year.

petterroea 10mo ago

Going to CCC changed my life last year and really opened up my eyes. So sad I'm not able to attend this year, but hoping I am able to return soon. Anyone who understands why technology cannot be viewed in a vacuum without considering the humans who use it will fit in immediately. Do yourself a favor and go.

Tepix 10mo ago
If you can't make it to Congress go to one of the hacker camps in the summer.
- petterroea 10mo ago
  I was at WHY and it was even better!
aspect0545 10mo ago
I’ve been thinking about going for years. What specifically was life changing for you?
- petterroea 10mo ago
  I only watched two talks. Talks are not why you go to CCC, in my opinion. I spent most of CCC talking. I tried to have some projects, but I just got stuck in conversation all the time. CCC was to me the first time I had ever been to a place where most people were like minded. I have been searching for a place where I can meet likeminded people for many years, that wasn't online chatrooms. Once I got there, there was an almost immediate "wow this is my crowd". It does help to have friends that are somewhat networked and can show you the way and introduce you to people though, as many just sit and hang out with their usual crowd. For me, I ended up talking to a lot of the guys from the same country. I also hung out with internet friends and met their friends. It was great.

nticompass 10mo ago

I went to DEF CON one year and loved it. One day, I'd love to go to CCC!

th0ma5 10mo ago

Anyone have a schedule that works for different Timezones ??

ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago

Uncertain if this is OT, but given that the CCC is politically inspired organization, I hope not: One thing that still seems absent is awareness of the complete takeover of "gadgets" in schools. Schools these days, as early as primary school, shove screens in front of children. They're expected to look at them, and "use" them for various activities, including practicing handwriting. I wish I was joking [1]. I see two problems with this. First is that these devices are engineered to be addictive by way of constant notifications/distractions, and learning is something that requires long sustained focus. There's a lot of data showing that under certain common circumstances, you do worse learning from a screen than from paper. Second is implicitly it trains children to expect that anything has to be done through a screen connected to a closed point-and-click platform. (Uninformed) people will say "people who work with computers make money, so I want my child to have an ipad". But interacting with a closed platform like an ipad is removing the possibilities and putting the interaction "on rails". You don't learn to think, explore and learn from mistakes, instead you learn to use the app that's put in front of you. This in turn reinforces the "computer says no" [2] approach to understanding the world. I think this is a matter of civil rights and freedom, but sadly I don't often see "civil rights" organizations talk about this. I think I heard Stallman say something along these lines once, but other than that I don't see campaigns anywhere. [1] https://www.letterjoin.co.uk/ https://www.letterjoin.co.uk/ [2] https://youtu.be/eE9vO-DTNZc https://youtu.be/eE9vO-DTNZc

aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
The C3's attendees are quite knowledgable in computing topics, so there is no need to bring coals to Newcastle. The CCC is a German organization. In Germany, the general public already is quite skepctical of tablets in classrooms, so there is not such a necessity to inform the general public of something many people already think. While there exist initiatives to use tablets in school in Germany (see for example [1]), these (in my opinion misguided) initiatives rather typically fail for financial reasons and because most teachers simply are incapable of using the technology. And, of course, tablets fail all the time. So, in other countries this may be an important problem, but in Germany, any initiative for tablets in school already fails by the mere incompetence and the mills of bureacracy, so this is rather a potential topic for hacker conventions in other countries. [1] https://www.heise.de/news/Schuelertablets-in-Niedersachsen-Mehr-als-nur-Leihgeraete-geplant-11120744.html https://www.heise.de/news/Schuelertablets-in-Niedersachsen-M...

jstrebel 10mo ago

Lefties sympathizing with criminals, sharing their wealth distribution fantasies, agitating against competing political views. You've come a long way, CCC! The initial ideas was political, but with a clear focus on freedom of information, and the power to govern your own personal data.